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Cyrille
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Posted:As promised, here is the english version. I'm really sorry for having taken so much time...
but you know what a student's life is!;)
http://cjoint.com/?jwwHetHyMP


I'll present a workshop based on this article at the EJC.
Do not hesitate to ask questions and send remarks!!!

Cyrille

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Hi everybody!

I would like to present you a few research of mine. I used this article to prepare my work shop at BCC conv'3 <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> It is only written in french for the moment, but I hope you will understant it just by seeing the drawings.

<a href="http://cjoint.com/data/ezoYfmepSH_WORK_SHOP_PARIS.doc" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://cjoint.com/data/ezoYfmepSH_WORK_SHOP_PARIS.doc</a>

Cyrille [color:"red"] [/color] [color:"green"] [/color]

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Durbs
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Posted:I think i get most of it - except the double square...

I don't see how you've got the poi/staff head following the hand so both form a square? Wouldn't your hand have to make an anti-spin 4-petal flower for the staff heads to make a square?

Nice though smile


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aston
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Posted:Hmmm.... This will be useful to try.

Thanks.


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"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "Or you wouldn't have come here."
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AlienJon
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Posted:This is all beautiful Cyrelle! eek cool
I think I will have to have Ima translate the text to me when he gets to Fire Drums.

-Alien Jon


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Mireneye
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Posted:Goodness, that means I can stand right next to you and litsen and act like I understand =)

Wonderful work Cyrille!


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splinterific
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Posted:printed and stuck on my wall biggrin
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Posted:WOW...Have these been done!? or are they theoretical? Amazing : ) unlock Poi's True potential! Well done Man! Well Done indeed!

Today's subliminal thought is : " . ; ..." that is all.

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Richee
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Posted:Looks almost amazing, but definitely
need a translation.

CYRILLE!

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Posted:biggrin beautiful

i won't need to write up my point isolation theory now smile

AND i understood most of the words wink (the joy of having a parent in france smile )


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-sandy-
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Posted:Great. My head went; yes, yes, got it, ok, riiiight, nope you've now entirely lost me. Been ages since somethings done that, thanks.

But please could someone translate it? rolleyes my french is poor at best and id love to read it all.


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Neon_Shaolin
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Posted:I'm more of a diagram kinda guy anyway...

Translation unnecessary... tongue

Practice? Another matter entirely... confused


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mcp
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Posted:rob, ima, olive? Can somebody please do a translation?

"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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splinterific
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Posted:iv asking a friend on dmp to translate... silly bugger is finishing his college dissertation at the moment though...wasters in college frown

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Richee
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Posted:I like the way document describe pattern symmetry,

especially the 'line symmetry'.



I meen the difference, between shape beeing horiz-

ontal or vertical and pattern init, beeing horizontal

or vertical as well.



Example can be, vertical circle with vertical line

of (pattern) symetry and vertical circle with hor-

izontal symetry.



I meen this is especially interesting in case of asym-

etric shape by point.



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Am I right Cirille?



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Cyrille
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Posted:Yes you are right Richee! smile

To all, I would like to excuse me to not care about this thread. To do that, I've done a new video where you could see some forms executed with different configuration of rotation. wink
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1

Here is the french version of the pdf:
http://ftp.flood.fr/ktr/WORKSHOP_PARIS.pdf

I can now translate a sentense very general that I say:

p6:

"On all the conceivable geometrical forms, the present effects of symmetry (point or axes) can be exploited with the corresponding configurations of rotation."

Tell me want do you think about this very general sentence. confused

Cyrille ubbrollsmile


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Richee
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Posted: Written by

On all the conceivable geometrical forms, the present effects of symmetry (point or axes) can be exploited with the corresponding configurations of rotation.





I think this is partial, bacause some patterns do not change

symmetry whet rotated (point).



E: Fountain



Only those with axial symmetry can get extra configuration

by 90 degree rotation.



E: Partial arc



Prove of concept:



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 Written by

On all the conceivable geometrical forms, the present effects of axial symmetry can be exploited with the corresponding configurations of rotation.





Can be proven, that if pattern has axial symmetry, than all-

ways has point symmetry.



This also prove previous statement, that not every symmetric

pattern change when rotated.



 Written by

Let give a move 'linear' prefix. Than move is linear, when has horizontal axial symmetry.





This is importatnt statement, because you can differe now,

which axial symmetry is default.



(I preffere vertical..)



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nothing more,



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Cyrille
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Posted:Richee,

I've the impression that we didn't understood together...

In this general sentense, I'm not talking about patterns, but about GEOMETRIC FORMS (lines, triangles, squares ...).

Let us see an example:
If for exemple you want to play with your hand on a vertical line, I say that you could play on this form by using the symmetric effects who are present on this form.

A vertical line has a point of central symmetry and two axe of symmetry (verticable and horizontable).

By making correspond these symetries in the corresponding rotations of the poi:

*You could play on the vertical line with poi rotating in the same way at the same time (hands are here also jointed and move at the same time). I would say here that there is a "double" effect because the two poi do the same think at the same time.
*Poi could also rotate in opposite (hands are also jointed and move at the same time). we are playing in fact here, we the verticable axe of symetry).
*Poi could rotate in opposite split time(hand begin at the opposite point of the line, using in fact the horizontable axe of symmetry).
*You can also use the point of symmetry and have your poi rotating in same direction in split time (hand no jointed, doing the line in split time too, begining at the opposite point of the line).


So this setense do not generelize all the patterns we can do (!!!), but only the moves who exploit geometric forms and the symmetry on these geometric forms.

I thinks the words I'm using are not universal in poi discussion.

I just think the basic geometry (just forms and symmetry) could be beneficialy used in poi practice. That is the principal point I explain in the article. By understanding just the sentense I've traducted, I think you could understand also the methode I wanted to explain in the article. Next time in work shop, It will be a pleasure for me to explain again what I wanted to share with you.

But please,
Just play and have pleasure.

Cyrille


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Richee
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Posted: Written by

A vertical line has a point of central symmetry and two axe of symmetry (verticable and horizontable).





FORGET THE DIRECTION!

& FORGET THE TIME!



True, what that meen:



- Your A = B and your C = D.



Because, you can simplify this by fact, that everytime your hands

separete from each other, you can create an axis of symmetry

between them.



The second axis is parallel to the fist, but you can't usually touch

this kind of virtual. But throuht rotation, specially 90 degree.



What you are thinking about is changing of playing "offline" VS

"online". that is actually something different, but also nice and

very usefull.



--------



EDIT: I've found yesterday the third technique,

but I can't get it out of the mind.



that all,



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Cyrille
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Posted:Yep!ubbrollsmile

English version is now avalaible!ubbrollsmile

For free!!!ubbrollsmile

XoXo hug


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bentforkx
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Posted:Merci beaucoup Cyrille,
Je parle en francais un peu

OK you can stop laughing now, thank you very much for the amazing discertation. Some of the concepts are mind scambling!!! I will be wrapping my poi around these for months (probably years)to come!!

Thank you again, and very nice work
Ben weavesmiley


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aston
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Posted:w00t!

Now I can do more than look at the pretty pictures. :P


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AlienJon
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Posted:Great work Cyrille!!

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Richee
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Posted:
Non-Https Image Link




I'd like to stick out some interesting chaptes from this document:



I like,



-MAIN SYMMETRY EFFECTS

-4 TIMES ROSETTE



(Full matrix, please.)



-4 PETALS FLOWER



(Again.)



-METHOD



Very nice, well encounter main synmmetry effects.



-OTHER WAY TO DRAW FORMS



Square assembly? What about disassembly.



Point to point = Master path

Linear hybrid = Trammel (..)

Special = Ge's link



Look this picturez!



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#Ge's engine



E: 00 - * -> (different focus function)

E: 01 - * -> (different focus function)

E: 10 - point

E: 11 - lock-out

E: 21 - snake

E: 12 - flower 1/2



H: 00 - * -> (different focus function)

H: 01 - * -> (different focus function)

H: 10 - circle

H: 11 - * -> ?

H: 21 - ?!! strange picture by the way, kind of spiral or what..

H: 12 - trammel

H: 22 - * -> ?

...

...



Hmm..buggy.



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LAte research fo further study:



http://wolfram.mathworld.com



->



-Focus

-Conic section directrix

-Reflection property

-Trisektrix

-Helix

-Space curve

-Plane curve

-Fundamental theorem of space curves

-Fundamental theorem of plane curves

-Sphelical helix

-Curve of constant precession

-Indicatrix



http://2dcurves.com



-> ALL



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Full izolation is possible by the way, with lock cheat.



I want to search through firesoul,



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G4dget
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Posted:I'm not sure this document is working for me. I only see french files, is the English one nonexistent or broken?

I found the link in another thread however it also just takes me to a french site that appears to want me to upload something? Any help would be great.

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aston
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Posted:I have a copy, might be the older French one.

Will pm Cyrille and ask if I can mirror it, doubt he will mind, but there *is* such a thing as protocol.

Will update in a day or two. smile

To be honest, even the French one is very useful though, the idea is that you can use those shapes in combination with variations in spin direction and timing to get a wide range of shapes.


'We're all mad here. I'm mad, you're mad." [said the Cat.]
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "Or you wouldn't have come here."
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DrexFactor
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Posted:I've got a mirror of it posted here in Word and PDF format: http://www.drexfactor.com/reference/poi_spinning_and_geometry
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I've been meaning to make an HTML version as well, but it's kind of rough with the way the document is put together. Hopefully someday soon! smile


Peace,
Drex

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yhvh83
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Posted:Great Job!!
Here is my 5 cents, a friend who is , lets say more into esoteric functions of life, Mentioned in Geometry that applies to the esoteric means of life and reality( Sacred Geometry) How these patterns and the patterns of Poi and other fire arts have a great impact on consciousness( expanding and evolving). For example the Star of David or Mer ke ba and the Heptagonal Star as well, have a effect - what this effect is, i cant say, because its different for everyone. But i find it amazing the correlations to symmetry and movement and fire and what they can do for us.
Keep it coming


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Posted:Originally Posted By: yhvh83Great Job!!
Here is my 5 cents, a friend who is , lets say more into esoteric functions of life, Mentioned in Geometry that applies to the esoteric means of life and reality( Sacred Geometry) How these patterns and the patterns of Poi and other fire arts have a great impact on consciousness( expanding and evolving). For example the Star of David or Mer ke ba and the Heptagonal Star as well, have a effect - what this effect is, i cant say, because its different for everyone. But i find it amazing the correlations to symmetry and movement and fire and what they can do for us.
Keep it coming


Well said my friend


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aston
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Posted:Originally Posted By: DrexFactorI've got a mirror of it posted here in Word and PDF format: http://www.drexfactor.com/reference/poi_spinning_and_geometry
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I've been meaning to make an HTML version as well, but it's kind of rough with the way the document is put together. Hopefully someday soon! smile

I will put another one up at some point then, but no rush. (Watch me forget.... ;))


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"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "Or you wouldn't have come here."
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G4dget
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Posted:Thank you guys!! I wanted the English version to be able to read since right now i am going through physical therapy to fix a shoulder injury and can't spin for awhile. Now when I'm healed up i will have lots of theories to put into practice.

Happiness runs in a circular motion!!

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triptrician
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Posted:awesome awesome article Cyrille!!! and a big thank you to drex for mirroring that for us

would rather have a bottle-in-front-of-me than a frontal lobotomy

"The dangers of life are infinate and among them is safety"(geothe)

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