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Glåss
DIAMOND Member since Nov 2001

Glåss

The Ministry of Manipulation
Location: Bristol, United Kingdom

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Posted:Did we need a study to tell us that more than 40 percent of everything said in e-mail is misunderstood?
Well, they did one anyway. http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0515/p13s01-stct.html

A whopping 44% of meaning is lost in e-mail and forum text.

You hit that send/submit button, and Bam, 100% of your body language and intonation are filtered right off.
Most of your personality has gotten lost in text.
Smilies put a bit back hug .... But really, that's quite a poor substitute.

So what's the ramification for HOP?

/Meme of the week.
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Fire_Moose
SILVER Member since May 2007

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Posted:That is why the internet is so great, People think im cool....

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Pele
BRONZE Member since Dec 2000

Pele

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Posted:Somewhat ironic timing there Glass, concidering the stress of the past few days has been somewhat attributed to just this. Herm.



What's it mean for HoP?

Same as always I would think.



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mcp
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Posted:Well plus the fact that 40% of this discussion has been talked about before... perhaps we'll become 40% better at communicating through low bandwidth media like text, and in the future 40% of kids time on computers at school will be devoted to learning how to 40% of their personality back into text, in a 40% revival of the great subject of English Lit.

I like the word stunted.


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Glåss
DIAMOND Member since Nov 2001

Glåss

The Ministry of Manipulation
Location: Bristol, United Kingdom

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Posted:I'd like to thank MCP for her contribution to this thread.
Especially her signature.


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polarity
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polarity

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Posted:Fish will attempt to eat anything put into an aquarium.

You aren't thinking or really existing unless you're willing to risk even your own sanity in the judgment of your existence.

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jarle
GOLD Member since Mar 2007

jarle

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Posted:Including kittens.

I find it amusing that if 44% of meaning is lost simply by paying attention to words alone, does that mean that tone of voice and body language make up for the rest? Or is it also other factors, such as how attractive a person is, that makes you pay more attention to their words?

I think it's pretty well known that communication via forums, MSN, emails etc is one-dimensional, and sometimes you have to take something with a grain of salt - it's easy to feel insulted when someone was only making a joke, for example.


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Rouge Dragon
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Posted:An interesting implication here would be the difference between male and female speech.

Male speech being very straight to the point with few hedgers.
Female speech containing lots of politeness indicators (such as hedgers and agreement terms) and

These differences make big enough problems in the real world, let alone the internet. I wonder if in text, without the obvious appearance of gender for interlocutors, it would make a difference to how things are not only spoken, but perceived as well.


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Phai
GOLD Member since Jan 2007

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Posted:Well, you lose alot of stuff.



Glaning over at a friend in slight concern, you wonder whether the weather, the ex, or the imminent failure in Biology are to blame. Trying to modulate you voice to that of caring concerned friend, you fold your hands in your lap. No! Too shrink-like. You decide to settle for a 'manly-pat-on-the-shoulder' and even that you wince at. I guess she picks up on something in your voice, so you rush the next lines to get over that awkward silence. "You alright?"



She has a strange look on her face. Perhaps she's never quite registered your voice squeaks abit when you're uncomfortable. Looking out the window, she frowns. Sighs. Looks up for a brief instant before her lips starts to tremble. "I'm fine."





Or...



Mitch_woz_here@ hotmail.com*: u alrite?



sassy_chick696@ hotmail.com*: i'm fine.



Honestly, I'm surprised that only 44% of meaning is lost ubblol



*N.B. Not real emails wink

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Mynci
BRONZE Member since Apr 2005

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Posted:surely that's all subjective though? sometimes more is lost and sometime no meaning is lost.

if I said:
do you have a pet?

is my meaning lost? because if so is it the writer or the reader confusing the issue.


A couple of balls short of a full cascade... or maybe a few cards short of a deck... we'll see how this all fans out.

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Glåss
DIAMOND Member since Nov 2001

Glåss

The Ministry of Manipulation
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Posted:Mynci: Your pet question is simple, and difficult to unintentionally misinterpret.

On the other hand,your first sentence is hugely ambiguous,* both in its use of "that's" and "subjective".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjectivity
I've genuinely got several interpretations and I don't know which one you originally meant!
Therefore demonstrating the point made by the survey in the OP.
Smiles
Drew

(*and I think is more of a fragment than a complete sentence, but my grammar is weak so don't hold me on that one.)


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newgabe
SILVER Member since Mar 2005

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Posted: Written by: Phai



Mitch_woz_here (at) hotmail.com: u alrite?

sassy_chick696 (at) hotmail.com: i'm fine.




Phai, are these real people's email addresses? ( eek ? )


.....Can't juggle balls but I sure as hell can juggle details....

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Phai
GOLD Member since Jan 2007

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Posted:Dun worry. It just hyperlinks them on auto ubblol

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newgabe
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newgabe

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Posted:NOW I;m confusedubblol what on earth does that mean?! confused

.....Can't juggle balls but I sure as hell can juggle details....

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Phai
GOLD Member since Jan 2007

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Posted: Written by: newgabe


Phai, are these real people's email addresses? ( eek ? )



No.

For purposes of sending mail (I guess) HoP just automatically links them. I can try and edit it if you'd like. wink


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Mynci
BRONZE Member since Apr 2005

Mynci

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Posted: Written by: Glss


Mynci: Your pet question is simple, and difficult to unintentionally misinterpret.

On the other hand,your first sentence is hugely ambiguous,* both in its use of "that's" and "subjective".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjectivity
I've genuinely got several interpretations and I don't know which one you originally meant!
Therefore demonstrating the point made by the survey in the OP.
Smiles
Drew

(*and I think is more of a fragment than a complete sentence, but my grammar is weak so don't hold me on that one.)



Good point drew.... I could have meant all of them, or 1 but I believe (yes believe wink ) that syntax and context are required to let people know how text is to be taken. I don't think it's the fault of text. I have read books that have given me a deep understanding of a situation whereas the play / movie the actors body language to not convey the minutae. but then a book isn't a post or E-mail so I can see how brevity could cause issues.
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A couple of balls short of a full cascade... or maybe a few cards short of a deck... we'll see how this all fans out.

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Eera
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Posted:There seems to be a bit of wilful misinterpretation going on too; emotive topics cause a lot of heat because people simply get too passionate about it, and it's not a bad thing until frustration sets in.

I tend not to get involved in debates more than a couple of pages long as half the problems seem to come from there being too much for people to read, so the last page becomes repeats of previous arguments, with a couple of people geeting offended because points they brought up four pages ago are being ignored. It doesn't happen too much in real coversation.


There is a slight possibility that I am not actually right all of the time.

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Invader Xan
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Posted:Frankly, I'm surprised it's only 44% that get's lost. I'm sure I remember reading that in face to face conversation, only 7% is verbal.

I wonder how it varies across languages... In English, where intonation can alter the meaning of a whole sentence, it's likely to be different from, say, Japanese, which can be spoken in monotone without loss of meaning. The flipside being that some Japanese words can have a number of pronounciations.


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faith enfire
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faith enfire

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Posted:Certain cultures do not use as much encoded language. So certain cultures might be more straightforward and say they had a bad day or another might say they were fine.

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BurdaA
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Posted:I too remember that in face to face encounters, verbal communication is supposed to make up less than 10% ... not entirely sure I trust this. I seem to remember that during a game of charades, talking would constitute a significant increase in communication (more than 7% surely). Obviously this is an annoying example but it just goes to show, it's all about context. and minstrels

I'm quite curious to find out how this 44% was measured, what exactly is the measurement unit for understanding?

Or perhaps they asked someone to convey the same point to different people through different mediums and then asked them how well they felt they understood.


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Invader Xan
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Invader Xan

Your friendly neighbourhood mad scientist
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Posted:Mmmm... Minstrels.

"Love the art in yourself and not yourself in the art."
--Konstantin Stanislavisky

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Durbs
BRONZE Member since Sep 2001

Durbs

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Posted:So - let me get this straight...
Are you saying you hate me?


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animatEd
BRONZE Member since Aug 2004

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Posted:I am Durbs. I am.

smile

*slap*


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Be Water My Friend.

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