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onewheeldave
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Posted:reading this-



http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1



and this-



http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/2



i felt the need to make comment, but, the reply button would not work on either, so I guess they've been locked?



From the perspective of a (long-standing) member of the HOP community, i felt it was important to put forward two points-



1. why some may feel the need to talk about the banning of another long-standing member of the community, not necessarily to criticise those who made that decision, but, simply because that is what community members do when someone is exiled- they feel the need to talk about it



2. address the posted comment by a mod that, from the perspectice of a mod, any discussion of said members banning, is necessarily disrespectful to the mods



To elaborate on point 2, IMO, the discussion on the threads that have been removed or locked, did not come across as disrespectful to the mods.



To question a decision is not necessarily disrespectful.



It's true that the banning of NYC has gone largely unnoticed, till now. But, now, it has very much been noticed and, to expect this community to not talk about it, is, IMO, unrealistic.



There may be very good background reasons why it's seen as best for no discussion to take place, but, obviously, from the perspective of the community, those reasons are not known.



I know it's a difficult thing to make judgements on.



The main thing I want to say is that I find it very unpleasent when multiple threads are locked or removed, when, in my eyes, they contained nothing offensive.



I would also like the mods to examine the possibility that the pulled/stoped discussions are actually not disrespectful to HOP or the mods, but are simply members of the community discussing something which is important to them.



I'm assuming that this thread is not also going to be seen as disrespectful- it's certainly not intended as such.



If threads discussing this chain of events are going to be systematically pulled or locked, then, like many here, I'm going to be wondering whether I'm part of this community any more.



A community talks- that's the point of it.



If that talk is abusive, damaging, hurtful, then it has to be pulled- no questions about it.



But I'm concerned that what is developing here is the pulling of stuff that is not at all abusive, damaging or hurtful.



Banning someone for good reasons is one thing, but expecting the community to 'never again utter their name' is dodgy as hell smile


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Spanner
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Posted: Written by :Pyrolific


ok sorry - I'm missing what the needs of the changing community are that are so radically different to what we do now. Please be specific.

I'd be very happy for there to be input on improving things round here - if you know of techniques being used on other boards that would be good, why dont you tell us?




I can only speak for myself but I'd be willing to bet that those who also hesitate do so because when moderators aren't moderate, they're won't be perceived as approachable. You shouldn't be surprised to hear that your reply sounds slightly sarcastic and demonstrates my point.

I have a sense of deja-vu: I'm sure long previous threads on HoP issues have been locked/deleted, then when members insist on discussion, moderators leave them open and reassure us they're listening and that changes will be implemented, which suggests progress, but this seems to be later forgotten and the circle starts again.

Until a thread like this, what should be the moderator teams united response just looks like one moderator's one response. Looking at moderators' posts, too many don't post regularly for months until a time like this, when their sudden presence on far less controversial threads around the same time seems far more for the sake of being seen to do something rather than actually doing it. I understand life gets between everyone and HoP sometimes, but I'd expect that if this was going to be the case long term for a moderator, for them either to step down temporarily or hand over to someone who can keep their ear to the ground. Otherwise, it currently seems that moderators are being called back in, coming in late on proceedings to formulate a very disorganised and inconsistent response.

Some time ago I reported a known troublemaker returning under another name. One moderator response was that this person had just as much right to be on the forums as anyone else, thank you very much. The other banned them and thanked me for spotting him as they wouldn't have biggrin I've also seen evidence that one moderator isn't using the search often enough to know that if you search for something only under "All Forums", it won't help to "Please wait a few minutes and try again" because it never works. In this thread another is apparently unaware that non-moderators can move threads. I'm sure those moderators still care very much about HoP, but maybe not enough to forgo their privileges for the greater good, so I'm not surprised that the issues of who does and doesn't care is coming up time and again.

I'm generalising again, because I have to go out in a minute, but there is a lot of other people's points I'd like to respond to, so for now I'm just going to echo what others have said about hoping that this thread hasn't been done away with in the meantime and that some heated response is understandable when people are posting what they can, when and while they can.


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flash fire
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Posted:In the meantime, please enjoy this picture of the horse head nebula.


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flash fire
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Posted: Written by :Spanner



I'm sure those moderators still care very much about HoP, but maybe not enough to forgo their privileges for the greater good, so I'm not surprised that the issues of who does and doesn't care is coming up time and again.







You really are assuming quite a lot here, and given that it's specifically about me, I will address it directly.



I already offered to stand down and hand my mod status to someone more relevant, so please do not pass your judgement on what I do and don't do for the greater good of this community until you at the very least have a conversation with me about it. Yeah sure my presence in other threads has been a seemingly token effort of late, but did you stop to consider that I am merely trying to reestablish myself in a community that, for reasons you can't possibly know, had become distant to me over the last... ohhh couple of years of my very long, voluntary and not always easy tenure? I'm not asking for a pat on the back, but I am moderately (punny harhar) irked by your insinuation that I care more for my "priviledges" than I do for the ongoing sustainability of this community.



Seriously.



You have clearly taken issue with me, as indicated in your earlier post where you snipped my apology for speaking out of line and took the opportunity to call me out on it again. If you would like to discuss an issue you have with me, or my moderation style I am more than happy to address it with you in PM. Alternatively, Malcolm is the right person to speak with if you have a serious grievance.


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brainstorma
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Posted:Yakumo what i think you have missed in ade's post is thins little aussy thing we like to call sarcasm

"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, champagne in one hand, strawberries in the other, body thoroughly used up, and screaming "WOO-HOO What a ride!"

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Doc Lightning
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Posted: Written by :Durbs


Pong biggrin

(P.S. isn't talking about drugs a banning offence? wink

I agree with all the above.



YOU're talking about drugs. I'm talking about this odd apparatus that is spewing smoke.


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faith enfire
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Posted:I don't fear the moderators. I lose my temper here all the time.
And I don't think Pele misuses her "powers" either. But because she is a frequent poster and not always an agreeable one-but passionate-sometimes it gets percieved as an abuse


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Yakumo
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Posted: Written by :brainstorma



Yakumo what i think you have missed in ade's post is thins little aussy thing we like to call sarcasm



And if you re-read my post you'll see I specifically mention that I know their post is sarcasm, but it gave me the excuse to go into detail about forum management. smile


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Gnor
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Posted: Written by

YOU're talking about drugs. I'm talking about this odd apparatus that is spewing smoke.


Did the magic blue smoke escape?


Is it the Truth?
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Will it build Goodwill and Better Friendships?
Will it be Beneficial to all concerned?

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Durbs
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Posted:Pah - i ignore your serious conversations, innappropriately grope Lightningh, spark up a fatty and watch you all fight.

Meg - Tom called you a... wink


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jo_rhymes
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Posted:I completely agree with LTC's post.

That is all smile (he's already said it for me!)


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Doc Lightning
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Posted: Written by :flash fire


I already offered to stand down and hand my mod status to someone more relevant



Over my dead body! hug


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Spanner
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Posted: Written by :flash fire



You really are assuming quite a lot here,







I'm really not, hence the use of the word "maybe". The only thing I've stated is that I'm sure moderators care a lot about HoP, but I'm sure that's not what you're denying.



 Written by

and given that it's specifically about me, I will address it directly.





It's really not just about you either, hence the plural. As I've stated before in this thread, it's not me who's making my opinion of the moderators personal.





 Written by :flash fire

Yeah sure my presence in other threads has been a seemingly token effort of late, but did you stop to consider that I am merely trying to reestablish myself in a community that, for reasons you can't possibly know, had become distant to me over the last... ohhh couple of years of my very long, voluntary and not always easy tenure?





Yes I did, but this was also what I was talking about when I said I had a sense of deja-vu, meaning that this isn't the first time I've seen moderators do this, then disappear when it's all died down, because again, I'm not just talking about you.



(If I don't respond to something someone's directed at me in future, it won't be because because I'm ignoring them, it'll be because I'll have already made myself reasonably clear and I'm bored of having had to already repeat myself several times in this thread alone smile )



 Written by :flash fire



You have clearly taken issue with me, as indicated in your earlier post where you snipped my apology for speaking out of line and took the opportunity to call me out on it again.







I clearly haven't taken issue with you as personally as you seem to think I have. I also clearly didn't only snip your apology, just solely included the part relevant to my post. Pointing out that the line between member opinion and moderator action was a grey area rather than a simple matter wasn't a call out, just a heads up that my suggestion may be helpful to moderators in avoiding similar situations.



 Written by :flash fire

I already offered to stand down and hand my mod status to someone more relevant







And I'm glad that you seem to share my opinion that it's the appropriate thing to do. One question here then, is why your offer wasn't implemented. I'm intending to write a bit more about due diligence possibly being a more viable option than decreasing or replacing moderators later, but thought you'd probably appreciate this clarification earlier as you sounded upset again.


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georgemc
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Posted: Written by :Spanner


And I'm glad that you seem to share my opinion that it's the appropriate thing to do. One question here then, is why your offer wasn't implemented.


[putsadminhaton]
It hasn't been implemented because not everybody has the same opinion. Many people believe that even the not so active Mods still have a place on the board (see Mike's response above for example).
Also it hasn't been implemented because it really is still too early to have correctly gauged the pulse of the majority, made decisions and had time to implement them. For example, if we were to replace/add a new mod, we all need to agree this is the correct thing to do (which takes time since the coffee table is distributed in different parts of the world with different personal schedules and priorities etc), and then we need to talk to the selected candidate(s) which might take time because they are in different locations on different priority schedules and then we find they don't wish to be a mod so have to repeat this for the next on the list etc. Rambling - some things take time - especially when we are making important decisions without necessarily having heard from the majority of the members (70,000 members but how many have posted here? [yes, I know - probably enough to guage a reasonable representation, but you get my point I hope]).

It may sound "old" but we are listening and discussing now. Soon we will be acting and you will see some results of that. The last thing we want to do is to make a knee-jerk reaction that turns out to be wrong. Usually in this world, the good things take time. ubbrollsmile

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Rouge Dragon
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Posted:I like how George has a mod had and an admin hat. I wonder if they're different colours...

 Written by : LTC


When Meg talks about people being more useful than others (sorry Rob, just putting it to rest, I hope) I think she means 'some people are more active than others'. there's no descrimination there, she's stating a fact. another thing that is getting too hard to do for almost everybody nowadays.



Which is why she singles out Tom when she says it? I would think that Tom is more 'active' than MCP which then makes your interpretation very controversial. I think that if issues need to be brought to light then they need to be done so clearly and without a very large spectrum of interpretation, especially if it's to do with a "fact" as opposing interpretations make facts impossible to determine!

Possibly the same problem with Ade's post? I thought it was hilarious! But it seems that some people didn't understand the sarcasm and this has now caused some problems. Sarcasm might be fine in some threads, but for serious threads maybe something with a large potential for misunderstanding should be actively avoided?

 Written by : LTC


Pele seems to me to be very defensive a lot of the time when there's no need to be, and does come across as authoritarian. ANd when an argument heats up at her, she "tags in" (her words) the boyfriend to handle it for her, who just respouts her opinions in a more offensive tone. Not exactly moderator conduct?



Thanks for saying that Ed because that brings up something I've been thinking but never had the courage to say. hug I've wanted to approach mods about something in the past but didnt for that very reason.


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brainstorma
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Posted: Written by :Doc Lightning


 Written by :flash fire


I already offered to stand down and hand my mod status to someone more relevant



Over my dead body! hug



as he said
over our dead bodies


"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, champagne in one hand, strawberries in the other, body thoroughly used up, and screaming "WOO-HOO What a ride!"

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georgemc
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Posted: Written by :Yakumo


Love the new tabs at the top of HOP smile
Could the edit boxes be made 100-120 chars wide or so instead of 60, and maybe a few more lines also?
<snip>
A smidgin of javascript to make it user scalable would be a most excellent alternative.


offtopic but:
Was going to just PM you but thought others might want to know also.
You can change the width and height of the edit boxes in your account settings. The ones you mention are the default.

Java-script - yes, lots of fun and goodness can be done with Javascript but at the moment it is not sufficiently cross-browser compatible. Malcolm's done a lot of investigation about this and other related items in the lead up to the new tabs. Full Java functionality for certain features isn't supported on several of the browsers that we know are used by several HoPpers.


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Pyrolific
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Posted: Written by :Spanner



 Written by :Pyrolific



ok sorry - I'm missing what the needs of the changing community are that are so radically different to what we do now. Please be specific.



I'd be very happy for there to be input on improving things round here - if you know of techniques being used on other boards that would be good, why dont you tell us?







I can only speak for myself but I'd be willing to bet that those who also hesitate do so because when moderators aren't moderate, they're won't be perceived as approachable. You shouldn't be surprised to hear that your reply sounds slightly sarcastic and demonstrates my point.



I have a sense of deja-vu: I'm sure long previous threads on HoP issues have been locked/deleted, then when members insist on discussion, moderators leave them open and reassure us they're listening and that changes will be implemented, which suggests progress, but this seems to be later forgotten and the circle starts again.



Until a thread like this, what should be the moderator teams united response just looks like one moderator's one response. Looking at moderators' posts, too many don't post regularly for months until a time like this, when their sudden presence on far less controversial threads around the same time seems far more for the sake of being seen to do something rather than actually doing it. I understand life gets between everyone and HoP sometimes, but I'd expect that if this was going to be the case long term for a moderator, for them either to step down temporarily or hand over to someone who can keep their ear to the ground. Otherwise, it currently seems that moderators are being called back in, coming in late on proceedings to formulate a very disorganised and inconsistent response.



Some time ago I reported a known troublemaker returning under another name. One moderator response was that this person had just as much right to be on the forums as anyone else, thank you very much. The other banned them and thanked me for spotting him as they wouldn't have biggrin I've also seen evidence that one moderator isn't using the search often enough to know that if you search for something only under "All Forums", it won't help to "Please wait a few minutes and try again" because it never works. In this thread another is apparently unaware that non-moderators can move threads. I'm sure those moderators still care very much about HoP, but maybe not enough to forgo their privileges for the greater good, so I'm not surprised that the issues of who does and doesn't care is coming up time and again.



I'm generalising again, because I have to go out in a minute, but there is a lot of other people's points I'd like to respond to, so for now I'm just going to echo what others have said about hoping that this thread hasn't been done away with in the meantime and that some heated response is understandable when people are posting what they can, when and while they can.





Now I read your post twice Spanner, and I might be wrong, but in all that, there were no specific suggestions for improvements. I did pick up perhaps some insinuation that some mods should step down, and that perhaps mods should act with a united front?



But really, your original post that I was responding to with my query re: specific improvement suggestions made it seem that you are a member of many other large forums where millions of things are done better than they are here.



*an open question follows to Spanner, and everyone else with absolutely no mal-intent*



Can you please now share with us some of these great ideas?



I'm sure everyone feels pretty feel safe now, given several people have mounted personal attacks, and haven't been banned. surely if you care about HOP as you say you do, you wouldnt mind posting some friendly constructive criticism?



PS - I'm surprised and saddened that you think I was being sarcastic. I like to think I'm fairly diplomatic in my conduct on HOP. If you feel like digging into my past, you will find that it hasn't always been that way..just for like...the past 4 years or so.



In fact, I've been criticised by some members for being too soft, and trying to see too much good in people and other related wussy things wink

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PyroWill
GOLD Member since Aug 2004

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Posted:I have one idea I would like to mention.



There appears to be 7 admins & mod's in total.



Malcolm, Pele, Pyrolific, flash fire, Charles, Dom, georgemc.



I personally would like to see that number increase. I think mod's should be quite tightly woven into the community or at least a couple of them.



As mentioned by Spanner, it seems by a few including me , they disappear for a while till someone states that they are absent then suddenly they are posting on multiple things....but then disappear as the tempo dies down. I think this has happened several times in the 4 years I've been on here.



I would like, simply to hypothesise say a 12-15 strong mod team, come on there are as we said over 60,000 people on the HoP community, granted that I'd say less than a thousand actually are invovled in the forums side of things (of which this is only effecting). But still 7 is a small number.



I get the feeling that since it's been this way things are unlikely to change as drastic as what I've suggested. Nor do I believe Pele will ever be removed as a mod. I don't think this thread should turn into a Pele lynching thread at all, but it would seem a lot of people have a problem with her as a mod, some from what I gather here, most from what I hear elsewhere. Yet also the general feeling is that her removal of mod status will never happen because she is 'untouchable' so to speak.



A shame I believe, a mod should have the respect (not necesarily the admiration) but respect of the community, and hold their faith. I personally feel Pele doesn't have that, not in the majority anyway, and I think on this topic the community should be listened to, the greater good and all that right??



Pele please don't take this all too personally. I just would agree that often you seem too subjective for a mod.



So my ideas are two fold



1) Possibly look into arranging more mod's



2) Review Pele's status as a mod, maybe a vote if thats possible?



My two cents, don't lynch me


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Posted:Don't taze me bro!

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Pyrolific
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Posted:lol (please dont take this the wrong way) we're looking at putting on more mods. and we were before this particular thread even got to this point.

*imagines Spanner reading this and saying..."yeah right..."* wink


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ben-ja-men
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Posted: Written by :PyroWill


I personally would like to see that number increase. I think mod's should be quite tightly woven into the community or at least a couple of them.


I think this is a bad idea, more mods from the community will result in more politics and drama, if there where to be more mods they should be objective and have a loyalty to hop the business so that their personal relationships don't bias their behavior.

 Written by :PyroWill

Review Pele's status as a mod, maybe a vote if thats possible



Hop is not a democracy whereby we elect moderators based on who is popular and who is not, Hop is a business run by Malcolm. For whatever reason Pele has Malcolm's trust and respect, if you have a complaint about the service you are receiving then he is who you should be talking to.

The anti Pele sentiment that is emerging in this thread does not fit within the hop rules, I have had issue with Pele in the past, Malcolm is very approachable and listened to my concerns I would encourage everyone that has a problem with Pele's moderation to contact Malcolm directly instead of flaming (however polite it maybe) Pele in this public forum.


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Doc Lightning
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Doc Lightning

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Posted:Pele's got a thankless job. She *is* the most visible of the mods.

And because she does her job and does it well, that makes her rather unpopular. Kind of like the assistant principal at my middle school. (Mr. Brettslaf...or as we called him, "Mr. Buttslap").

I haven't seen her flex her mod muscle that much. Pele can be firm, she can be grating (although not nearly as badly as I am), and she can be harsh.

She's also fair. She's involved. She's given blood, sweat, tears to this community.

If Pele is to be removed as a mod, then I would want her to be an admin, instead. But in the seven years that I have been on this forum, Pele has been a rock of stability in a community that went from a few hundred to tens of thousands.

Yes, she's my friend. And maybe I'm biased, but I am not simply her lap-dog (as much as she would like me to sit in her lap wink ).

I initially didn't like Pele that much, to be honest. But over time, I've come to know her as an amazing and beautiful soul. She and I have had our disagreements but I count her among my dearest friends and she is one of the people who I respect most in this world. That's not a compliment I give to many people.

I suggest you all make the attempt to reach out to her and get to know her. You may be shocked at what you find under that tough skin of hers.


-Mike )'(
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ben-ja-men
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Posted:Out of interest when a member gets banned do they have the option to have all of their posts, galleries and other content deleted from the site?

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Doc Lightning
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Posted:Just FYI, we are *never* deleting your "devil" photos.

Just thought you should know that. wink


-Mike )'(
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georgemc
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Posted:Usually a ban just means the person cannot use that account again but the account itself remains intact in case the ban is lifted. All bans are reviewable after all.
If a person on receipt of their e-mail advising them of their banning, then requested their account be "purged" as you described, it would be a very manual job to delete all their posts and so we would need very good reasons to undertake this kind of effort.

This is actually the same when someone requests that their account be deleted. About all we can do is change their username to something like "Deleted user" as all the posts remain without manual editing.


Written by: Doc Lightning talking about Marmite in Kichi's Intro thread

I have several large jars of the stuff. I actually like it... a little. And don't tell anyone I admitted to it.
grin

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Rouge Dragon
BRONZE Member since Jul 2003

Rouge Dragon

Insert Champagne Here
Location: without class distinction, Aus...

Total posts: 13215
Posted:I find the suggestion of more mods an interesting one because from reading this thread it seems to me that people are concerned with the mods being totalitarian...and surely more mods would make that problem even worse?

And I'm going to be brave and ponder the motivation behind the people wanting more mods; are they saying they should be one? Now I know this isn't the case for everyone, but I do get the impression from some people that the motivation behind wanting more mods, or wanting pele replaced is that they want to do it themselves (moderate, that is. Not take pele out!) and this concerns me.


i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...

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Pele
BRONZE Member since Dec 2000

Pele

the henna lady
Location: WNY, USA

Total posts: 6193
Posted:I'd like to clear a couple things up.



I don't use the term "tag in" and if I do, it's to other mods and admins. I do it a fair bit actually.



My "boyfriend" got chastised for his behaviour because it was unacceptable and reprehensible, to myself and to (at least one of) the other mods. His posts were modified and he has not been back since.

The person in question has a free mind and he can express himself at will. Everyone here who is complaining should know me well enough to know that I don't need anyone to fight my battles for me. And quite frankly, I don't view this as a battle at all.



*human hat on*

Pyrowill, am I to understand that I'm supposed to, as a mod, act more "human" but not take anything personally?

If there is a problem with me, then come to me. Other people on here have and it's been sorted. I'm not unreasonable and I actually do think instead of knee-jerk.

Believe it as you will.



Now, if I moderate someone and say "Don't take it personally." I get blasted for it because people do take things personally. That's how people are, and when being attacked, people get defensive. Everyone on here has done so at some point in time or another. I am a person. Of course I am going to.



However, I can also seperate personal from business, and HoP is business to me, as such, everyone is equal no matter how long they have been on here. I have even been modded myself. No, I am not beyond reproach. *None* of us are.



However, from non-mod eyes, the attacks coming about me *are* personal and are essentially displaying attitudes that no matter what I do, no matter what I say, it's wrong. What I am seeing is the complaint that I am incapable of civil human interaction, whether as a mod or as a member, and yet, there is ample evidence otherwise.



I've *still* not received PM's or emails from you, or anyone else speaking up now in an attempt to make things better. The whole "fear" thing is quite...I don't even know the word. The worst that will happen is that I'll not like what I hear. What you see of me is a mere fraction of who I am and what I do, just like every other mod. And just like every other mod on here, I am human with emotions.



So...I'm supposed to shape up when no one is saying anything *to me*? I'm supposed to be human but not show emotion or take things personally?



I'd also like to say that I find the statement that you are speaking for the majority to be presumptuous when there have been many in support of me across the threads as well. People here have their own voices and are welcome to use them. So, in that I will echo FlashFire and say, if you have a problem with me, come to me with it. The PM button is right down there at the bottom of this post. I welcome people to use it in a constructive way (not to simply verbally abuse anyone obviously). You might be surprised.



I'm sorry Pyrowill, but you can not call for my lynching in a post (and you are) and then attempt to gloss it over with "I don't think this thread should turn into a Pele lynching thread". Nor can you make it seem peaceable by saying "But don't take it personally." It's too contradictory to be placating and I *am* taking it very personally.



*/human hat*



You know Doc, sometimes I think you get out of hand just cause you like it when I spank you wink

spank

EDITED_BY: Pele (1210306182)


Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK

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Doc Lightning
GOLD Member since May 2001

Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA

Total posts: 13920
Posted: Written by :Pele


You know Doc, sometimes I think you get out of hand just cause you like it when I spank you wink
spank



*whirls around and squares the Nutella railgun at you*

*flicks a switch on it and an ominous rising whine emanates from the gun*


Lady, put the paddle down. Just...put it down. And I'm willing to forget this little...transgression. wink


-Mike )'(
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella

"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura

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bluecat


bluecat

geek, level 1
Location: everywhere

Total posts: 5300
Posted: Written by :Pyrolific



*an open question follows to Spanner, and everyone else with absolutely no mal-intent*

Can you please now share with us some of these great ideas?

surely if you care about HOP as you say you do, you wouldnt mind posting some friendly constructive criticism?




*hopes josh read bluecats post, not just spanners*

 Written by


In fact, I've been criticised by some members for being too soft, and trying to see too much good in people and other related wussy things wink



thats because, my dear josh, you are a wuss.

hug


Holistic Spinner (I hope)

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brainstorma
BRONZE Member since Jan 2003

brainstorma

old hand
Location: under the fairie wheel, Austra...

Total posts: 1184
Posted: Written by :Doc Lightning


 Written by :Pele


You know Doc, sometimes I think you get out of hand just cause you like it when I spank you wink
spank



*whirls around and squares the Nutella railgun at you*

*flicks a switch on it and an ominous rising whine emanates from the gun*


Lady, put the paddle down. Just...put it down. And I'm willing to forget this little...transgression. wink



hang on doc your in cani now
your meant to be zapping her with the tazer first then tell her to calm down and keep zapping her every time she moves because she want stop screaming


"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, champagne in one hand, strawberries in the other, body thoroughly used up, and screaming "WOO-HOO What a ride!"

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