Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourself, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous and talented? Who are you NOT to be?
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Written by: pyrolific
The paper says social workers decided to remove the girl from her non-Indigenous foster family in Cairns because to keep her there would be tantamount to "another stolen generation".
i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey
Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...
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Written by: bluecat
'Aborigines get different laws to us and i'm disgusted. And the judge is crap'
i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey
Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...
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... simplify ...
Written by: bluecat
er. did you read the title of the thread? or my first post?
i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey
Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...
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... simplify ...
Written by: Icarus
doctors in the outback, proper schools with proper facilities. Sure it would cost a lot of money...
Written by: Icarus
Its fine saying that everything has been tried... but its not really true. They (our goverment) has tried things that, on paper, will make it seem like they have tried. Its actually bulls*t.
I will try to find links later, but last time i checked... when you actually take it into account -
spending per capita on indigenous is less then on non-indigenous australians
Written by: Icarus
It's fine saying we have tried everything. But go to a remote community - what is there to do? There are often no youth centres, no women's centres, no daycare, no jobs.... no hope.
Written by: Icarus
If a woman or child is being abused (or a man) there is absolutely no one to turn to.
Written by: Icarus
Communities need infrustructure and resources... and each community needs assessing on what exactly it needs...
Written by: Icarus
and we need some sort of communication between indigenous and non-indigenous communities....
Written by: Icarus
free radio-stations (even in cities, they only run for a few hours a day)... some sort of interaction!
Grrr... could go on all day. And, of course, I am not saying this is the solution... just one that has not been tried, and could work.
Written by: Icarus
Certainly a better option then just bulldozing people into another phase of community welfare/enforced medical checks etc.
But we'd have to talk to aboriginal and torres straight islander people to see what they think, now wouldn't we?
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Written by: bluecat
er. i'm a little shocked at the title of this thread? it should be -
judge makes sh!t decision in rape case.
Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourself, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous and talented? Who are you NOT to be?
Is it the Truth?
Is it Fair to all concerned?
Will it build Goodwill and Better Friendships?
Will it be Beneficial to all concerned?
Im in a lonely battle with the world with a fish to match the chip on my shoulder. Gnu in Binnu in a cnu
Written by: PyrolificWritten by: Icarus
Its fine saying that everything has been tried... but its not really true. They (our goverment) has tried things that, on paper, will make it seem like they have tried. Its actually bulls*t.
I will try to find links later, but last time i checked... when you actually take it into account -
spending per capita on indigenous is less then on non-indigenous australians
per capita?! that seems extremely unlikely to me, I'd like to see some evidence of that.
Written by: Josh
I agree employment is an issue - but perhaps theres not much work out there in the middle of a desert? These are very remote areas and not many businesses operate out of these communities. If you compound the issues relating to poor education and health, the kind of work that could be useful would also have be unskilled / semi-skilled kind of stuff
Written by: Josh
I think these things are happening. and not working particularly well. Pools in particular are being used as an incentive for school attendance and health checkups, but the community needs to be fairly functional before bargains like that will even work anyhow.
Written by: Josh
Look I think this is the main problem with this whole debate - there are people who think there are obvious things that we haven't tried, but we have, and there are people like me that think the situation really hasn't got an answer and cant see a way forward (who probly get misinterpreted as 'racist aborigine haters'). I do not blame the Aborigines for the situation at all, however I'm aware enough of at least some of the major issues that are standing in the way of 'fixing' the situation that I cant just run along with the 'you just arent trying hard enough' bit. sorry folks, I believe unfortunately that there are some problems that are too big to 'fix' once there is a long enough history behind them.
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On the indigenous side, the extreme position is that of separatism, yet the largest constituency on the indigenous side subscribes to victimhood.
People object to my interpretation of victimhood because what many of our people regard as radical, separatist and resistance politics, I say is victim politics. What may have been a truly radical act at one time, such as the tent embassy in 1972, degenerates into a sad symbol of defeatist, victim politics as is plain with the squalid demountables at the tent embassy site in 2007.
We pay a high price for casting ourselves as victims. The tactic of victimhood becomes an identity. Victimhood damages our people - from the young student who believes that academic achievement at school is "acting white", to those who tolerate the abuse of domestic violence because it is "understandable" given the history of the people concerned.
We indigenes of Australia are confused in our cultural understanding of victimisation and victimhood. Yes, individuals and groups in our society are victimised in a variety of ways. But it is a terrible thing to encourage victims to see themselves as victims.
To adopt this mentality is fatal because it concedes defeat, and it can also literally kill. Victims do not take responsibility for education, economy, health and mental well-being; their families become dysfunctional and their children are damaged even before they are born.
The worst indulgence is to take away the one power victims need to survive, to defy victimisation. To say: "Yes, I have suffered victimisation - but I'm not giving in by becoming a victim."
Who in world history has ever been saved by anyone in the way we hope whitefellas will save our people?
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Written by: bluecat
In any case, there is no shame in semi-skilled employment. and FFS training can also be given. people DO respond to it.
Written by: bluecat
I'm sorry, But i can't agree there. You're basically saying that they have to sort themselves out of a mess that is not of their own making before they can be helped. Holistic approaches are needed, not bargaining.
Written by: bluecat
Hmm. well, firstly, I'm not saying that things haven't been tried. But my gut feeling is that until we (and the British Government has as big a responsibility here) have built every single indigenous person a house and given them land (as they are no longer equipped/skilled to live in their traditional way) we have no right to ask anything of them, and we should be trying our hardest to make their lives as easy as we possibly can
Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourself, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous and talented? Who are you NOT to be?
You can only be young once but you can always be immature.
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However, this is clearly not the best idea, for many, many reasons, so please don't just throw that back at me.
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I'm fully aware that forcing white culture onto aborigines doesn't work, and shouldn't be done. hence the rest of the post.
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Written by: Fireblitz
Has there always been widespread rape and abuse of children in Aboriginal Society? Or is this a new phenomenon?
.....Can't juggle balls but I sure as hell can juggle details....
There is a slight possibility that I am not actually right all of the time.
i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey
Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...
Written by: bluecatWritten by: Josh
I agree employment is an issue - but perhaps theres not much work out there in the middle of a desert? These are very remote areas and not many businesses operate out of these communities. If you compound the issues relating to poor education and health, the kind of work that could be useful would also have be unskilled / semi-skilled kind of stuff
And there you have a cultural assumption going a little astray, IMO. Why does employment have to mean business? not even in the UK is that true. Was there any business in OZ before the 18th century?
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