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Alhimik


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Posted:*******************



Dear colleagues,



Pair of days back, an accident happened in Peter, a girl from Fire Team "VASANA" got burn-shock and burns of 40 to 45 % of her body

(she came forward on stilts, and brushed against a bottom suits by triple-poi, a suit burned up as a result)





Now she is in a reanimation in the as heavy as lead state. That to rescue her life, she must do numerous operations on transplantation of skin.










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Here news with VIDEOS about happening:



http://www.kp.ru/daily/24086/318716



or here:

http://www.5-tv.ru/news/details.php?newsId=10022



or here:

http://www.fontanka.ru/2008/04/21/110/



or here:

http://www.metro-russia.com/news/rubrics/rss/artistka_postradala_vo_vremya_ognennogo_shou





Who does not have knowledge of Russian, here translation:



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23-year-old girl injured during the fire-show at the opening of the second International Olympiad "Vostok-Zapad" ("East-West").



According to preliminary data provided by the Journalist Investigation Agency (AZHUR), the girl was spinning triple-poi and her clothes caught fire.

According to the medical press-centre, the girl got burn-shock and burns of 40 to 45 % of her body. In grave condition she was brought to the Scientific Research

Institute of acute medical care and placed in after-burn reanimation ward.

The girl is in desperate and urgent need of donor blood - at the present treatment stage she needs 1 litre of blood plasma per day. Any blood group will do.

For detailed information - contact Stepan Martov: 89119062233 и 89522039939 or http://vkontakte.ru/club2471182



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[*edit by Malcolm]As per site rules asking for money is not allowed on this site. Please contact direct if you wish to help.[/edit]



It not drawing, it is a true... frown



with all questions:

ICQ: 343-728-546

e-mail: eastfire@mail.ru





Sorry my English.



WBR,

Sergey Nevzorov (People relation and IT department manager of "EAST FIRE FESTIVAL 2008" http://eastfire.org/en/ )


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natasqi


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Posted::O

Thats terrible - I hope that the healing process is a painless as her doctors can make it.

And shown by those pictures (which are terrific), I'm sure that she will be missed in the fire scene.

Another timely reminder that all fire performers should know first aid AND donate blood because you never know when you'll need it.


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Pele
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Pele

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Posted:Just for the knowledge of everyone.



The first video is the long version which shows the reprocussions of the whole thing (putting her out and taking care of her, to her walking out of the arena).



The second is the same video editted into a newsclip.



I couldn't get the 3rd to load.



The 4th wasn't a video but a russian article for me.





It's such a horrible thing to have happened.

Alhimik, do you have more details that could help members here? What was the costume made of to burn so quickly?

What she the one spinning or did she walk into someone spinning?





My heart goes out to Kseniya, her loved ones and her family.


Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK

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Alhimik


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Posted: Written by :Pele


Alhimik, do you have more details that could help members here? What was the costume made of to burn so quickly?
What she the one spinning or did she walk into someone spinning?


My heart goes out to Ksenia, her loved ones and her family.




He was done from very thin cotton fabric, and probably a fuel on him got before twisting.


Here complete translation of the first article(sorry my English):


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Girl Set on Fire During Fire Show in. St. Petersburg
Now Ksyusha is balancing between life and death
By Irina Brikina 23.04.2008

A posh fire show at the opening of Martial Arts Olympics, that has ended in St. Petersburg these days at sports complex Peterburgsky was near to a tragedy. A 23-year old Kseniya Ivanova was on the scene with sp called fire snakes when suddenly spurts of flame blazed up on her legs. Fire flared up her back. The girl tried to slip backstage unnoticed not to spoil her colleagues performance.

Assistants who were nearby tried to put out the blaze. When the doctors came rushing Kseniya was conscious. She could even walk to the ambulance car.

Doctors of resuscitation department of Dzhanelidze Emergence Ambulance Research Institute diagnosed ambustion of 45% of body surface.

- Yesterdy she started coming out of shock. They make her pain killer injections all the time now. girls boyfriend, Stepan Martov is saying The critical period shall last for a mpnth. Doctors say if she lasts it shell survive.

The girl has her legs burnt, her stomach and back also affected. She needs donor blood now. Loads of it.

- Ksyusha (as family and friends call her) needs at least five donors a day to survive Stepan sais We search for the people who are ready to help. Their blood type doesnt matter. You can give your blood to exchange it in blood bank for the type required.

Stepans relatives and friends have already donated their blood. But that is not enough.

How could this have happened? According to Stepan, Ksyusha was working fire shows for over four years. She was never afraid of anything she was considered a true specialist.



Colleagues think of Ivanova as of true specialist
(picture taken from family archive)

- Every fire show artist with years of experience has this risk of getting burned. Alexander Tsaregorodtsev, Gelios Fire Theatre Director sais. Of course, we try to minimize it. But this is what work with fire is! When someone is performin with snakes a slight touch on the costume is enough for the combustible to get into the fabric. If the costume is not made of leather, the clothes become a burning wick.

Although the reason to the tragedy might have been different. According to Alexander, theyve had cases of people burn injuries due to bad kerosene quality.
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Ksyusha and Stepan were supposed to get married in two months. Stepan believes that his beloved will certainly get well.

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the other details are now specified...


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Alhimik


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Posted:sorry, my English very poor...I will answer as far as possible.

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Pele
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Pele

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Location: WNY, USA

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Posted:Alhimik, your english is really not bad.
Thank you so much for trying and for giving as much information as you have.
Thank you.


Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK

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sichainey
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Posted:Hey everyone

Ive emailed the above people to ask for clearer directions of how to donate money from the UK as im not 100% sure from the above text.

This is clearly a devasting and life changing incident for this poor girl. Some of you may or may not know me and what I do as a day job? I work for the Fire service so can vouch that this will take months/years to fix..... if at all.

My thoughts are with this girl.


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Alhimik


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Total posts: 6
Posted:sichainey, thank you for words.
you will simply pray
for her!


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Skatto
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Skatto

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Posted:My heart goes out for this girl =\ frown

Skatto

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Be the small bookcase."

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Yakumo
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Posted:just frown



Very upsetting video. poor, poor girl frown



http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3...=en&ie=UTF8



another blog on this (link is google translation from Russian), with the same account numbers.



I can see the biggest problem with the language barrier here is getting non Russian speakers who want to donate enough assurance that the accounts WILL be used for her assistance only and it's not a scam from a quick thinking ambulance chaser.


Blinded by Hyperlights, please donate generously grin

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animatEd
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Posted:...Which is why I thought fundraising and asking for money wasn't allowed on HoP...

shrug


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Malcolm
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Posted:eek frown My heart goes out to Ksyusha and Stepan. Sending strength to both of you.

"May your balls always burn"

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Malcolm
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Malcolm

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Posted: Written by :Look_This_Changes


...Which is why I thought fundraising and asking for money wasn't allowed on HoP...

shrug


True. I have removed the bank details and paragraph asking for money. But people can still contact direct if they wish.


"May your balls always burn"

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Mr_Chutney
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Posted:I found the first video pretty shocking- a stark reminder that playing with fire is dangerous and shouldn't be taken lightly.

I wish her all the best for her recovery.


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skullhunter


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Posted: Written by :Yakumo


I can see the biggest problem with the language barrier here is getting non Russian speakers who want to donate enough assurance that the accounts WILL be used for her assistance only and it's not a scam from a quick thinking ambulance chaser.



may be i can make you all sure that it's not a fake.

This our fire community post:

http://community.livejournal.com/ru_poi/859167.html

This is community about acident:

http://vkontakte.ru/club2471182

also i can give houndred links on russian fire spiners blogs where they posting same information.

Please if you can help Ksysha. She is very good and beautiful girl. Even live in another city, i know her frown

thank every one who help us. Be careful.

Skull. Moscow.


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sichainey
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Posted:This does seem very unfortunate indeed, check out this link to fire retardant spray for anyone wearing costumes when working with fire

http://www.inest.co.uk/range.asp?typeid=331


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Daedra
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Posted:I'd just like to say that my heart and wishes go out to this poor girl frown

It gives you such a wake up call when you hear about the poor people like Ksyusha who have suffered for their art.

And just goes to show that none of us should ever take what we do for granted and that we should always ensure the up most care as well.

All the best for a quick and painless recovery!

-Daedra-


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FireTom


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Posted:ubbcrying

My prayers.... apart from that I'm speechless frown


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Alhimik


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Posted:Created site for help:
http://helpksenia.com/


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PyroWill
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Posted:She is very lucky to have the support from all you guys, that website is a great idea and wish you all the best success with it!! Hope she gets better soon hug

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Valura
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Valura

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Posted:much love from australia for her. We wish her a speedy recovery..

TAJ "boat mummy." VALURA "yes sweetie you went on a boat, was daddy there with you?" TAJ "no, but monkey on boat" VALURA "well then sweetie, Daddy WAS there with you"

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feeb


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Posted:Oh how terrible!!! i'm sorry but i would have stopped and dropped straight away, regardless of whats on stage.

looked like a marvellous fire show, hope the girls alright, its amazing what doctors can do these days... best of luck goes out to russia


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Mr Majestik
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Posted:thats terrible, i guess thats the risk we take.

i dont understand what its saying about blood donations, 'any blood type will do' sounds like they're trying to use it as general publicity for more people to donate, not that thats a bad thing i guess, and it also means more people that dont know their type might go and help.


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Pyrolific
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Posted:^^^^plasma can be extracted from every blood type.

frown How terrible. Looked like a pretty professional show, I dont understand how these things can get so out of control. Was she on stilts? It looked like they were unbuckling her from stilts in the first vid I guess she could have been hard to put out if she was on stilts.


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Pele
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Pele

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Posted:Pyrolific, it does say in the article that she was on stilts at the time.
They also appeared to be metal, so I am wondering if any part of those heated up when the costume caught fire and made them more difficult to take off.
However, this would probably be a likely reason as to why she didn't do a stop, drop and roll as mentioned by Feeb.
I couldn't imagine doing a drop and roll safely from stilts while on fire. eek

Thinking of it still gives me shivers.


Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK

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Mr Majestik
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Posted: Written by :Pyrolific


^^^^plasma can be extracted from every blood type.




ah. i got confused cause you can choose to donate plasma seperately in australia. if thats what was needed they could have asked for that, but i guess like i said before the more blood in the system the better for all patients.


"but have you considered there is more to life than your eyelids?"

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Charles
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Posted:A terrible incident... Just terrible...

Please don't let this womans pain be for nothing, let it be a reminder to all of us that fire is NOT completely predictable, and the potential is always there for horrific injuries to spinners AND those around them.

ALWAYS be fully prepared for it getiing out of control and have the equipment there to deal with it or don't lit up at all...

Also, finally, while it may go against everything we learn as aentertainer, DO NOT think of the show if you feel you may be in trouble. Scream for help at the top of your lungs and let your safeties know immediately.

Excuse my language, but bugger the show if you or anyone else is in danger...


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splinterific
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Posted: Written by :Charles


Excuse my language, but bugger the show if you or anyone else is in danger...



im afraid i have to echo this. all my best to her and her family but please folks, be careful and if in danger like this then scream... i understand many of you are professionals but are you willing to risk your life for a show?


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Posted: Written by :Pele



Pyrolific, it does say in the article that she was on stilts at the time.

They also appeared to be metal, so I am wondering if any part of those heated up when the costume caught fire and made them more difficult to take off.

However, this would probably be a likely reason as to why she didn't do a stop, drop and roll as mentioned by Feeb.

I couldn't imagine doing a drop and roll safely from stilts while on fire. eek



Thinking of it still gives me shivers.





bloody good point, hadn't thought of that, i really do hope shes alright and didnt mean to suggest any disrespect toward her



surely in this sort of professional situation, fire safety is of upmost importance, if i were juggling fire on props which prevented me from putting myself out, i would want someone nearby with a fire blanket.



Please please please tell me this IS something people thinking about before throwing flaming things around their heads... doesnt bear thinking about!



Also, i would imagine gaining some kind of compensation from insurance companies, the company hiring her who clearly didnt have fire saftey in place (or enough at least) would be far more profitable than scouting forums



i wish you the best of luck i really do, just trying to look at this logically.

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Cody
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Posted:My best wishes to that girl. I was almost hospitalized for a burn on my leg but was able to avoid a skin graft and attend daily wound care. That experience was the most painful in my life and I have learned from it. She has a long road ahead of her and I feel really sorry for her.

It did look like a professional show and you can see the safeties running around. We all can get a bit complacent from time to time but then it's up to chance. I learned to never make a fire prop you cannot bail out of quickly and stilts fit the bill. If only they had a CO2 fire extinguisher they could have put her out really fast instead of patting her down with wet towels.

Our fire group works with very large amounts of fire and our safeties are well versed in fire extinguishers. Done right someone could have put her out while she was still on her stilts and before the fire grew.

Everybody check your props and costumes. Honor her and respect her by not taking her accident for granted.

Cody


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Posted:well said cody x

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