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pineapple pete
SILVER Member since Sep 2004

pineapple pete

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Posted:hi everybody.

a little while ago now, rob bluecat showed me a little thing called line isolation. although i was already well aware of this sort of concept with staff, i'd never really considdered playing with it with poi..

so, after a few months of not doing much about it, then a couple of weeks of playing with it lots at brettstars place, i finally made a bit of headway, and produced a small video of the things ive been playing with:

youtube link, here

questions, queries, qualms, thoughts or miscellaneous abuse anyone?

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"you know there are no trophys for doing silly things in real life yeah pete?" said ant "you wont get a 'listened to ride of the valkyries all the way to vietnam' trophy"

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IceAngel
SILVER Member since Nov 2004

IceAngel

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Location: Melbourne, Australia

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Posted:wow! very exciting!
thanks for the lovely diagrams and such in the vid smile


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Mucky
SILVER Member since Apr 2008

Mucky

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Posted:This is what we've been calling sweeps - kind of a cross between an isolation and a stall in some ways. Lots of great stuff to play with here! The video really helps cement the patterns though, so well done, mate! I think anybody planning on doing videos of complex concepts like this should incorporate clubs or sticks of some kind - They're great for teaching because you can really slow it down or even "pause" it.

But yeah, there's a lot of material here with sweeps/line isolations ... Using sock poi you can really make the bodies interact with each other for some funky patterns. Cool stuff!


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Richee
BRONZE Member since Jan 2002

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Location: Prague, Czech. Republic

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Posted:I like this a lot, what I see:

0:18 Trammel
0:56 Trammmel extension.
1:18 Horizontal trammel.
1:40 I saw this somewhere..
1:50 This is dual previous, crazy.
1:58 I'm sceptic about triangles, but I may change mind later..

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There is no name yet for the 1:40 move Petey!

very very nice,

:R

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meshunderlay
BRONZE Member since Sep 2008

meshunderlay

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Posted:Niftyness.

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AlienJon
GOLD Member since Mar 2002

AlienJon

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Posted:The thing at 1:40 is half linear iso, then half linear extension. In the video, Pete moves his arms and body a bit to make space for the poi to come back to wall plane. So his hands trace out a rectangle~ish sort of path.

If you shorten up and do this in buzzsaw you can keep your hands tracing a path that is a vertical line. In this case the line iso part will feel kinda like a deep antispin. If instead you do the line iso so that the poi point towards your chest it will feel like a deep samespin type of move. This stuff is all related to the trochoidal movement in a linear fashion, rather than around a circle.

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Trochoid.html
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Well Zan has mentioned it on his website, so I guess the cat's out of the bag. Zan and I will touch on these types of movement in our upcoming Instructional DVD. cool

-Alien Jon


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pineapple pete
SILVER Member since Sep 2004

pineapple pete

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Posted:i feel i should say that the flower youre talking about at 1:40, is a butterfly 4 petal antispin flower, with the poi and arms in split time, in wall plane, with essentially odd isolation, creating lines.. so its a line isolated antispin flower

right?

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"you know there are no trophys for doing silly things in real life yeah pete?" said ant "you wont get a 'listened to ride of the valkyries all the way to vietnam' trophy"

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Richee
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Location: Prague, Czech. Republic

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Posted:This is demo version!
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Non-Https Image Link


Anti-spin / Paracircle / (vertex..)

Here is a small comparison between full circle
and hlf circle spin.

Line isolation, divide the front plane
into 2 halves.

They are symetric by midline.

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About the third move, this move include
2 positive and 1 negative component.

Similar like paracircle.

For example only Trammel, the first move
is fully negative I think.

Hmm interesting,

:R

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PS: Another great resource 2dcurves.com.


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pineapple pete
SILVER Member since Sep 2004

pineapple pete

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Posted:i dont see what you mean by positive and negative im afraid richee

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Richee
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Posted:This is some strage theory I'm thinking about,
about relation between curves,
how to combine them.

More later, also the move name:

Pete's Madness

smiling,

:R

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bluecat


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Posted:so, yeah, i just call them straight lines now tongue2


nice thoughts pete. but there's lots more. think about where you can use a line to travel to and from... and the possiblilities of making only one poi do the straight line are endless too tongue2


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pineapple pete
SILVER Member since Sep 2004

pineapple pete

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Posted:i was honestly expecting you to chime in at some point rob.. tongue2

ive got lots of time to play now, so i shall smile

maybe you should be more specific with these new possibilities.. like, visually specific.. :nudge:

i like line isolation tongue2

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"you know there are no trophys for doing silly things in real life yeah pete?" said ant "you wont get a 'listened to ride of the valkyries all the way to vietnam' trophy"

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Mireneye
SILVER Member since Oct 2005

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Posted:Isn't there a differance between line isolation and line perfect cateye? Where I think line isolation would be heaps more difficult.

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Richee
BRONZE Member since Jan 2002

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Posted:Stragiht lines, has no isolation first, second cat eye
are two circular objects, where stragiht line has at
least one line object, created by hand or Poi and there
is no isolation in cat eye. Also isn't perfect cat eye,
an isolation?

Very nice thought Bluecat.

off to sleap,

:R

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pineapple pete
SILVER Member since Sep 2004

pineapple pete

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Posted:i think this is a blury area of poi. where one line isolation can be explained by doing a cat eye, but with the end of the poi doing the straight line, rather than the center of the poi, the same thing can be described using a large 2 petal antispin flower..

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"you know there are no trophys for doing silly things in real life yeah pete?" said ant "you wont get a 'listened to ride of the valkyries all the way to vietnam' trophy"

*proud owner of the very cute fire_spinning_angel, birgit and neon shaolin*

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Mother_Natures_Son
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Mother_Natures_Son

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Posted:Yeah.. I started playing with one of the butterfly line isos thinking of it like a point isolated antispin flower. I was trying to replicate antispin with staves or clubs with my poi and it kinda happened.

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AlienJon
GOLD Member since Mar 2002

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Posted:I'll edit more thoughts in later, but for now, hear are some correlations:

Here are 2 examples of using parts of linear isolation in more complex patterns:

Originally Posted By:
Partial use of 'linear isolations' in







Here are simple examples of linear isolations of the poi head:

Originally Posted By:
Base 'linear isolations' of poi head

Base 'linear isolation' of the poi head.
It is analogous to 1-beat staff anti-spin (antispin cross).






Expanded 'linear isolation' of the poi head.
It is the equivalent of a 2-petal flower.







'Linear isolations' have a relationship to 'trammels' and 'cateyes' through proportion in 'poi units'.

Originally Posted By:
'linear isolations', 'trammel', 'cateye', proportion, and 'poi units'

A 'trammel' (Trammel of Archimedes) has a hand path of 1 unit in length. A poi head 'linear isolation' has a hand path of 2 units in length.










A 'cateye' has a circular hand path with a diameter of 1 unit.
A 'cateye' can also be considered an 'expanded trammel'
An 'expanded linear isolation' (of poi head) has a circular hand path with a diameter of 2 units.











-Alien Jon


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Richee
BRONZE Member since Jan 2002

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Location: Prague, Czech. Republic

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Posted:meditate - Valery

Can't resit, can take hours to re-develop few
famous club swinging routines.

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Inspirationall at all.

thx,

:R


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AlienJon
GOLD Member since Mar 2002

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Posted:Yeah, I almost forgot about that Valery video. It's great! If I weren't so lazy I'd take up clubs as well... cuz a lot of the ideas as of late I think would be easier with clubs!

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