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www.poigeek.com
Quite surprised this hasn't been mentioned on here before - it's a fairly significant development in the world of poi spinning...
Quick summary, it's a pay-per-view instructional video website which aims to teach poi spinning on a move-by-move basis.
Currently only has a couple of moves up, but the basic premise is obvious.
I think it's a good idea in theory, I even had a similar idea at one stage. The key thing obviously is ensuring the content is substantially better than the huge amounts of free lessons scattered around the interweb to give value for money.
Would anyone here consider using it?
Is anyone massively against the idea?
My only mild gripe with the whole site is the naming of moves, which aren't anywhere near "HoP standard", nor "general spinning community standard". Which is fine on it's own - but can (and will) lead to confusion when a PoiGeek'er meets a regular spinner, but also could hinder progress e.g. "Archer Weave" is just a long-arm/short-arm weave, yet without this qualifier, there's no obvious indicator that LA/SA can be applied to 90% of all poi moves...
This is probably hypocritical, but names for moves should be logical
www.poigeek.com
Quite surprised this hasn't been mentioned on here before - it's a fairly significant development in the world of poi spinning...
Quick summary, it's a pay-per-view instructional video website which aims to teach poi spinning on a move-by-move basis.
Currently only has a couple of moves up, but the basic premise is obvious.
I think it's a good idea in theory, I even had a similar idea at one stage. The key thing obviously is ensuring the content is substantially better than the huge amounts of free lessons scattered around the interweb to give value for money.
Would anyone here consider using it?
Is anyone massively against the idea?
My only mild gripe with the whole site is the naming of moves, which aren't anywhere near "HoP standard", nor "general spinning community standard". Which is fine on it's own - but can (and will) lead to confusion when a PoiGeek'er meets a regular spinner, but also could hinder progress e.g. "Archer Weave" is just a long-arm/short-arm weave, yet without this qualifier, there's no obvious indicator that LA/SA can be applied to 90% of all poi moves...
This is probably hypocritical, but names for moves should be logical
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Posted:
If all the videos are like that, it sounds awesome - in my opinion there are very few tutorials, free or otherwise that are as clear as they sound.
I'm not sure that the archer weave previews match up to that though.
Also, if they're put together that well I see no problem with selling them - there are plenty of other poi/juggling/object manipulation dvds out there.
None I've seen that beat the Gandini club swinging one though, which is kind of a shame since it's already 6 years old.
As far as the names go, I think a lot of people over-estimate the influence of HoP.
It's certainly very large, but certainly not large enough to be The Authority as far as naming conventions go - there are still plenty of people out there who've never looked at the lessons here and even fewer that've actually got past them and into the depths of the technical discussion areas.
To the people who've never seen the established names on HoP (the kind I imagine poi geek is aiming at), does it really matter what the moves are called? If they ever go to a meet they'll still see a load of people doing the same movements.
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By sterile I mean really clean. White backgrounds, black clothes, color coded poi to correspond to left and right, very clear voice recording, HD video, etc.
If all the videos are like that, it sounds awesome - in my opinion there are very few tutorials, free or otherwise that are as clear as they sound.
I'm not sure that the archer weave previews match up to that though.
Also, if they're put together that well I see no problem with selling them - there are plenty of other poi/juggling/object manipulation dvds out there.
None I've seen that beat the Gandini club swinging one though, which is kind of a shame since it's already 6 years old.
As far as the names go, I think a lot of people over-estimate the influence of HoP.
It's certainly very large, but certainly not large enough to be The Authority as far as naming conventions go - there are still plenty of people out there who've never looked at the lessons here and even fewer that've actually got past them and into the depths of the technical discussion areas.
To the people who've never seen the established names on HoP (the kind I imagine poi geek is aiming at), does it really matter what the moves are called? If they ever go to a meet they'll still see a load of people doing the same movements.
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As usual, Dave, well said.
Folks, I have to agree with Icon on this.
This is maybe Home of Poi on account of the site founders live in New Zelaland. But or the kinds of worldwidefusionfreeformdancesockribbonfire etc form the word has come to mean... we are not OWN of poi.
If what GG has done makes it easy for people to learn and realte, great. If her new names don;t work, they won;t stick. Just like when Meenik named something and the glowstingers already had a more descriptive name for it (orbitals) after a brief chat, the original name stuck.
Personally I'd never seen or heard of the *move* in question as a *move*.. thought I'd done it heaps just mucking around. SO that slight adjustment to my thinking has been welcome; exaggerate the stiffness of the arm and do it a bit longer and its quite interesting. Cool.
Now...
can you isolate it?
As usual, Dave, well said.
Folks, I have to agree with Icon on this.
This is maybe Home of Poi on account of the site founders live in New Zelaland. But or the kinds of worldwidefusionfreeformdancesockribbonfire etc form the word has come to mean... we are not OWN of poi.
If what GG has done makes it easy for people to learn and realte, great. If her new names don;t work, they won;t stick. Just like when Meenik named something and the glowstingers already had a more descriptive name for it (orbitals) after a brief chat, the original name stuck.
Personally I'd never seen or heard of the *move* in question as a *move*.. thought I'd done it heaps just mucking around. SO that slight adjustment to my thinking has been welcome; exaggerate the stiffness of the arm and do it a bit longer and its quite interesting. Cool.
Now...
can you isolate it?
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What do you feel is knee-jerk about this thread Dave?
What do you feel is knee-jerk about this thread Dave?
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Possibly the fact that no one here has actually seen the content, yet, people are complaining about it.
Possibly the fact that no one here has actually seen the content, yet, people are complaining about it.
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I have, and I quite like it.
I have, and I quite like it.
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Did you purchase it or are you talking about the previews?
Did you purchase it or are you talking about the previews?
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Are we just subtly marketing a commercial website here?
However - good posts, ICoN and Gabe.
Are we just subtly marketing a commercial website here?
However - good posts, ICoN and Gabe.
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surely the preview should be of the same quality as the purchased lessons
Written by :ICoN
Did you purchase it or are you talking about the previews?
surely the preview should be of the same quality as the purchased lessons
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Posted:
i quite like it another cool site is this one not a lot of instructional vids yet but its only new and the community is very friendly
i quite like it another cool site is this one not a lot of instructional vids yet but its only new and the community is very friendly
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"surely the preview should be of the same quality as the purchased lessons"
Well, no... The previews are hosted on YouTube which drastically cuts the quality... And the previews are only a small clip from the lesson, they don't show how it's all broken down. Honestly, the previews don't do the lessons justice at all.
"surely the preview should be of the same quality as the purchased lessons"
Well, no... The previews are hosted on YouTube which drastically cuts the quality... And the previews are only a small clip from the lesson, they don't show how it's all broken down. Honestly, the previews don't do the lessons justice at all.
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I also want to say that PoiGeek isn't what it is supposed to be quite yet. The original idea was that the lessons were going to be available via iTunes so that people could pay $1 per lesson and download the video onto their iPod/other portable device. There was a problem after production started when they found out that iTunes does not offer instructional video downloads and will not until next year. Thus, they had to create DVDs for the time being. Once iTunes opens the market to instructional videos, PoiGeek will primarily sell that way. By that time, we should have half a dozen courses complete or more.
I also want to say that PoiGeek isn't what it is supposed to be quite yet. The original idea was that the lessons were going to be available via iTunes so that people could pay $1 per lesson and download the video onto their iPod/other portable device. There was a problem after production started when they found out that iTunes does not offer instructional video downloads and will not until next year. Thus, they had to create DVDs for the time being. Once iTunes opens the market to instructional videos, PoiGeek will primarily sell that way. By that time, we should have half a dozen courses complete or more.
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well i think i have made my point of view quite clear in the other thread.... I feel its very arrogant for one group of people (however big) to feel they can choose what is best for the rest of the whole world.
i think that arrogance is what is going to damage your scene guys, we should be making poi and everything else OPEN to everyone, not just those who you think are techy/cool/good enough to 'be a poi-er'
from what GG profile says on the website, she is trained in both poi and dance, this reaches out to me far more than some of the 'techy' poi i have seen, i probably wont buy any lessons because i prefer to learn from people but thats just personal choice -
At the end of the day, everyone in the world has the right to spin a sock round their head and call it John if they fancy, we have NO Place telling them not to do or what to do...
well i think i have made my point of view quite clear in the other thread.... I feel its very arrogant for one group of people (however big) to feel they can choose what is best for the rest of the whole world.
i think that arrogance is what is going to damage your scene guys, we should be making poi and everything else OPEN to everyone, not just those who you think are techy/cool/good enough to 'be a poi-er'
from what GG profile says on the website, she is trained in both poi and dance, this reaches out to me far more than some of the 'techy' poi i have seen, i probably wont buy any lessons because i prefer to learn from people but thats just personal choice -
At the end of the day, everyone in the world has the right to spin a sock round their head and call it John if they fancy, we have NO Place telling them not to do or what to do...
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then the previews should be better. surely thats the point of a preview to show you the level and quality of what your going to pay for, before you part with cash.
Written by :ICoN
"surely the preview should be of the same quality as the purchased lessons"
Well, no... The previews are hosted on YouTube which drastically cuts the quality... And the previews are only a small clip from the lesson, they don't show how it's all broken down. Honestly, the previews don't do the lessons justice at all.
then the previews should be better. surely thats the point of a preview to show you the level and quality of what your going to pay for, before you part with cash.
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Feeb-- I don't think anybody's arguing that there should be one big poi police demanding everybody do the same thing... I'm no tech spinner... Not at all... In my few forays into the Advanced poi forum here on HOP I've just gotten confused and run away. Maybe I just haven't been on HOP long enough, but nobody really strikes me as arrogant; certainly not the people posting on this thread...
Simta -- I think the previews are OK. You're not paying for the previews; why should they pay for server space to host them when YouTube does a reasonable job of it? Half the film previews you see don't match the end movie whatsoever - heck, a lot of them use soundtracks that arent' even in the movie itself, or cut scenes to make it look like something else is happening in the trailer.
PoiGeek's previews do a good job showing you what the lesson is going to be like. Maybe it'd be a little more tempting if they mentioned that the lessons are of a higher-quality, but I think the point is to demonstrate the teaching style.
ICoN -- thanks for chiming in on this thread! It's good to have level-headed input from all sides!
Feeb-- I don't think anybody's arguing that there should be one big poi police demanding everybody do the same thing... I'm no tech spinner... Not at all... In my few forays into the Advanced poi forum here on HOP I've just gotten confused and run away. Maybe I just haven't been on HOP long enough, but nobody really strikes me as arrogant; certainly not the people posting on this thread...
Simta -- I think the previews are OK. You're not paying for the previews; why should they pay for server space to host them when YouTube does a reasonable job of it? Half the film previews you see don't match the end movie whatsoever - heck, a lot of them use soundtracks that arent' even in the movie itself, or cut scenes to make it look like something else is happening in the trailer.
PoiGeek's previews do a good job showing you what the lesson is going to be like. Maybe it'd be a little more tempting if they mentioned that the lessons are of a higher-quality, but I think the point is to demonstrate the teaching style.
ICoN -- thanks for chiming in on this thread! It's good to have level-headed input from all sides!
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not willing to pay server space to host a preview yet willing to ask for money to the whole lesson seems strange as it wouldnt be much extra space for a 1/2minute preview.
i think its fair enough to want a preview that shows the level of quality of the paid lesson. obviously not the length or detail of paid lessons, but at least video quality should be at the same level.
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why should they pay for server space to host them when YouTube does a reasonable job of it?
not willing to pay server space to host a preview yet willing to ask for money to the whole lesson seems strange as it wouldnt be much extra space for a 1/2minute preview.
i think its fair enough to want a preview that shows the level of quality of the paid lesson. obviously not the length or detail of paid lessons, but at least video quality should be at the same level.
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As a quibble - the free preview isn't a lesson, it just shows the move(s)... so "Free lessons" is still mis-leading.
As a quibble - the free preview isn't a lesson, it just shows the move(s)... so "Free lessons" is still mis-leading.
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only problem is, how do you cut a preview to make sure that you don't already cover what's in the lesson? speaking personally, if I were to look at the site as a newbie, I'd be trying to get the most from the previews (cos I'm a cheap git)
I think its fair enough to offer a preview that is along the lines of, but not the same quality as, what you're going to buy.
I'll try to use an analogy, cos I don't think that came out quite right:
Let's say you want to eat some of a particular chocolate cake: either you have to buy a whole one, or you can get a small piece for free: which will you do? would you buy the whole cake?
now lets say,you're offered a slice of carrot cake for free instead: maybe its good quality, but its not exactly what you wanted: however, as its made by the same people who make the chocolate cake, you can guess that the chocolate cake is going to be pretty decent. So then you're mor likely to buy the chocolate cake next time.
damn, now i want cake...
do you get the gist of what I mean?
only problem is, how do you cut a preview to make sure that you don't already cover what's in the lesson? speaking personally, if I were to look at the site as a newbie, I'd be trying to get the most from the previews (cos I'm a cheap git)
I think its fair enough to offer a preview that is along the lines of, but not the same quality as, what you're going to buy.
I'll try to use an analogy, cos I don't think that came out quite right:
Let's say you want to eat some of a particular chocolate cake: either you have to buy a whole one, or you can get a small piece for free: which will you do? would you buy the whole cake?
now lets say,you're offered a slice of carrot cake for free instead: maybe its good quality, but its not exactly what you wanted: however, as its made by the same people who make the chocolate cake, you can guess that the chocolate cake is going to be pretty decent. So then you're mor likely to buy the chocolate cake next time.
damn, now i want cake...
do you get the gist of what I mean?
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Another quibble I just thought of. Surely poigeek implies that this will be the geeky side of poi spinning - i.e. technical terms (even if they are not the ones used on HoP) rather than descriptive terms for the move as a whole? I'd have thought something along the lines of poimadeeasy would be more accurate.
Another quibble I just thought of. Surely poigeek implies that this will be the geeky side of poi spinning - i.e. technical terms (even if they are not the ones used on HoP) rather than descriptive terms for the move as a whole? I'd have thought something along the lines of poimadeeasy would be more accurate.
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as i said, the preview could just show snapshots little 10second clips here and there. im not saying the preview should be a whole paid lesson or even a small part of one.
but little 10second clips from different parts of a paid lesson would show us what icon was talking about. the effort that has been put into the environment its been shot in, the colour coding etc...
IMO that would tempt more people into forking out the cash than having a preview that is of lower quality and not as good as free equivalents.
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only problem is, how do you cut a preview to make sure that you don't already cover what's in the lesson? speaking personally, if I were to look at the site as a newbie, I'd be trying to get the most from the previews (cos I'm a cheap git)
Let's say you want to eat some of a particular chocolate cake: either you have to buy a whole one, or you can get a small piece for free: which will you do? would you buy the whole cake?
as i said, the preview could just show snapshots little 10second clips here and there. im not saying the preview should be a whole paid lesson or even a small part of one.
but little 10second clips from different parts of a paid lesson would show us what icon was talking about. the effort that has been put into the environment its been shot in, the colour coding etc...
IMO that would tempt more people into forking out the cash than having a preview that is of lower quality and not as good as free equivalents.
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I did think that, but that's just branding...
It's like when you buy anything with "Pro" in the title (golf clubs, guitars, software) it's never for professionals, it just makes it sound good.
I did think that, but that's just branding...
It's like when you buy anything with "Pro" in the title (golf clubs, guitars, software) it's never for professionals, it just makes it sound good.
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"As a quibble - the free preview isn't a lesson, it just shows the move(s)... so "Free lessons" is still mis-leading."
I direct you to this free lesson:
https://www.homeofpoi.com/lessons_all/teach/Library-POI-Advanced-Weaves-Pendulum-weave-15s-3_40_164
How is this different?
I suggest that if any of you really feel you have constructive criticism, you send it to Glitter Girl so that she may make her site and company better.
"As a quibble - the free preview isn't a lesson, it just shows the move(s)... so "Free lessons" is still mis-leading."
I direct you to this free lesson:
https://www.homeofpoi.com/lessons_all/teach/Library-POI-Advanced-Weaves-Pendulum-weave-15s-3_40_164
How is this different?
I suggest that if any of you really feel you have constructive criticism, you send it to Glitter Girl so that she may make her site and company better.
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Im sorry, I just realized that there is a link to an ACTUAL FREE LESSON at the top right of the home page (in the box that says Subscribe, click the "Poi Video Lesson Free in iTunes" link)
This will download the 118MB podcast in iTunes of 1 full lesson.
Im sorry, I just realized that there is a link to an ACTUAL FREE LESSON at the top right of the home page (in the box that says Subscribe, click the "Poi Video Lesson Free in iTunes" link)
This will download the 118MB podcast in iTunes of 1 full lesson.
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(insert generic grumbling about itunes here)
(insert generic grumbling about itunes here)
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mmm - i have an inherent dislike for itunes too, and it has stopped me downloading anything too.
as for opinions on the site - well, its not how i would do it, but in general i think paying for work done is fine.
mmm - i have an inherent dislike for itunes too, and it has stopped me downloading anything too.
as for opinions on the site - well, its not how i would do it, but in general i think paying for work done is fine.
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**well-founded generic grumbling**
is there any other option to d/l not thro itunes? that could put some people off
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(insert generic grumbling about itunes here)
**well-founded generic grumbling**
is there any other option to d/l not thro itunes? that could put some people off
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Cos the demo of the archer weave just shows the move, at least mine has instructions...
I didn't find the free full lesson (under the "Subscribe" link as you mention above) - and 'cos I don't use iTunes I can't see that anyway.
(Besides, that's only one lesson - not "Free Lessons" as in the header" )
GG is more than welcome to come back here, (especially what her "fame" and everything ) to read the comments peopel have left. Though if previous threads are an indicator, I doubt it would be constructive.
(I'd like to re-iterate that aside from the minor quibbles previously mentioned, I'm not at all against PoiGeek - I think Bluecat's comments are a pretty accurate)
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"As a quibble - the free preview isn't a lesson, it just shows the move(s)... so "Free lessons" is still mis-leading."
I direct you to this free lesson:
https://www.homeofpoi.com/lessons_all/teach/Library-POI-Advanced-Weaves-Pendulum-weave-15s-3_40_164
How is this different?
Cos the demo of the archer weave just shows the move, at least mine has instructions...
I didn't find the free full lesson (under the "Subscribe" link as you mention above) - and 'cos I don't use iTunes I can't see that anyway.
(Besides, that's only one lesson - not "Free Lessons" as in the header"
)GG is more than welcome to come back here, (especially what her "fame" and everything
) to read the comments peopel have left. Though if previous threads are an indicator, I doubt it would be constructive.(I'd like to re-iterate that aside from the minor quibbles previously mentioned, I'm not at all against PoiGeek - I think Bluecat's comments are a pretty accurate)
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Yes... I know... Im not a big fan of iTunes or anything Mac related for that matter...
However, it is the only thing that offers copyright protection so that others can't steal/share the content.
If for some reason it isn't working for you (and you have the appropriate software) I don't know why. I tried it myself and it worked just fine.
Yes... I know... Im not a big fan of iTunes or anything Mac related for that matter...
However, it is the only thing that offers copyright protection so that others can't steal/share the content.
If for some reason it isn't working for you (and you have the appropriate software) I don't know why. I tried it myself and it worked just fine.
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Stargazer
6,650 posts
6,650 posts
Posted:
As far as I got it by now, the only thing I object is to promote names that fuel the Babylon and to promote tutors "having gained international recognition" by posting here on HoP... [Old link]
Apart from that your idea is okay - the audience will decide. I would get my eyes bleeding, to get tuition of my iPod (apart from violently disliking the faschist Apple and Microsoft empires)... if the vids aim for that part of the community... I'm wishing you best of luck.
What I personally think is sad, is that the community appears to be split (as OWD indicates)... are we falling into the same trap as all the other (mainstream) communities before us?
Personally I don't support splinter(cell)s anymore.
As far as I got it by now, the only thing I object is to promote names that fuel the Babylon and to promote tutors "having gained international recognition" by posting here on HoP... [Old link]
Apart from that your idea is okay - the audience will decide. I would get my eyes bleeding, to get tuition of my iPod (apart from violently disliking the faschist Apple and Microsoft empires)... if the vids aim for that part of the community... I'm wishing you best of luck.
What I personally think is sad, is that the community appears to be split (as OWD indicates)... are we falling into the same trap as all the other (mainstream) communities before us?
Personally I don't support splinter(cell)s anymore.
the best smiles are the ones you lead to
SILVER Member
enthusiast
315 posts
Location: Melbourne, Australia
enthusiast
315 posts
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posted:
Personally, I don't like PoiGeek or Glittergirl for the same reasons that've been listed previously. Outside of that, I'm against the commercialisation of poi. Paying for a performance or workshops is one thing, because you're paying to receive in the flesh teaching and for the development of a friendship or to watch fantastic twirling before your eyes. Regardless of this though, the poi community is so friendly by nature that you needn't really pay for these things, and a lot of the time it is more charitable by nature than commercial (from my experience).
To bring money into the realm of poi is to ultimately bring competition into it also. As soon as there's decent money to be made from such things, the human conditions of greed and selfishness come into play. By teaching for free you're increasing the competition for performances and workshops, and I personally am against aggressive competition within this community.
Nick Woolsey, one of my idols, gives poi tutorials to an incredibly high quality for free on the internet, and yet, people still pay to go to his workshops and to see him perform, even though they probably could learn it for free. This is because, like I said, it is more charity than commerce. They feel that it is only right to give something back to Nick for what he's done, and he's given a lot.
PoiGeek seems counter-productive to what I see as a beautiful state of community already within existence, the pinnacle of which is HOP. That alongside the questionable methods of advertising and unnecessary re-naming of moves leaves a poor taste in my mouth.
Icon, I can tell you've poured a lot of time into this, and you are one of my favourite twirlers, I mean you no offense, I'm just trying to express my opinion on the matter.
There's more thoughts in my head on this issue, but this post is quite long as it is.
Personally, I don't like PoiGeek or Glittergirl for the same reasons that've been listed previously. Outside of that, I'm against the commercialisation of poi. Paying for a performance or workshops is one thing, because you're paying to receive in the flesh teaching and for the development of a friendship or to watch fantastic twirling before your eyes. Regardless of this though, the poi community is so friendly by nature that you needn't really pay for these things, and a lot of the time it is more charitable by nature than commercial (from my experience).
To bring money into the realm of poi is to ultimately bring competition into it also. As soon as there's decent money to be made from such things, the human conditions of greed and selfishness come into play. By teaching for free you're increasing the competition for performances and workshops, and I personally am against aggressive competition within this community.
Nick Woolsey, one of my idols, gives poi tutorials to an incredibly high quality for free on the internet, and yet, people still pay to go to his workshops and to see him perform, even though they probably could learn it for free. This is because, like I said, it is more charity than commerce. They feel that it is only right to give something back to Nick for what he's done, and he's given a lot.
PoiGeek seems counter-productive to what I see as a beautiful state of community already within existence, the pinnacle of which is HOP. That alongside the questionable methods of advertising and unnecessary re-naming of moves leaves a poor taste in my mouth.
Icon, I can tell you've poured a lot of time into this, and you are one of my favourite twirlers, I mean you no offense, I'm just trying to express my opinion on the matter.
There's more thoughts in my head on this issue, but this post is quite long as it is.
SILVER Member
Pasta of Muppets
2,722 posts
Location: in the interwebs..., United Kingdom
Pasta of Muppets
2,722 posts
Location: in the interwebs..., United Kingdom
Posted:
With Bluecat here.
I wouldn't pay for it, but anyone who wants to, can. Its just the same as DVD's, just in a different format.
Not really bad, just different
Written by :bluecat
as for opinions on the site - well, its not how i would do it, but in general i think paying for work done is fine.
With Bluecat here.
I wouldn't pay for it, but anyone who wants to, can. Its just the same as DVD's, just in a different format.
Not really bad, just different
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