-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK
Written by :Pele
So, here's the question...how do we get one, other than by skipping country (which is actually my plan)?
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
"Lots of beeping. And shaking and tinfoil." Chelly
"Are you sure it's a genuine test and not a robot heroin addict?" Cantus
---set free by the rather lovely FireTom---
--(right arm owned by Fyre)--
Written by :Chelly
Theoretically, nationalisation is a great idea. And I couldn't agree more with your reasoning. I feel lucky to have been brought up in a country where we have an institution like the NHS.
However, it's funded through taxes, and with the increasingly aging population making more demands on the health service (and not paying taxes through well-deserved retirement etc) it is stretched to breaking point.
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
To do: More Firedrums 08 video?
Wildfire/US East coast fire footage
LA/EDC glow/fire footage
Fresno fire
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
"God *was* my co-pilot, but then we crashed, and I had to eat him..."
Written by :Doc Lightning
...regular health examinations and preventative care are not performed.
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
Written by :jeff(fake)
Even if you're a cold hearted Capitalist pig like me, it's clear that preventative medicine saves money, and that an ailing workforce can't work efficiently.
What the devil's going on over there?
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
Written by :faithinfire
The state government has screwed up our welfare system, the last thing I'd want to see is them have any hand in a national healthcare system. They can't even manage specialized funds like for rehab or our state sponsored insurance fund
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
The existance of flamethrowers says that someone, somewhere, at sometime said "I need to set that thing on fire, but it's too far away."
Written by :Fine_Rabid_Dog
Other than greed and fear of a "communist-style" medical care system... what is the real reason that America doesn't have a NHS-like system?
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
"Lots of beeping. And shaking and tinfoil." Chelly
"Are you sure it's a genuine test and not a robot heroin addict?" Cantus
---set free by the rather lovely FireTom---
--(right arm owned by Fyre)--
Written by Lightning
You already got it. A fanatical/religious fear of anything socialized.
Written by Lightning helmet thread
Civil liberties should win every time. You EDUCATE people to wear bike helmets. And seatbelts. You don't FORCE them to.
Written by Lightning helmet thread
No, freedom to do with one's own body what one chooses is more important.
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But what you've failed to justify is how making ME wear a seatbelt protects YOU from ME. It protects ME from YOU, but that should be my choice.
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And again, I categorically reject the "cost to society" argument because that can be applied to too many draconian rules and regulations.
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
Written by :chelly
People are dying because they can't get treated with the current health systems in this country, we pay taxes for a health service that is essentially non-existant for people under the age of 60
He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.
Nietzsche
THE MEEK WILL INHERIT THE EARTH!
If that's okay with you?
Written by :Stone
Honestly Lightning, I don’t see what you are complaining about. Surely, a NATIONALIZED healthcare system is just another example of going down that slippery slope to responsibility.
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
Written by :hamamelis
However.. My mum has had a really bad experience- with suspected Carpal Tunnel syndrome, where I think it took a year from first complaint to getting a final diagnosis- not even treatment..(it's a nerve trapped in her neck, apparently, and inoperable.. so they can just put her on anti-inflammatories, and hope it doesn't get worse).
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
Written by :Stone
Try this:
Surely, a NATIONALIZED healthcare system is just another example of going down that slippery pole to becoming a "Nanny" state.
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
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However.. My mum has had a really bad experience- with suspected Carpal Tunnel syndrome, where I think it took a year from first complaint to getting a final diagnosis- not even treatment..(it's a nerve trapped in her neck, apparently, and inoperable.. so they can just put her on anti-inflammatories, and hope it doesn't get worse).
But that's not just the NHS. It took me a year to get diagnosed with ankylosing spondylitis, during which time I was in horrible back pain.
THE MEEK WILL INHERIT THE EARTH!
If that's okay with you?
Written by Lightning
Providing people with a service is not equal to forcing them to use it. I fail to follow your logic, still.
Written by wiki
Opponents of government programs for universal health care argue that people should be free to opt out of health insurance and that government programs would require higher taxes, increase bureaucratic inefficiencies, increase utilization, and reduce health care quality. Opponents also claim that the current level of government involvement in US health care contributes to higher costs, and point to free-market solutions to increase efficiency, stimulate innovation, and make consumers rather than third parties more responsible for cost decisions.
Written by Lightning helmet thread
The idea is that we have to let people look out for their own best interests and make decisions for themselves as competent adults. But we should let them make their own decisions. You can make arguments about costs to society and money and blah blah, but there is no price tag for liberty.
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
Written by :Stone
Lightning, it’s not about logic, it’s about consistency. Mandatory health care, like mandatory seat belts, is a threat to personal liberties.
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Yes it’s a silly argument, but not as silly as the argument that that values the perceived personal freedom of adults above the cost to society.
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
Written by :Jeff
Even if you're a cold hearted Capitalist pig like me, it's clear that preventative medicine saves money, and that an ailing workforce can't work efficiently.
Written by :Stone
Mandatory health care, like mandatory seat belts, is a threat to personal liberties.
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Opponents of government programs for universal health care argue that people should be free to opt out of health insurance
He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.
Nietzsche
Written by :dream
I don't care if someone is from Britain or Botswana, The United States or the United Arab Emirates, Australia or Armenian a human being is a human being and we should all have access to free health care.
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
Written by Lightning
Comparing healthcare to bike helmets is utter non-sequitur.
Written by Lightning helmet thread
The idea is that we have to let people look out for their own best interests and make decisions for themselves as competent adults. But we should let them make their own decisions. You can make arguments about costs to society and money and blah blah, but there is no price tag for liberty.
Written by Lightning
You would force me to engage in activities that have no bearing on anyone else, yet deny healthcare to those who need it.
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
Written by OWD
Lightning is talking about a nationalised health service- presumably optional in all ways- in the UK the NHS runs alongside privatised health i.e. those who have money and prefer to pay for health care can choose the private option.
Written by Fine Rabid Dog
Other than greed and fear of a "communist-style" medical care system... what is the real reason that America doesn't have a NHS-like system?Written by Lightning
You already got it. A fanatical/religious fear of anything socialized.
Written by wiki on the health care debate in the USA
Opponents of government programs for universal health care argue that people should be free to opt out of health insurance and that government programs would require higher taxes, increase bureaucratic inefficiencies, increase utilization, and reduce health care quality. Opponents also claim that the current level of government involvement in US health care contributes to higher costs, and point to free-market solutions to increase efficiency, stimulate innovation, and make consumers rather than third parties more responsible for cost decisions.
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura