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KaelGotRice
GOLD Member since Jul 2003

KaelGotRice

Basu gasu bakuhatsu - because sometimes buses explode
Location: Angel's Landing, USA

Total posts: 1584
Posted:Primaries are on! Winner will be the representative of their party in the national presidential elections this fall.



Obama takes Iowa for the Democrats!

Huckabee takes Iowa for the Republicans!



Good independent site to browse that covers their issues:

http://www.issues2000.org/Barack_Obama.htm

http://www.issues2000.org/Mike_Huckabee.htm





http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#IA



GWARRRRRRRRRRRR!



4 days until New Hampshire vote for democrats! and 3 days for Wyoming's republican vote-



Discuss. biggrin


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FireTom


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Total posts: 6650
Posted: Written by :Mascot


Right listen up y'all it's get a sense of perspective time.

victims of 9/11 <3,000
road deaths that year > 42,000
homicides (1997) 18,000



Lurch I reckon you know this way of argumentation wink

More Americans get killed in gun accidents a year than those that got killed on 9/11.... does it mean that the US is going on a crusade against gun manufacturers? umm

9/11 served as a (welcomed) reason to the US government (no conspiracy theory included) to declare a war that cannot be won against an enemy that cannot be named or located. The war on terrorism is 'endless' and Mc Cain is the only one realistic in this one. I wonder what the American public thinks about it - we'll find out.


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Lurch
BRONZE Member since Nov 2003

Lurch

old hand
Location: Oregon

Total posts: 929
Posted:Sounds like we need to go after those terrorist cars and swimming pools first

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Stone
GOLD Member since Jun 2001

Stream Entrant
Location: Melbourne

Total posts: 2830
Posted:Why cars and pools first?

Why not a integrated approach?


If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh

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Doc Lightning
GOLD Member since May 2001

Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA

Total posts: 13920
Posted: Written by :FireTom


9/11 served as a (welcomed) reason to the US government (no conspiracy theory included) to declare a war that cannot be won against an enemy that cannot be named or located. The war on terrorism is 'endless' and Mc Cain is the only one realistic in this one. I wonder what the American public thinks about it - we'll find out.



My favorite rant: wars on nouns.

war on poverty
war on drugs
war on terror
war on cancer
war on illiteracy

Tell me, how will we know when the war is over? Is it possible to lose such a war? Is it possible to win such a war?

But you know how Americans are. We love our wars. Ever since WWI and WWII, we just love our wars. We seem to think they solve everything.

So just declare war on an intangible and amorphous concept and then justify atrocity you commit as "this is war!"


-Mike )'(
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"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura

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Mascot


Mascot

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Total posts: 301
Posted:The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmedand thus clamorous to be led to safetyby menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.
H. L. Mencken


Walls may have ears but they don't have eyes

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faith enfire
BRONZE Member since Jan 2006

faith enfire

wandering thru the woods of WI
Location: Wisconsin

Total posts: 3556
Posted:I'm not arguing that he did a "good" job, but I think he did a lot better than the alternatives would have. Why is this so hard to understand?

And if we have to stop believing our propaganda, what about you guys?


Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed

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Mascot


Mascot

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Total posts: 301
Posted:Faith my dear

You are not arguing at all. All you have done is state that you think he did better than the alternatives would have done. How ever many times you state this it does not make it an argument.

We find it hard to understand because you seem unwilling or unable to offer any sort of justification for the opinion you have reached.


Walls may have ears but they don't have eyes

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FireTom


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Total posts: 6650
Posted: Written by :Doc Lightning


My favorite rant: wars on nouns.

war on poverty
war on drugs
war on terror
war on cancer
war on illiteracy

Tell me, how will we know when the war is over? Is it possible to lose such a war? Is it possible to win such a war?

But you know how Americans are. We love our wars. Ever since WWI and WWII, we just love our wars. We seem to think they solve everything.




Well how about

war on stupidity
war on greed

I reckon we'll definitely notice when these are won... smile


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faith enfire
BRONZE Member since Jan 2006

faith enfire

wandering thru the woods of WI
Location: Wisconsin

Total posts: 3556
Posted:Exactly, Mascot. I'm not arguing that he is doing a good job, but from the platforms and looking at their pasts, I think Bush screwed it up less than his former opponents would have

I'm not trying to make an argument.


Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed

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Stone
GOLD Member since Jun 2001

Stream Entrant
Location: Melbourne

Total posts: 2830
Posted:I think Mother Teresa said it best:

I was once asked why I don't participate in anti-war demonstrations. I said that I will never do that, but as soon as you have a pro-peace rally, I'll be there. Mother Teresa


If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh

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FireTom


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Posted:"I think Bush screwed it up less than his former opponents would have"

Faith, I guess we'll never find out definitely but I reckon that the amount of people who can actually compete with his level of moronicy is very small and most of them are not engaged in politics.

Only recently he made a very smart and sensitive comment about India (and countries like India) and it's responsibility for the world shortage of food... You just gotta laugh.


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faith enfire
BRONZE Member since Jan 2006

faith enfire

wandering thru the woods of WI
Location: Wisconsin

Total posts: 3556
Posted:He did not make that comment. Condi Rice did. :P

Oh, I think there are plenty of people in politics and in power now who rival his so called moronicy


Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed

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faith enfire
BRONZE Member since Jan 2006

faith enfire

wandering thru the woods of WI
Location: Wisconsin

Total posts: 3556
Posted:Heehe...did anyone here Obama say that he had visited 57 states

Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed

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Doc Lightning
GOLD Member since May 2001

Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA

Total posts: 13920
Posted:Well, Obama/Clinton it would appear to be...

not official yet.


-Mike )'(
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"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura

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KaelGotRice
GOLD Member since Jul 2003

KaelGotRice

Basu gasu bakuhatsu - because sometimes buses explode
Location: Angel's Landing, USA

Total posts: 1584
Posted:OBAMA CLINCHED IT.

OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGGMOGOMMGOMOGMOGGM

Clinton is trying to stay in there to clinch the vice-presidency. harharhar.


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Pele
BRONZE Member since Dec 2000

Pele

the henna lady
Location: WNY, USA

Total posts: 6193
Posted:*shakes my groove thing, shake my groove thing, yeah, yeah*

We're ganna have a red/white/blue bbq cause we're happy here.

'Bout time this got tied up. It was so drawn out.

Now, my friend sent me this. *If* Obama gets the presidency, we all know he has *a lot* of clean up work to do.

"The buzzword of this election is "Change". Candidates toss it around without saying what they want to change to.

Years ago, there was an old tale in the Marine Corps about a lieutenant who inspected his Marines and told the "Gunny" that the men smelled bad.

The lieutenant suggested that they change their underwear.

The "Gunny" responded, "Aye, Aye, Sir. I'll see to it immediately." He went into the tent and said, "The lieutenant thinks you guys smell bad, and he wants you to change your underwear. Smith, you change with Jones, McCarthy, you change with Witkowskie, Brown, you change with Schultz..... Change, now, get on with it!"

The moral of the story:

A candidate may promise change in Washington, but the stink will remain."

Just thought you'd find it amusing.
I do.
I have faith (not fif wink ) that Obama can do a bang up job, but it will take a long time and alot of work for change to truly happen, and I wonder how many people realize it vs thinking that as soon as he steps into the white house some magical spell will be cast and all will be right in the world.


Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK

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Mr_Chutney
SILVER Member since Apr 2003

Mr_Chutney

Tosser
Location: Herefordshire

Total posts: 1711
Posted:Woop woop, Obama FTW smile

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faith enfire
BRONZE Member since Jan 2006

faith enfire

wandering thru the woods of WI
Location: Wisconsin

Total posts: 3556
Posted:Hmmm maybe I will move to Canada

Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed

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KaelGotRice
GOLD Member since Jul 2003

KaelGotRice

Basu gasu bakuhatsu - because sometimes buses explode
Location: Angel's Landing, USA

Total posts: 1584
Posted: Written by :faithinfire



Hmmm maybe I will move to Canada



What do you have against Change and Hope? wink

(Or a black man? *snarksnark* eek)



ubblol



All snarkiness aside, that's how I felt when George W. was elected last cycle. Totally saw this coming. Didn't see how the other half of the country didn't.


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faith enfire
BRONZE Member since Jan 2006

faith enfire

wandering thru the woods of WI
Location: Wisconsin

Total posts: 3556
Posted:I think he has great PR people and nothing else

Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed

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KaelGotRice
GOLD Member since Jul 2003

KaelGotRice

Basu gasu bakuhatsu - because sometimes buses explode
Location: Angel's Landing, USA

Total posts: 1584
Posted:that's your opinion. I think you're underestimating the fact that a junior Senator to took on Hillary Clinton and won. He survived media attacks at his faith and family and patriotism. And he survived lies people spread about his Christian history/religion(he is not muslim), that a black man isn't ready for office, and history serving in Chicago. Obama must have some sort of skill. wink



At this moment, I'm looking for someone to not screw us any further in the middle east and increase our billions in debt to China. As well as promote education, healthcare, and smart spending by Americans to release our dependence on foreign oil - and thus - stop supporting states where terrorism is rampant. *cough Saudi Arabia* Thanks Bush for never invading the country where most of the 9/11 hijackers came from.



also - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_funds_rate

 Written by

June 29, 2006-(Mar. 18 2008): 5.25-2.25 rate drop chart



The Fed can't drop much more before we're all rock bottom.



Whoever takes office next has a lot to fix. But one thing's for sure, the Democratic primary was a historic one.



Props to Obama and Hillary both.


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Pele
BRONZE Member since Dec 2000

Pele

the henna lady
Location: WNY, USA

Total posts: 6193
Posted:Thanks Kael. You summed up perfectly exactly what I was thinking.

PR will only get a candidate to the point where he's a household name, their words and actions get them the rest of the way.
They all had PR machines turning and churning.
They defined themselves with how they dealt with the bumps and the controversies along the way.


Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK

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Doc Lightning
GOLD Member since May 2001

Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA

Total posts: 13920
Posted:So Colon Powell has endorsed Obama.

THIS is interesting.


-Mike )'(
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella

"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura

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Mr Majestik
SILVER Member since Mar 2004

Mr Majestik

coming to a country near you
Location: home of the tiney toothy bear

Total posts: 4693
Posted:very much so, i liked how he said basically the country needs a new direction in Obama and that Palin is no where near ready to lead should it be necessary.

a very high figure stating widely held opinions is a bit of an anomoly.


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MRC
SILVER Member since Jun 2008

MRC

Funky Blessings Daily


Total posts: 215
Posted:I worry that when this is all over, it wont be enough.

I think the best Obama can do is help to restore the USA's relations with other countries. Considering the presidency is essentially just a military position there isn't much a president can do to change the country. Though apparently with all the frivolous departments the executive branch has, they seem welcome to take a lot of our tax money.

I don't have a senate vote this year but I do have a congressman. I'm voting for a libertarian in that. I think people should pay a lot of attention to their senators or congressman up for election, they do more for this country than the president, and are the real people responsible.


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Doc Lightning
GOLD Member since May 2001

Doc Lightning

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Location: San Francisco, CA, USA

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Posted:Originally Posted By: MRCI worry that when this is all over, it wont be enough.


Me too. I think that the U.S. is doomed to fall. But Obama is my best hope that maybe we can save the country.


-Mike )'(
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella

"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura

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Mr Majestik
SILVER Member since Mar 2004

Mr Majestik

coming to a country near you
Location: home of the tiney toothy bear

Total posts: 4693
Posted:but what do you mean by "save the country"? prop it up for a few more decades before it falls even harder?

i think the west is doomed to fail, there is way too much waste of resources in an unsustainible manner. people see the problems and talk about solutions, but it never seems to go further.

people dont want to hear that they cant live their lives like this.


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Stone
GOLD Member since Jun 2001

Stream Entrant
Location: Melbourne

Total posts: 2830
Posted:Want to know what's happening?

Check out this Interactive Election Map

Go Obama smile


If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh

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Fruitbasket


Fruitbasket

#1 Bender Fan :D
Location: Somewheres i tell ya!

Total posts: 133
Posted:Lets go Karl Marx!

haha thanks for that map. Even thou its a little slower then my T.V
On the T.V Obama has around 200 votes.


ANGER IS A GIFT.You have the right to demand better!

Originally Posted By: Mr Majestikhear the news about the guy in adelaide on the weekend who walked stilts 20m high? broke the world record by taking four steps.

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bender
GOLD Member since Nov 2001

still can't believe it's not butter
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Total posts: 6979
Posted:yay for 4 years of democrats in powah!!!


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