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Posted:I am currently in the process of putting together a set of 3.5ft doubles staffs. Has anyone had any experience using kevlar rope for the wicking material? It would seem to me that the undulating surface of the rope (thus increased surface area) would provide for both a longer burn and a bigger flame.

Am I right on this?


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Fire_Moose
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Posted:My friend tried this and yes, very big flame with a very large burn off. Unfortunatly he could not figure out a good way of keeping the rope on and it unraveled after a couple weeks.

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Rellizate
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Posted:Thanks Tom. Yeap, I made a staff using rope. Works brilliantly, my favourite staff now.

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Posted:Is rope taking the 'drops' well? umm

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Posted:weavesmiley I use kevlar wick with my staffs. I would most definately concur that it burns longer. I prefer it, myself. ubblove

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aston
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Posted:I thought that pretty much everyone was using kevlar cloth if they could.

This is talking about using kevlar rope instead to get bigger flames. Unless I am misunderstanding you....


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Rellizate
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Posted: Written by: FireTom


Is rope taking the 'drops' well? umm



Yep absolutly fine. It's perfect condition, not a single strand of freying anywhere.


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Posted:This is good news smile I'm thinking about screwing down the ends of the rope to hold it together, maybe with another screw halfway down. I'm not sure if that is going to be enough to keep it solid through the endless drops and abuse that these poor staffs are going to go through.

I'm mostly now wondring if a braided setup like Rellizate used would be that much better vs a tight wrap with the ends screwed down to prevent slipage... I believe the braid would have more surface area (one of the main reasons to use rope over ribbon) but it looks like a major pain.


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squid
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Posted:braiding a barrel knot like what Rellizate did is not particularly hard, actually. Making a decent monkey's fist is harder. You can pick up the pattern fairly quickly. I used it to make a fine set of poi wicks already and I've promised Rel that I would experiment with using it to make a staff like his, that could be plugged.

Check the thread that FireTom linked. It has an excellent explanation of how to make one and I have yet to see any other style that really compares to it in regards to surface exposure.

If you are interested in making braids like that, this is a handy link for creating various types: http://www.boondoggleman.com/the_projects.htm


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Posted:Don't deserve the credit on this one shrug wink

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squid
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Posted:oopsie! My mistake. I should have read more closely. Thanks to Motley for the link earlier then.

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Posted:Thanks for the links and the help, as soon as I come up with the cash to get the parts I need I'll make a pair and let you guys know how it turns out.


Out of curiosity, any idea on how large I should make the wicks on 3.5ft staffs? I'm thinking 4in would be the best comprimise between saftey, usability and visual apeal. I'm almost tempted to go for 8in wicks, but I think that might be a little heavy for doubles.

Last question: Roughly how much rope would 4in wicks take? The boondoggle weaves call for absurd amounts of boondoggle to get appreciable length, but that's because boondoggle is very thin. With rope I'm not sure how much I should need and I'm trying to avoid buying way to much rope. Although I suppose with what is left over I could make fire snakes....


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