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Groovy_Dream
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Posted:I'll be interested in hearing people's reactions to this one smile.



 Written by : VHEMT website





VHEMT (pronounced vehement) is a movement not an organization. It's a movement advanced by people who care about life on planet Earth. We're not just a bunch of misanthropes and anti-social, Malthusian misfits, taking morbid delight whenever disaster strikes humans. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Voluntary human extinction is the humanitarian alternative to human disasters.



We don't carry on about how the human race has shown itself to be a greedy, amoral parasite on the once-healthy face of this planet. That type of negativity offers no solution to the inexorable horrors which human activity is causing.



Rather, The Movement presents an encouraging alternative to the callous exploitation and wholesale destruction of Earth's ecology.



As VHEMT Volunteers know, the hopeful alternative to the extinction of millions of species of plants and animals is the voluntary extinction of one species: Homo sapiens... us.



Each time another one of us decides to not add another one of us to the burgeoning billions already squatting on this ravaged planet, another ray of hope shines through the gloom.



When every human chooses to stop breeding, Earth's biosphere will be allowed to return to its former glory, and all remaining creatures will be free to live, die, evolve (if they believe in evolution), and will perhaps pass away, as so many of Nature's "experiments" have done throughout the eons.









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www.vhemt.org


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Doc Lightning
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Posted: Written by :FireTom


In theory many ideas have good intent, practically it's not quite as easy.



Something about a road to somewhere being paved with good intentions?

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Sethis
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Posted: Written by :Doc Lightning


 Written by :FireTom


In theory many ideas have good intent, practically it's not quite as easy.



Something about a road to somewhere being paved with good intentions?

wink



Ooh, ooh, that's the road to Falmouth! Am I right? Do I win a prize? rolleyes


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FireTom
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Posted: Written by :Sethis



Ooh, ooh, that's the road to Falmouth! Am I right? Do I win a prize? rolleyes





Jupp, here it is: spank wink



Doc - it's 'all' about intentions at first and those of the Nazi clique has never been (the conditioned) "good". Hitler wrote it out and published it way before he got elected... He was not hiding them.



But at the end of the day it's not about 'good or bad', 'right or wrong' - it's just about consequences... If people decide not to breed, I'm not forcing them into parenthood.



If people declare that they would like to realize a 'voluntary human extinction movement'.... well, how about leaving the 'voluntarism' and just supporting the way things work at the moment?



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Lurch
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Posted:I'll have to disagree about no one in the Nazi clique ever being 'good'. Hitler may not have been, and his high ranking officials may not have been, but for many many *many* people it was either join the Nazi's or die. Not everyone is as morally weak as you would think. Of course, maybe you think it's more noble to die than to work against the machine from inside.

If it's not about 'right and wrong' and there are no morals involved, then why are we spending so much time and effort dragging out the lives of the genetically deficient? For that matter, why do we allow criminals to breed and potentially pass on a predisposition for violent behavior to yet another generation? A 'master race' seems like a logical evolutionary step... But then, those pesky morals say that it isn't right for society to choose who breeds with who, and who's not allowed to reproduce. Or for that matter, who should die (for the most part).


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FireTom
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Posted:Lurch, that's sooo rolleyes [sigh]

The NSDAP at some stage even refused to accept new applicants to the party (pretty early, 1933 till 1937) as they wanted to keep it "elite". People initially joined, expecting benefits in their careers or worse, believed in the parties policies. "Join the Nazis or die" - where you got that rubbish from? That's just some twisted view on (political) reality.

However: there has never anyone been forced to join the NSDAP...

Many (! - not "all" and not "most") people are 'morally weak' or lets put it nice: 'opportunistic', when it comes to personal benefits... It's natural.

"working against the machine from inside" vs. "to die (for your beliefs)"... umm that's coming from the guy who is favoring current gun legislation to defend himself against a possible dictator... ? I'm confused wink

"genetically deficient"? There might me more "idiot savants" than you may believe. (please note that I use 'idiot' in this context way apart from the common definition)... to give you an example: Stephen Hawkins is one of them, I wouldn't want to miss him.

I really despise the intent (yes, I'm jumping conclusions here) that I notice behind your wording:

 Written by : Lurch

If it's not about 'right and wrong' and there are no morals involved, then why are we spending so much time and effort dragging out the lives of the genetically deficient? For that matter, why do we allow criminals to breed and potentially pass on a predisposition for violent behavior to yet another generation? A 'master race' seems like a logical evolutionary step... But then, those pesky morals say that it isn't right for society to choose who breeds with who, and who's not allowed to reproduce. Or for that matter, who should die (for the most part).



1) Genetic deficiency (physical) has nothing to do with mental powers and/or 'intelligence'. You ever worked in a home for disabled persons? Well I did and I assume that you're talking out of your rear end.

2) You got any (peered) scientific proof that "criminal/violent behavior" is a "genetic predisposition"? I doubt it. You yourself might be living proof that both, disposition for violent behavior and genetic deficiency, do NOT necessarily go hand in hand.... no that's not an intended pun, but a compliment...

3) A "master race"... you're talking about those who enslaved Africans on the cotton fields of the Confederation? Or maybe about those who rounded up Jews, Homosexuals, disabled persons, communists, priests, political opposition and put them into Concentration Camps, working them to death, raping, poisoning, exposing them to cruel medical experiments or those who disfigured them alive? Or are you talking about those who genocided the native population in America or Australia or such? umm

spank

Maybe you realize at some stage in your ... existence that 'having power' and NOT abusing it against those who can't speak or stand up for themselves is 'true mastership'.

Thanks for revealing another dark corner of your consciousness, yet: If you would have carefully read my post, you would not have tapped into the (non existing) trap:

 Written by : mini-me

Doc - it's 'all' about intentions at first and those of the Nazi clique has never been (the conditioned) "good".



I was talking about "intent" (at first).

As I've repeatedly said: many bad deeds have been committed in best intent and a lot of good accidentally derived from trying to harm others. Meaning that if even if "you" would decide to be a parent and tried to educate "your" child to be a murderer, "you" might actuadentally produce a savior. *You* will never know...

A human being ain't a dog or a machine - this is what makes this race so intriguing and (being a XY-varitety) I would really mourn the day those hormone battered, physically weak, irresolute, vicissitudinous, vulnerable creatures (namely the XX-variety) go extinct... I love 'em and yes, I do love mankind...

Dunno what 'l.o.v.e.' is to you - to me it means to accept with weaknesses and flaws.

meditate I don't mean to slap (my) 'truth' in other people's face like a wet towel... 'Funny' enough Hitler himself has not remotely been living up to his standards. Do you find him to be a tall, strong built, athletic, green/blue eyed emperor - or rather a wretched psycho? Often we find those, having 'genetic deficiencies' or being 'half-bloods' themselves to be furious fighters for a "master race"... Learn to live with and to love your self despite your flaws/ deficiencies and the world will be a better place - no need to drop out of the gene-pool or to go extinct...

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Stone
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Posted: Written by Lurch

I'll have to disagree about no one in the Nazi clique ever being 'good'. Hitler may not have been, and his high ranking officials may not have been, but for many many *many* people it was either join the Nazi's or die. Not everyone is as morally weak as you would think. Of course, maybe you think it's more noble to die than to work against the machine from inside.





Lurch, the Nuremberg Defense (the defense of superior orders), is not an accepted defense for war crimes, or any crimes for that matter ie. it's not my fault, he made me do it.



 Written by Lurch

If it's not about 'right and wrong' and there are no morals involved, then why are we spending so much time and effort dragging out the lives of the genetically deficient? For that matter, why do we allow criminals to breed and potentially pass on predisposition for violent behavior to yet another generation? A 'master race' seems like a logical evolutionary step... But then, those pesky morals say that it isn't right for society to choose who breeds with who, and who's not allowed to reproduce. Or for that matter, who should die (for the most part).





Lurch, it's not about morals, its about principles.



Morals generally means a code of conduct held to be authoritative in matters of right and wrong. Morals are created and defined by society, and are therefore no more than norms established by a particular society. Therefore, according to the Nazis, they were morally right because they believed they were doing the right thing.



On the other hand, principles are completely different. A principle is a foundation upon which other values and measures of integrity are based. For example, human rights would refers to the principle of basic rights and freedoms for all human beings, not a select few. The principle of master race as a concept in Nazi ideology, holds that the Germanic and Nordic people represent an ideal and "pure race".



So to me, supporting the concept of master race as a logical evolutionary step is just another way of saying a person supports white supremacy.

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