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Rellizate
Rellizate

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Location: Cambridge, UK
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Posted:Ok, this sorta scared me a bit.




This 8 year old has been spinning fireknives his whole life. Even that may be wrong I guess, but that's up to the parents to decide. However, he is using PETROL! It really scares me how he does hand transfers and stuff with petrol...

What do you think?


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UCOF
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Carpal \'Tunnel

Member Since: 17th Apr 2002
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Posted:How do you know its petrol? umm

(Im listening with sound off in case it is said in the audio)


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Rellizate
Rellizate

old hand
Location: Cambridge, UK
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Posted:Because my friend lives in Guam, and he knows the guy and it's petrol. smile

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ElectricBlue
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Posted:would petrol even burn like that?
i thought it would be a lot more explosive?


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Rellizate
Rellizate

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Location: Cambridge, UK
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Posted:Well it does, the proof is in the vid. smile

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Doc Lightning
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Posted:So he has excellent technique and he is a highly trained spinner even if he's 8. He also demonstrated good fire control skills at the end when he extinguished one end of the staff. I would hope that his instructors (parents or whomever) would have taught him what to do if he were to get some burning gas on himself.

I personally prefer to spin with white gas (naptha). It has its pros and its cons, but it's actually pretty forgiving of certain types of errors. It also allows for contact, which kerosene (paraffin) doesn't.

I don't see how this is that much more dangerous than teaching a child this age to be a gymnast or ice skater (he could fall and break his neck), or allowing a child to learn to skateboard or ride a bike.

As long as certain safety precautions are made and the child is properly trained, children are capable of learning certain skills with amazing speed and proficiency, as this young man has demonstrated. I look forward to seeing what he has to show us in 10 years.


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Fine_Rabid_Dog
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Posted:Yeah but Doc... c'mon... its petrol

[Apprently... *shifty eyes*]


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Meeko_Kiddo
Meeko_Kiddo

journeyman

Member Since: 7th Sep 2006
Total posts: 84
Posted:Wow that's nuts.... that kid could dance circles (literally) around most people I know that do fire... wow

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FireTom
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Posted: Written by: Doc Lightning

I personally prefer to spin with white gas (naptha). It has its pros and its cons, but it's actually pretty forgiving of certain types of errors. It also allows for contact, which kerosene (paraffin) doesn't.



umm kerosene doesn't allow for contact? I certainly am not correctly understanding what you mean by that... wink


 Written by: Doc Cutie

I don't see how this is that much more dangerous than teaching a child this age to be a gymnast or ice skater (he could fall and break his neck), or allowing a child to learn to skateboard or ride a bike.



Certainly I side that statement. Whilst personally I wouldn't spin with petrol due to it's aggressive behavior, I can't object others to do it.

A kid spinning fire knives all his life? shrug Ever had a chance to meet a circus family of artists? Would you object them to teach their kids?

 Written by: Doc Cutie

I look forward to seeing what he has to show us in 10 years.



Lets count on the worst and hope for the best.... wink


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DarkFyre
DarkFyre

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Posted:The Kid is good and thats just a plain fact.

However spinning with petrol is just a bad accident waiting to happen.

I hope that if any of you HoPpers ever meet him that you suggest he use a less volitile fuel.


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Skulduggery
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Posted:I've seen petrol burn and it gives off way more smoke and black crap than appears in that Video.

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Stone
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Posted:White gas (basically unleaded petrol with out the additives) is great for transfers, but I would not consider it forgiving in any way. I think it demands the most respect of any fuel we use. The thing that worries me about spinning with petrol is the additives, and any subsequent long-term health problems.

The thing to watch for with juggling/spinning knives is damaging the tip of a finger, which Im told can result in paralysis.


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newgabe
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Posted: Written by: Rellizate


Because my friend lives in Guam, and he knows the guy and it's petrol. smile



Sounds too much like hearsay. There is so much confusion and mix ups about fuel names around the world. Americans (and presumably Guamians who use that kind of English language ) call petrol 'gas' anyway, so could easily think that kero is 'petro;' or whatever.
That fuel certainly burns like a heavier solvent/kero type fuel, similar to what gets sold as labelled firesol/ isopars etc.
And ya, he's fast and stuff, but I wouldn't go overboard on his skills quite yet...


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mcp
mcp

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Location: Edin-borrow.
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Posted:Well I went to america and hawaii and while there, i saw plenty of white gas / colemans fuel type camping fuel sold as 'petroleum' fuel. So it could have easily been mistaken for actual petrol, if you had just read the container.

Plus, the fumes aren't the scarey bit about fire knife. That fact that the knife is heavier than most anybodies staff here, and it's got a big exposed metal hook on it, and it's going almost as fast as you can make it go. Cos the point of fire knife is speed.

Plus they use white gas, so the metal gets plenty hot.

I've seen some awesome scars from that. Not seen any made happily. I mean a big hot hook, it'll impale you and cauterise the wound at the same time... eurhg. Seen plenty of line scars too from the knife's edge, I assume, even thou it's usually overlapped by the particle board.


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Rellizate
Rellizate

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Posted: Written by: Skulduggery


I've seen petrol burn and it gives off way more smoke and black crap than appears in that Video.



Hmm are you sure? I guess he could be wrong.

 Written by: newgabe


Sounds too much like hearsay. There is so much confusion and mix ups about fuel names around the world. Americans (and presumably Guamians who use that kind of English language ) call petrol 'gas' anyway, so could easily think that kero is 'petro;' or whatever.
That fuel certainly burns like a heavier solvent/kero type fuel, similar to what gets sold as labelled firesol/ isopars etc.
And ya, he's fast and stuff, but I wouldn't go overboard on his skills quite yet...



Hmm I guess he could be wrong, but he did say it was gas not petrol, I just changed the name as their are lots of english spinners over on hop. smile


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UCOF
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Carpal \'Tunnel

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Posted:yeah - thats probably white "gas" in that case.

smile


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Rellizate
Rellizate

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Posted:Ahh yeah that makes sense. All ask him. smile



It did seem a little weird to spin with petrol when they do know what they're doing...

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Wooktastic
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Posted:That doesn't look like petrol to me, I've spun with petrol and the flames are darker and as other people have said have black smoke.

I have to say I like the way he put out the head.


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newgabe
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Posted: Written by: newgabe



And ya, he's fast and stuff, but I wouldn't go overboard on his skills quite yet...



 Written by: mcp



and it's going almost as fast as you can make it go. Cos the point of fire knife is speed.







Aha that explains it then. I thought he was just doing the usual young/newbie wowlookatmei'mreallyfast ubbloco thing.


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UCOF
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Carpal \'Tunnel

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Posted: Written by: Rellizate

Ahh yeah that makes sense. All ask him.



Ok, whats his email address? wink


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mcp
mcp

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Location: Edin-borrow.
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Total posts: 5276
Posted:Yeah, the rules of fireknife go something like:

1) SPEED
2) Height of throws.
3) Techniques.
4) Warrior Spirit.

Maybe that's not the exact order... but speed is definately high if not first on the list.


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Rellizate
Rellizate

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Posted: Written by: UnderControlOrFailure



Ok, whats his email address? wink



Errm I don't think he'd want me to post his email... :P He is Yayu from freestyleforum.net though.


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Rellizate
Rellizate

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Location: Cambridge, UK
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Posted:Ok here ya go, this is what he said:

"Yayu says:
well I'm not too sure if it's gasoline but *CENSORED* said that a good number of people use it. something about pride within risk"

Hmm, sounds like it could be kerosine or some other type of fuel then. :-S


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