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UCOF
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Posted:Well, seeing as we are starting to take over the

"Offical HOP "I just learnt a new move" thread", I thought we should contain this bit just to jugglerisng and the throwing and dropping of balls, clubs, rings and other miscellaneous juggling props.

Today I mothered learning 441.

I had a few throws of 531 but only 1 catch. I think my 5 is too high.

Note for the mods: I DEMAND on behalf of the jugglers on this site, as has been done with the aforementioned "Poi moves thread", that this one is made a sticky thread.

Otherwise its just favouritism really....


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MiKe7


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Posted:Yuss!!!! 4 balls is the bestest. smile

I managed to get one round of 7441 with the 1 btb (into and out of out of fountain) on both sides but I had to do it kneeling down and my 7's still kept hitting the ceiling. frown

Why must it always be wet outside?

I also just managed 3 rounds of 7531 on both sides [with a proper 31 unlike the sorta (2x,2x) thing I was doing before].


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Mother_Natures_Son
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Posted:Thanks for the comment to practice both hands btw, MiKe7.

As a side note I had always tried synch 4 ball not asynch and asynch is so, so, so much easier for me... I thought it'd be harder, but its so much similar to the cascade action.


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aston
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Posted:I am sticking to three for now. Columns are cleaning up, got two in each hand when I want it.

Also mucking about with under the arm throws in cascade.

LH half-shower being annoying still.


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willworkforfoodjnr
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Posted:*Might not be actual juggling!*

I was playing around at the juggling club last night with 2 cigar boxes and a large (4") bounce ball. Some really fun things to be done with that!. Think I'm going to try and work up to the point where I can manipulate 3 balls and 2 boxes mmmmmm.

I'll make a video when I've got some stuff solid smile


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MiKe7


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Posted:Originally Posted By: willworkforfoodjnr3 balls and 2 boxes

NO WAI!!!! shocked

edit: Today I went outside and did lots of proper 97531's from cascade. smile

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willworkforfoodjnr
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Posted:Grrrr no fair, I'm no closer with 97531 than I was a year ago. Maybe I should practice it more...

Managed a few things with the cigar boxes + balls last night:
- 2 balls bounced and caught on the top edge of the boxes in synch
- 1 ball bounched from box to box through the legs in a figure 8 pattern
- A sorta 531. Drop the ball from the RH box (5), throw the boxes to swap em (31), catch ball on LH box. Reckon this could work with 2 balls but not managed it yet.
- Started working on a 'walking roll'. Think the walking halfpipe contact ball trick with cigar boxes

Sooooooooo much fun grin


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animatEd
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Posted:If you're getting into box and ball stuff, Ryan released a video years ago with some one ball + 2 boxes stuff. smile

As for where it is nowadays... um... my hard drive, maybe on .org... Maybe even on MoM.


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willworkforfoodjnr
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Posted:Ah cool, I'll take a look smile

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Posted:Asynch 6 qualify down into [44][44]44 and then [64]'s back up into another qualify.

LOLOLOL

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willworkforfoodjnr
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Posted:Nice!

I managed to do a few more 2ball/2box things last night - mostly just different ways of swapping them from box to box. Started out attempting to do a bounce reverse cascade from box to box, with the 3rd ball missing. Didn't get far but its certainly possible.

Aston, just thought, try doing your underarm throws out of and into the reverse cascade - its a bit easier and its good practice for mills mess smile


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Posted:Wait... bounced reverse cascade except using boxes instead of hands? :S shocked

Yesterday I did some combinations of 66661 and 744 from cascade, like:

7447446666166661

6666166661744744

6666174474466661


I also did some four ball tricks with snowballs for the lulz.

Incidentally, can anyone (wwffj) help me with a siteswap for a crossing synchronous 4ball split multiplex into and out of 5 cascade? I do them all the time and it bothers me that I can't work out the siteswap. smirk


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willworkforfoodjnr
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Posted:Hmm, well really you couldn't have a crossing split multiplex - a split is where 1 ball crosses the other doesn't. You could have a synch crossing stack, or just synch splits?

Also, theres no real agreement on a way of writing the transitions between synch and asynch. I tend to use .5 additions. Heres a few I can think of that go some way towards it though:

([6x4x],[4.5x2.5x])(0,2) 5555 (Crossing stack into cascade)
([6x4x],[53])(0,2) 5555 (Same but using odd numbers instead of .5s)
([6x2.5],[4.5x,4])(0,2) 5555 (Synch splits)

Urk, brain hurt now lol

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EDIT_REASON: Fixing siteswap


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Posted:Eep, I didn't mean split then... I just meant both balls cross but are thrown to different heights.

Also, I was kinda looking for something I could plug into JugglingLab and watch the pretty pattern go. Haha.

JugglingLab doesn't seem to like your swaps. frown


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willworkforfoodjnr
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Posted:Does it support synch/asynch transitions? You'll have to find out how it likes em written. I'm pretty sure most sims don't support it though confused

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Posted:I'm pretty sure it does because I found a swap for transitioning between (6x,4)* and cascade which worked.

It involves shifting the rhythm by one beat but I CAN'T WRAP MY HEAD AROUND IT!!! ARRRRGGGG!!!

I'ma go find that 6x4 transition swap and see if I can reverse engineer it or something hahaha.


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willworkforfoodjnr
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Posted:Cool, if you post it up here I'll have a go at figuring it too smile

Edit:

Just had a mess about with a causal diagram (you've got me intrigued now) and I'm thinking it will be something like 5556x ([53],[6x4x]) 05555, can't get on Jugglelab from here though so can't verify it. Should be close though, maybe a case of switching the order of the synch throws or adding some 2's in...

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Posted:I DID IT! HAHAHA

555556x22[1x1x]([4x6x],[35])

I worked it out using a ladder diagram! I didn't think I'd ever use one, but I did, and it worked. smile

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Posted:WWFFJ: Once I can do a reverse cascade, I will. Still getting the LH half-shower solid right now. Is mostly there....

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willworkforfoodjnr
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Posted:So, I was at the juggling club last night, and I realised I REALLY need to do more practice... Not getting any better at all, in fact most things are getting less solid frown

Bring on the summer and lazy evenings in the park!


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Posted:I've been doing a pattern I want to be told more about... I mean... its not overly complicated... but this is how it goes.

Its a 3 ball cascade (Not reverse so far as I can tell, I can do rev quite easily..)

But its "Tilted" so that the right hand will come across to the left and throw the ball left to right and the left will come across to throw the ball right to left, the balls travel along the same arc regardless of the hand they are thrown from.

As far as I see it its a way of twisting the paths from having two arcs (one for each hand) into one. Is this correct or is it something else I have yet to comprehend?


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willworkforfoodjnr
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Posted:So the balls make a circle all in the same direction, throws make the top half and the carry motion of the hands make the bottom half?

That would be the windmill, a very fun move.

What were you wanting to know more about on it? Having trouble with parts of it or is it solid and you'd like variations?


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Posted:MNS I think you might just be talking about reversing the throw and catch locations of a regular three ball cascade so that the balls make a reverse cascade "shape" but with (technically) inside throws.

If so it's a simple shape distortion. [You can do a similar thing with the reverse cascade - instead of throwing the balls in arcs to the opposite hand, throw them straight up and move your hands to the balls. :)]

You would have mentioned crossing and uncrossing your arms if it was windmill, right?


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Mother_Natures_Son
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Posted:I think Mike7 has got it.

All I was really after was to be told whether or not I was correct about what the hell it was doing.

"eversing the throw and catch locations of a regular three ball cascade so that the balls make a reverse cascade "shape" but with (technically) inside throws."

Is what I was after and sounds spot on.

I'll have to do the windmill, I've been doing half of that movement, I think...

Thanks a heap for the responses, the pair of you.


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willworkforfoodjnr
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Posted:hehe I did a 9 snowball 2 count with my mate last night grin

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Posted:Windmill and distortion sounds like fun....

Will give them a whirl once I get my LH half-shower solid....


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Posted:Yesterday I learned 97531 starting from my left hand AND I linked two together out of and into cascade! It felt awesome. smile

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willworkforfoodjnr
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Posted:Couple of nice runs last night:

- Clubs 531 (1 behind back) > 531 (1 behind head) > 531 (1 thru legs backwards) > 531 (1 thru legs forward) > 441 (1 behind back) > 44 *drop*

- 4 ball shower run: 7171 91519151 919131 b15151 b17131 717171

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Posted:Damn, that's a sweeeet 4 shower run man! Props!

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Posted:Today I did 53633733383333933333 on both sides. lol.

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Posted:whats the name of the move where it looks like you are doing a fwd weave with the clubs but are juggling 3? I was taught the fundamentals of it by Petey, but I cant remember it!

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