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Mucky
SILVER Member since Apr 2008

Mucky

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Location: Macungie, PA, USA

Total posts: 227
Posted:Hey guys,

I've been playing around with a bunch of new (to me) concepts and one of the things that I absolutely love is the quarter-time isolated buzzsaw. Done well (I used socks), it looks like a rotating cross, or a + sign... Once I get my quarter-time powers under control I want to start fiddling around with other neat alternate-timey things. Anybody have any pointers, or cool things they've worked out in quarter-time? Seems like it'd be a good way to mix things up a bit, anyway.


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Cyrille
SILVER Member since Sep 2006

Cyrille

newbie
Location: , France

Total posts: 43
Posted:Hi Mucky!

Another cool thing is to have just one poi in semi isolation and the other poi rotating in same direction in normal spin with the hand at the same place of the isolated point. With that, you will have a "T" rotating.

If you can have now a total isolation, you will have another form rotating. (ouch!)

Ther are also a lot of double stalls to work in 1/4 time (in hand to hand, poi to hand or poi to poi).

Cyrille


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animatEd
BRONZE Member since Aug 2004

animatEd

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Location: Bristol UK

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Posted:one way to think about cleaning up your quarter time i to change the way you count the timing of your beats.

If we count our beats in 'bars' of four (hurrah Music theory) we usually spin on the 1 and the 3, or the 2 and the 4. This looks in my head like 'beat, 000, beat, 000'. but if we change this counting to the first and second beat of the four we're counting, we end up with perfect quarter time spinning: 'Beat, beat, 000, 000'.

If my description doesn't make sense (And it likely won't ubblol ) hopefully some helpful drummer will come along and explain it in better terms that mioght be easier to understand.


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GeoffonTour04
SILVER Member since Nov 2005

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Location: Oxford, United Kingdom

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Posted:Replace the 000 with rest & that's basically bang on.

Also good (kinda OT) is spinning on every 3rd beat constantly, it matches up every 3 bars (3 bars of 4 is 12 beats & so is 4 repetitions of 3). I use it when I can't go fast/slow enough for the music.


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Mother_Natures_Son
SILVER Member since Aug 2007

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Location: Geelong, Victoria, Australia!

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Posted:Could anyone help me out by telling me exactly what a 1/4 time stall (One horizontal and one vertical for example) thats come out of even time is classified as and how that relates to quarter time spinning?

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Mucky
SILVER Member since Apr 2008

Mucky

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Location: Macungie, PA, USA

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Posted:Cyrille - I've played with the T version.... By "total" isolation, what do you mean? Isolating the head? I'm still working on being able to do that......

LTC and Geoff - thanks, I've got the timing down decently (it slips back into split time if I'm not diligent, but that just takes practice)!

I've always considered stalls to be classed outside of "normal" poi timing, because there is a huge variety of speeds and changes that are possible. Obviously timing principles apply, but I've always used stalls as a seamless shift between timings.


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Mother_Natures_Son
SILVER Member since Aug 2007

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Rampant whirler.
Location: Geelong, Victoria, Australia!

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Posted:Yeah, I had similar ideas, Mucky, but I've been having a bit of trouble getting into quarter time, 1/4 stalls are fine. Guess I better get back and practice... but its too cold when the sun isnt out! Come on summer!!!

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duvan

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Location: germany

Total posts: 249
Posted:hey,

I just played around with quarter time recently and I found a rather easy yet beautiful move to play in quarter time:

it's the buzzsaw fountain antispin in quarter time. very nice to watch. just takes heaps of time to get the timing clean.


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pineapple pete
SILVER Member since Sep 2004

pineapple pete

water based
Location: melbourne, Australia

Total posts: 5125
Posted:in the church of poi video (search 'church of poi' in youtube) that brett and i made recently, towards the end of the video he does a wicked 1/4 time full waistwrap.. i highly reccomend checking that out smile

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Zan
GOLD Member since Oct 2004

Zan

Light Warrior
Location: Oregon, USA

Total posts: 32
Posted:Some more fun ideas with Quarter time:
1/4 time opposite directions (butterfly). Poi heads meet at an angle off the circle, rather than at the top (same time) or at the side (split time). From the basic pattern with 2 poi, linear extensions and linear isolations are obvious next steps. A lot of the 1/4 time "box stalls" come from this timing. Often the hands-together stalls will be a corner opening to the outside (from your body's center of mass), and the poi-heads-together stall make a corner inwards, like a piece of a square that contains your torso.

Next, quarter-time of the arms with any poi timing. We know it as the "chase" feeling involved with the weave, windmill, corkscrew, etc. All of those patterns are split-time same-direction, though. What about other timings and directions? Use the Quarter-time-arms (I'd actually describe it as a phase offset of the cycles of each hand) on other timings of poi. Alien Jon is exploring this idea through offest stall combos, and offset Continuous Assembly Patterns.


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