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Primaries are on! Winner will be the representative of their party in the national presidential elections this fall.
Obama takes Iowa for the Democrats!
Huckabee takes Iowa for the Republicans!
Good independent site to browse that covers their issues:
https://www.issues2000.org/Barack_Obama.htm
https://www.issues2000.org/Mike_Huckabee.htm
https://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#IA
GWARRRRRRRRRRRR!
4 days until New Hampshire vote for democrats! and 3 days for Wyoming's republican vote-
Discuss.
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Written by :Mascot
Right listen up y'all it's get a sense of perspective time.
victims of 9/11 <3,000
road deaths that year > 42,000
homicides (1997) 18,000
Lurch I reckon you know this way of argumentation
More Americans get killed in gun accidents a year than those that got killed on 9/11.... does it mean that the US is going on a crusade against gun manufacturers?
9/11 served as a (welcomed) reason to the US government (no conspiracy theory included) to declare a war that cannot be won against an enemy that cannot be named or located. The war on terrorism is 'endless' and Mc Cain is the only one realistic in this one. I wonder what the American public thinks about it - we'll find out.
the best smiles are the ones you lead to 
old hand
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Location: Oregon, USA
Sounds like we need to go after those terrorist cars and swimming pools first
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Stream Entrant
2,829 posts
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Why cars and pools first?
Why not a integrated approach?
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
HOP Mad Doctor
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Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Written by :FireTom
9/11 served as a (welcomed) reason to the US government (no conspiracy theory included) to declare a war that cannot be won against an enemy that cannot be named or located. The war on terrorism is 'endless' and Mc Cain is the only one realistic in this one. I wonder what the American public thinks about it - we'll find out.
My favorite rant: wars on nouns.
war on poverty
war on drugs
war on terror
war on cancer
war on illiteracy
Tell me, how will we know when the war is over? Is it possible to lose such a war? Is it possible to win such a war?
But you know how Americans are. We love our wars. Ever since WWI and WWII, we just love our wars. We seem to think they solve everything.
So just declare war on an intangible and amorphous concept and then justify atrocity you commit as "this is war!"
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
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“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed—and thus clamorous to be led to safety—by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”
—H. L. Mencken
Walls may have ears but they don't have eyes
wandering thru the woods of WI
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Location: Wisconsin, USA
I'm not arguing that he did a "good" job, but I think he did a lot better than the alternatives would have. Why is this so hard to understand?
And if we have to stop believing our propaganda, what about you guys?
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
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Faith my dear
You are not arguing at all. All you have done is state that you think he did better than the alternatives would have done. How ever many times you state this it does not make it an argument.
We find it hard to understand because you seem unwilling or unable to offer any sort of justification for the opinion you have reached.
Walls may have ears but they don't have eyes
6,650 posts
Written by :Doc Lightning
My favorite rant: wars on nouns.
war on poverty
war on drugs
war on terror
war on cancer
war on illiteracy
Tell me, how will we know when the war is over? Is it possible to lose such a war? Is it possible to win such a war?
But you know how Americans are. We love our wars. Ever since WWI and WWII, we just love our wars. We seem to think they solve everything.
Well how about
war on stupidity
war on greed
I reckon we'll definitely notice when these are won...
the best smiles are the ones you lead to
wandering thru the woods of WI
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Location: Wisconsin, USA
Exactly, Mascot. I'm not arguing that he is doing a good job, but from the platforms and looking at their pasts, I think Bush screwed it up less than his former opponents would have
I'm not trying to make an argument.
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
Stream Entrant
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
I think Mother Teresa said it best:
“I was once asked why I don't participate in anti-war demonstrations. I said that I will never do that, but as soon as you have a pro-peace rally, I'll be there.” Mother Teresa
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
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"I think Bush screwed it up less than his former opponents would have"
Faith, I guess we'll never find out definitely but I reckon that the amount of people who can actually compete with his level of moronicy is very small and most of them are not engaged in politics.
Only recently he made a very smart and sensitive comment about India (and countries like India) and it's responsibility for the world shortage of food... You just gotta laugh.
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wandering thru the woods of WI
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Location: Wisconsin, USA
He did not make that comment. Condi Rice did. :P
Oh, I think there are plenty of people in politics and in power now who rival his so called moronicy
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
wandering thru the woods of WI
3,556 posts
Location: Wisconsin, USA
Heehe...did anyone here Obama say that he had visited 57 states
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
HOP Mad Doctor
13,925 posts
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Well, Obama/Clinton it would appear to be...
not official yet.
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
Basu gasu bakuhatsu - because sometimes buses explode
1,584 posts
Location: Angels Landing, USA
OBAMA CLINCHED IT.
OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGGMOGOMMGOMOGMOGGM
Clinton is trying to stay in there to clinch the vice-presidency. harharhar.
To do: More Firedrums 08 video?
Wildfire/US East coast fire footage
LA/EDC glow/fire footage
Fresno fire
the henna lady
6,193 posts
Location: WNY, USA
*shakes my groove thing, shake my groove thing, yeah, yeah*
We're ganna have a red/white/blue bbq cause we're happy here.
'Bout time this got tied up. It was so drawn out.
Now, my friend sent me this. *If* Obama gets the presidency, we all know he has *a lot* of clean up work to do.
"The buzzword of this election is "Change". Candidates toss it around without saying what they want to change to.
Years ago, there was an old tale in the Marine Corps about a lieutenant who inspected his Marines and told the "Gunny" that the men smelled bad.
The lieutenant suggested that they change their underwear.
The "Gunny" responded, "Aye, Aye, Sir. I'll see to it immediately." He went into the tent and said, "The lieutenant thinks you guys smell bad, and he wants you to change your underwear. Smith, you change with Jones, McCarthy, you change with Witkowskie, Brown, you change with Schultz..... Change, now, get on with it!"
The moral of the story:
A candidate may promise change in Washington, but the stink will remain."
Just thought you'd find it amusing.
I do.
I have faith (not fif
) that Obama can do a bang up job, but it will take a long time and alot of work for change to truly happen, and I wonder how many people realize it vs thinking that as soon as he steps into the white house some magical spell will be cast and all will be right in the world. Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK
Tosser
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Woop woop, Obama FTW
wandering thru the woods of WI
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Location: Wisconsin, USA
Hmmm maybe I will move to Canada
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
Basu gasu bakuhatsu - because sometimes buses explode
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Written by :faithinfire
Hmmm maybe I will move to Canada
What do you have against Change and Hope?
(Or a black man? *snarksnark*
)
All snarkiness aside, that's how I felt when George W. was elected last cycle. Totally saw this coming. Didn't see how the other half of the country didn't.
To do: More Firedrums 08 video?
Wildfire/US East coast fire footage
LA/EDC glow/fire footage
Fresno fire
wandering thru the woods of WI
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Location: Wisconsin, USA
I think he has great PR people and nothing else
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
Basu gasu bakuhatsu - because sometimes buses explode
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Location: Angels Landing, USA
that's your opinion. I think you're underestimating the fact that a junior Senator to took on Hillary Clinton and won. He survived media attacks at his faith and family and patriotism. And he survived lies people spread about his Christian history/religion(he is not muslim), that a black man isn't ready for office, and history serving in Chicago. Obama must have some sort of skill.
At this moment, I'm looking for someone to not screw us any further in the middle east and increase our billions in debt to China. As well as promote education, healthcare, and smart spending by Americans to release our dependence on foreign oil - and thus - stop supporting states where terrorism is rampant. *cough Saudi Arabia* Thanks Bush for never invading the country where most of the 9/11 hijackers came from.
also - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_funds_rate
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June 29, 2006-(Mar. 18 2008): 5.25-2.25 rate drop chart
The Fed can't drop much more before we're all rock bottom.
Whoever takes office next has a lot to fix. But one thing's for sure, the Democratic primary was a historic one.
Props to Obama and Hillary both.
To do: More Firedrums 08 video?
Wildfire/US East coast fire footage
LA/EDC glow/fire footage
Fresno fire
the henna lady
6,193 posts
Location: WNY, USA
Thanks Kael. You summed up perfectly exactly what I was thinking.
PR will only get a candidate to the point where he's a household name, their words and actions get them the rest of the way.
They all had PR machines turning and churning.
They defined themselves with how they dealt with the bumps and the controversies along the way.
Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK
HOP Mad Doctor
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Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
So Colon Powell has endorsed Obama.
THIS is interesting.
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
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Location: home of the tiney toothy bear, Australia
very much so, i liked how he said basically the country needs a new direction in Obama and that Palin is no where near ready to lead should it be necessary.
a very high figure stating widely held opinions is a bit of an anomoly.
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Location: USA
I worry that when this is all over, it wont be enough.
I think the best Obama can do is help to restore the USA's relations with other countries. Considering the presidency is essentially just a military position there isn't much a president can do to change the country. Though apparently with all the frivolous departments the executive branch has, they seem welcome to take a lot of our tax money.
I don't have a senate vote this year but I do have a congressman. I'm voting for a libertarian in that. I think people should pay a lot of attention to their senators or congressman up for election, they do more for this country than the president, and are the real people responsible.
HOP Mad Doctor
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Originally Posted By: MRCI worry that when this is all over, it wont be enough.
Me too. I think that the U.S. is doomed to fall. But Obama is my best hope that maybe we can save the country.
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
coming to a country near you
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Location: home of the tiney toothy bear, Australia
but what do you mean by "save the country"? prop it up for a few more decades before it falls even harder?
i think the west is doomed to fail, there is way too much waste of resources in an unsustainible manner. people see the problems and talk about solutions, but it never seems to go further.
people dont want to hear that they cant live their lives like this.
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Stream Entrant
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Want to know what's happening?
Check out this Interactive Election Map
Go Obama
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
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Lets go Karl Marx!
haha thanks for that map. Even thou its a little slower then my T.V
On the T.V Obama has around 200 votes.
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yay for 4 years of democrats in powah!!!
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