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16.15.8
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Posted:Hey Olive where are you hug

I started to play around with your 3D idea and what you told me in the "arms dont bend that way" workshop and this is one of many photos, its wicked sweet to be able to play with two long arm/extended patterns in one single photo and not only one long arm pattern on each photo.

I only got one photo uploaded but more is coming and please try this out and publish links to your 3D spinning photos here, I want to see everyones ideas, please ubbangel

http://www.nevisoul.com/nevisoul/LED1.html
(first photo is the only 3D photo I have uploaded so far, its a five pedal antispin in each plane, I missed the timing and went out of plane in the bottom pedal thoughmad)


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pineapple pete
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Posted:hey thomas!

hadnt even thought of playing with the different photo opportunities of these flowers.. thats a great idea!

have been playing with olives fancy flowers too.. theyre quite fun

will let you know when ive got some photos kicking about..

thanks, pete hug


"you know there are no trophys for doing silly things in real life yeah pete?" said ant "you wont get a 'listened to ride of the valkyries all the way to vietnam' trophy"

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16.15.8
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Posted:Its F*CKING brilliant, its twice as much fun (you got two extended patterns to play with in the photo, not only one)

Yes, please, play some with these and take some photos tongue2

Thank you Pete and hope to see you around soon again!

//Thomas


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Olive
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Posted:Hey Thomas, Petey smile
Glad to know you guys have started working on that !

Unfortunately, Thomas, I have no material to show about these 3D flowers (no pictures, no videos frown ) .. I just have a workshop in my head, and a couple of drawings w/o text


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16.15.8
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Posted:Its all in your head, is that what you are saying, may I have a bite tongue2

The possibilities are endless, combinations of the two hands and what they separately can do together in a photo that shows two wheelplanes but in wallplane, WICKED! tongue2


"I dont like shoes, definitely not spinning with shoes, they make my feet feel flat, my feet are not flat...."

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pineapple pete
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Posted:hmm, with all that said.. i dont have glopoi at the moment.. but ill do what i can smile

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"you know there are no trophys for doing silly things in real life yeah pete?" said ant "you wont get a 'listened to ride of the valkyries all the way to vietnam' trophy"

*proud owner of the very cute fire_spinning_angel, birgit and neon shaolin*

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Mother_Natures_Son
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Posted:Pete, I'm sure you'll stumble across some glow poi at CG. I'll have two sets there myself. smile

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pineapple pete
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Posted:right.. ill take you up on that.. if i remember.. i *will* be jetlagged

hmm.. i hadnt really thought about that.. maybe i should consider teaching some of these over the weekend at common ground.. try and spread the multi-dimensional madness!

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"you know there are no trophys for doing silly things in real life yeah pete?" said ant "you wont get a 'listened to ride of the valkyries all the way to vietnam' trophy"

*proud owner of the very cute fire_spinning_angel, birgit and neon shaolin*

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aston
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Posted:Now that is sweet.

Is there any theory written up on this stuff somewhere?


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Mother_Natures_Son
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Posted:Lol, pineapple pete, I assumed if you were going to be stealing my poi that I'd be stealing some tips on what the hell Thomas was talking about! grin

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16.15.8
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Posted:Aston: No Im afraid not, the theory behind this is inside Olives head, he explained it for me and Im just playing around with it.....

I would write a theory but it would be horrible to read and it wouldnt make any sense at all, I am more of a practical spinner and have a hard time to explain in words and theories what I do and would like to do....frown


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Mother_Natures_Son
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Posted:If I understand what I glean from petey I'll have a punt at putting it into words... but it'll be 'orrid.

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aston
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Posted:Hmmm.... Will have to play with it on my lonesome then. Any suggestions?

Just not really sure what you are doing, the basic premise behind it.

If I follow, it is basically a compound circle doen slightly off plane so that the petals are visible from the front and back as well as side?

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pineapple pete
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Posted:im more than happy to give a go at explaining it, if olive doesnt mind me essentially stealing his workshop idea and all..

will even stick up some pictures, and use capitals and grammar!

hows that sound?

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"you know there are no trophys for doing silly things in real life yeah pete?" said ant "you wont get a 'listened to ride of the valkyries all the way to vietnam' trophy"

*proud owner of the very cute fire_spinning_angel, birgit and neon shaolin*

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Stout
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Posted:Excuse me..but i think I'm missing something here..

Notably, where does the term 3D come in here ?

I mean, since we're all spinning flattened cones , rather than true circles, isn't most of what we're spinning pretty much 3D anyway ? Toss in a little movement, and the whole art of spinning is pretty much 3D.

Being a veteran of smashing my head against my keyboard while reading all of Richee's threads, I can't help but suspect that this thread might result in similar confusion.

Thomas, when I went to your site to look at the photo you linked too and click on it expecting to see a larger version, I found I was redirected to another site. Today, I find that link is gone in the first three photos.

I got the feeling that I was being spammed shrug


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16.15.8
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Posted:Usually when I spin in front of another persons eyes or in front of a camera lens I always create patterns thats flat like wallplane or wheelplane and thats for me is kinda 2D if I can say like that.....?

But with this kind of spinning you can create two separate longarm patterns but still catch both of them on a photo like you where playing them in wallplane which is impossible if you dont make them shorter.

But this is what I think and the idea is originally from Olive, I just started to play with it the other day and really like the photos that camed out, thats why I made this thread cos I would like to see more photos like this and different combinations of patterns.

Oh that was a lot of text grin

Stout: Sorry if you thought it was spamm but if you thought that it was spamm then you really missed out on something, flowtoys grin
All my pictures is affiliate links to flowtoys but these three new ones I uploaded I forgot to put the link in. Sorry for making you confused but check out www.flowtoys.com, if you are a poispinner I think you heard about them before?!


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Stout
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Posted:OH I see what you're getting at ( I think ) the overlap in two longarm patterns done separately with long poi is what makes style of photography 3D..

Most of us are thinking 2D when we're spinning performance planes and hoping we're making circles instead of ovals, but the simple act of taking one poi into a btb plane would make those circles more 3D.....which is why I was curious as to whether this was some new spinning style.

Cheers.

PS, I'm well familiar with flowtoys. I don't buy them though because I have access to a wholesaler and I can put together a set comparable to their crystal poi set for less than six bucks. The only reason I was calling it spam, is because I was expecting a bigger photo..not advertisement.


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aston
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Posted:Pineapple Pete: If Olive does not mind, would you please?

Also, could someone explain long-arm pattern as opposed to flower/compound circle please?


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pineapple pete
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Posted:yeah man.. just gotta get olives approval.. im sure he wont mind.. but politeness is important and all.. conveniently enough, im leaving hong kong tonight, going straight to a festival, then straight to a friends place in the hills with no net connection, so i can write it up, im just not sure when ill get a chance to upload it smile

in this case, i think longarm patterns are just long arm flowers/compound circles, right?

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"you know there are no trophys for doing silly things in real life yeah pete?" said ant "you wont get a 'listened to ride of the valkyries all the way to vietnam' trophy"

*proud owner of the very cute fire_spinning_angel, birgit and neon shaolin*

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Olive
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Posted:Originally Posted By: astonIf I follow, it is basically a compound circle doen slightly off plane so that the petals are visible from the front and back as well as side?
that's it .... but really out of plane

Petey> go ahead spread the knowledge ... that's what it's meant for

< insert text about long-arm circle and 3D flower theory ... + convert to pdf the drwaing file and stor it somewhere ...
really got to find the time for this .. maybe this afternoon
btw> anyone has some room on a server?? ... Thomas?>


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16.15.8
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Posted:No worries, I got plenty of space at my cyber crib grin

I would be an honor for me to store some of your knowledge in my room tongue2

//Thomas


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Posted:are you talking about his website? If so, I need to keep a watch on that because I would love a more expansive picture on the subject. (especially with pictures)

"to a man whose only tool is a hammer, the whole world looks like a nail." Abraham Maslow

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aston
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Posted:Olive: If you have some files that need to be hosted, I may be able to help as well.

And thanks for the permission for Pete to post stuff. Is this maybe discussed on Tribes somewhere?

Any suggestion on how out of plane "really out of plane" should be? I guess I will have to find a large window....


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16.15.8
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Posted:I would say that if you spin your poi so that you have a 90 angle in between the two planes of your poi.
The corner of this angle (the top of the cone) should point straight towards the camera or the person watching.

You get what I mean, if not Im happy to do a simple painting.
This is my idea and how I work with it, if Im not mistaken Olive got another explanation or if its the same in the end confused2

Im so happy grin

//Thomas


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Stout
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Posted:Oh..I get it now.

We're talking planes at 45 degrees...between wheel and wall plane and with poi too long to make those extensions impossible in wall plane only.

Yep...that would be 3D as opposed to the regular flat planes ( proscenium ) idea that we all know and love.

cheers.


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16.15.8
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Posted:YES! In wallplane you are very limited if you want to do 2 separate patterns, you need to have very short poi while if you play like this you can do full arm extensions and get full length flowers and mix two full extended patterns.

Whoa, brain overload, to much ideas tongue2

I love my life grin

//Thomas


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Mireneye
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Posted:Wait.. wait..

I get it but it will take some damn time to figure out the possibilities. Oh well, I will try to see if I can catch any photos on a photo shoot sometime soon...

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aston
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Posted:*click*

Will play with it when I get the chance to breath....


'We're all mad here. I'm mad, you're mad." [said the Cat.]
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "Or you wouldn't have come here."
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Posted:Ok, the files is up, free to download by anyone and a big thanks to Olive, you truly are a poi geek (thats a good thing) wink

http://www.nevisoul.com/3D.zip


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Richee
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Posted:N > 'Dual circle horizontal intercept'

I think the front & the side view, shoud more look like a circle,
to get final, isometric(3D) ellipse illusion.

About the inside and outside, I think, tie the pictures together.

It's reel,

:R

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aston
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Posted:Thanks Thomas.

Will attempt to provide feedback too. smile


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