Forums > Advanced Poi Moves > The Poi "I just learned a new advanced move / combo" thread

Login/Join to Participate
Page: 123...22
Richee
HOP librarian
Location: Prague
Member Since: 15th Jan 2002
Total posts: 1841
Posted:Notcomelan3 turning,



that has wall plane similar to inversion.



lightning,



:R


POI THEO(R)IST

Delete Topic

Imbalance
Imbalance

not different, just not the same
Location: Charlotte, NC
Member Since: 9th Sep 2005
Total posts: 263
Posted:ok so i've read the move listed notcoleman3 and notcoleman5 multiple times but have yet to be able to get a definition i can make sense of.



From what I gather its a 5beat weave with an inside or inversion or something?



anyone wanna give a real definition or better yet a video?


I once learned every move that there was,
Every style, Every technique.
Then I woke up, and forgot it all,
So now I struggle to dream.

Delete

Richee
HOP librarian
Location: Prague
Member Since: 15th Jan 2002
Total posts: 1841
Posted:Read 'Different cross-over's' thread,
then second version.

watch the vidz,

:R


POI THEO(R)IST

Delete

bluecat
bluecat

geek, level 1
Location: everywhere
Member Since: 15th Dec 2002
Total posts: 5300
Posted:i'll try to do a video soon smile

new toy coming smile


Holistic Spinner (I hope)

Delete

Sambo_Flux
Sambo_Flux

Introverted
Location: Norf London
Member Since: 14th Jun 2006
Total posts: 833
Posted:Imbalance Notcoleman3 quick description: Take a 3 beat weave. Note each poi does 2 circles on the opposite side and 1 on the same side.

Do the circle on the same side in between your arms in buzzsaw plane. Practise starting from a 3bt, and focus on your right hand. Do the circle on your right in buzzsaw plane. Then swap to your left hand, and do the same. Then put them together. biggrin


My Mind is a Ship
Emotions become the Waves
Soul is the Ocean

If a quizz is quizzical, what is a test?

Delete

Imbalance
Imbalance

not different, just not the same
Location: Charlotte, NC
Member Since: 9th Sep 2005
Total posts: 263
Posted:ok, so its a 3bt with an inversion... that i can work with, thanks!

I once learned every move that there was,
Every style, Every technique.
Then I woke up, and forgot it all,
So now I struggle to dream.

Delete

Mr_Joe
Mr_Joe

Part-time genius

Member Since: 27th Aug 2008
Total posts: 59
Posted:I thought the inverted 3-beat and the notcoleman were slightly different? Don't the poi always stay on one side of your arm in the notcoleman or summat?

Anybody help? rolleyes


Delete

-sandy-
-sandy-

old hand
Location: Bristol
Member Since: 12th Jul 2004
Total posts: 716
Posted:Not quite Mr joe, in a notcoleman each poi cross under your arm as they go through the inversion but dont actually cross to the other side of your body.

A notcolman is 1 of the 3 different inversions you can do from a 3beat weave. The notcoleman being the upswing of the hand underneath inverting. The others are: wrong weave - down swing of hand on top inverts and the barrel roll where they both invert.

I found the easiest way of learning a notcoleman was to cross arms and spin each poi in wheel plane (not in weave, just spinning with your arms crossed) then take the hand underneath through the space between your arms and chest so it becomes the hand on top. Repeat.


"Don't do it naked!"

Delete

Imbalance
Imbalance

not different, just not the same
Location: Charlotte, NC
Member Since: 9th Sep 2005
Total posts: 263
Posted:man, freaked me out for a second there reading your post sandy... my real name's Joe so thought you were talking to me for a moment (some coworkers call me Mr. Joe...) was about to ask how the heck you knew that and were you stalking me lol.

Been working on the notcoleman a bit, pretty sure i have the move understood in the ole brain, can do one hand of it but putting them together not working out yet... gonna try some more and see what happens. I keep finding myself doing a full beat of buzzsaw by accident.


I once learned every move that there was,
Every style, Every technique.
Then I woke up, and forgot it all,
So now I struggle to dream.

Delete

Imbalance
Imbalance

not different, just not the same
Location: Charlotte, NC
Member Since: 9th Sep 2005
Total posts: 263
Posted:well, got the forwards notcoleman3. once i got it i nearly smacked myself and wondered how the heck i didn't think of doing that before! Tell ya what, its been quite some time since i've really learned a "new" move. Maybe i haven't been spidering the forums much or maybe i've been drilling old moves too much. But its been a good long time since i've learned something new. Hmm, that sounds a bit egotistical, don't mean it to be, just mean I've spent a lot of time learning a wide variety of moves and then discovering their variations. Haven't seen a move I haven't done before (cleanly or not) in a long time. Almost forgot the what it feels like when you realize you just learned something and got it clean.

So, now off to clean up the reverse version and work on the turn. Then to force my body to do the 5bt version.

On a side note, was out at the Rennasiance (spelled that wrong i know) festival this past weekend and talking to a guy out there who showed me a clean version of something i've sorta been discovering/trying on my own. Hybrid huggie lockout/reels/weaves and butterflys (or ttn or whatever it most closely fits..) so thats on my list to get down.

You know, i constantly tell people that Poi is about burning moves into muscle memory and learning new habits... then breaking those habits and learning new (often somewhat contradictory) ones... time I started taking my own advice again!

Thanks for the help guys!


I once learned every move that there was,
Every style, Every technique.
Then I woke up, and forgot it all,
So now I struggle to dream.

Delete

-sandy-
-sandy-

old hand
Location: Bristol
Member Since: 12th Jul 2004
Total posts: 716
Posted:Nice one Imbalance. If you've got the notcoleman3, try turning it into an atomic weave, its basically the same but with the poi spinning in atomics (at 90 degrees to each other) The wrong weave works in atomic too, along with spiders and a double inversion where you do a notcolman and a wrong weave at the same time (one of my favourites).

"Don't do it naked!"

Delete

Imbalance
Imbalance

not different, just not the same
Location: Charlotte, NC
Member Since: 9th Sep 2005
Total posts: 263
Posted:wrong weave? Spiders? first time i've heard those terms, maybe i know them by a different name. I've actually been doing atomic weaves for some time which probably helped a lot in picking up the notcoleman.

I once learned every move that there was,
Every style, Every technique.
Then I woke up, and forgot it all,
So now I struggle to dream.

Delete

-sandy-
-sandy-

old hand
Location: Bristol
Member Since: 12th Jul 2004
Total posts: 716
Posted:Spiders are hugs or crossers moved down to your wrists. So the poi do the same motion but with your arms straight and crossed at the wrists. You can also add extra beats on both sides by turning. Look really cool if you stand facing forward and move your arms from extreem left to extreem right (will be a 4 beat move)

Wrong weave is like a notcolman but the hand on top inverts from top to bottom. So from forward weave going right to left, your right hand goes over your left and instead of going over, under, out it goes over, inverts to under and out. You need to turn briefly into backwards weave to get the inversion and then straight back to forwards weave. I think wibble matt calls them downswing inversions, dont know any other name for them.


"Don't do it naked!"

Delete

animatEd
animatEd

1 + 1 = 3
Location: Bristol UK
Member Since: 31st Aug 2004
Total posts: 3540
Posted:I finally got the notcoleman3. smile

Empty your mind. Be formless, Shapeless, like Water.
Put Water into a cup, it becomes the cup, put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, put water into a teapot, it becomes the teapot.
Water can flow, or it can Crash.
Be Water My Friend.

Delete

AlienJon
AlienJon

enthusiast
Location: Everywhere
Member Since: 7th Mar 2002
Total posts: 290
Posted:Hey Imbalance, If you were out at the Renfest with MTBeer at the Sphereplay booth, then that guy doing that thing was me. I haven't been active on HoP for years and just happened to check in on a whim. If you come out again, or better yet if we can get together during the week some time I can cover most of Rev's manifesto with you and variations that I have played with, including "notcolman" and "wrong weave" flowers, BF inversion flowers and various atomic and plane bending goodies.

Incidentally, I've been spending most of my time on tribe lately, and you guys should probably check out my thread in the techpoi tribe here:

http://techpoi.tribe.net/thread/7d1509cc...53-7a8a0248fd00



I have simulations I rendered in 3D studio MAX on youtube here:






I've been playing with spinning a "Cat Eye" (Arash'ese), which is a 1-beat antispin... your hand makes a unit circle (the smallest circle the poi body can make, diameter=the poi length ie an isolation, so the radius=1 unit= half the poi body), the center of the poi moves along a linear path 4 units long and the head makes an ellipse that is 6 units on the long axis and 2 units on the short axis. Because your hand makes the same path as an isolation, this means you can do all the possible same and opposite spin hybrids as 1-beats with out going poly-rhythmic. This also turns into the poi version of staff trammels if you move your hand linearly rather than spin the unit circle.



If you are wondering what the "Alien Code" is the Tribe thread is where I'm fleshing that out. Once I have it a little more refined, I'll cross post to HoP as well.



Hit me up on tribe, that is the best way to get in touch,



-Alien Jon

EDITED_BY: AlienJon (1192513385)


+Alien Jon

Delete

bluecat
bluecat

geek, level 1
Location: everywhere
Member Since: 15th Dec 2002
Total posts: 5300
Posted:that's wicked, jon.

ta


Holistic Spinner (I hope)

Delete

Durbs
Durbs

Classically British
Location: Epsom, Surrey, England
Member Since: 23rd Sep 2001
Total posts: 5688
Posted:Managed 8 beats of one-handed hyperloop, not quite flowered though (One day...)



Plus one handed hyperloop, to release, with whip catch back into one-handed hyperloop...

Not with anything resembling consistency mind you.


Burner of Toast
Spinner of poi
Slacker of enormous magnitude

Delete

animatEd
animatEd

1 + 1 = 3
Location: Bristol UK
Member Since: 31st Aug 2004
Total posts: 3540
Posted:ok, one handed hyperloop confuses me.

is it a butterfly hyperloop, then put both poi handles in one hand, and spin them around, not quite like a madman?

Am I close? Because if I am, that's EASY.

If I'm wrong, how the [censored] do you get the poi to entangle when they're being held in the same hand? Let alone go through buzzsaw plane... (I know, I know, A hyperloop doesn't *have* to go through buzzsaw plane, but to me they do tongue )


Empty your mind. Be formless, Shapeless, like Water.
Put Water into a cup, it becomes the cup, put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, put water into a teapot, it becomes the teapot.
Water can flow, or it can Crash.
Be Water My Friend.

Delete

Durbs
Durbs

Classically British
Location: Epsom, Surrey, England
Member Since: 23rd Sep 2001
Total posts: 5688
Posted:Enter like normal same-direction hyperloop, let go when they tangle (like suicide air-wrap), bring across body and where it would normally untangle and fly off into the sunset, loop the handle-end of the poi back around and carry it across to the starting side. Again here it will want to release, or you can loop again and carry back across.

The flower part is a bitch as you're moving it in a circle whilst still carrying it side-to-side. I'm not sure it can even be done, but it'd look sweet.


Burner of Toast
Spinner of poi
Slacker of enormous magnitude

Delete

RicheeII
RicheeII

member

Member Since: 1st Nov 2007
Total posts: 37
Posted:Double catch freehand included:



(circling)



-chest circling

-BTH circling

-BTL circling

-Horizontal around the head circling



(different classsic)



-Barell rolling

-Corkscrews!



(Tracing)



-head-chest figure eight contact traces

-leg contact tracing

-contact waistwraping

-BTL "negative" traces

-Straight arm backtraces



(traps)



-Elbow "static" trap buzzsaw pass



(double stops)



-Horizontal straight arm

-Elbow vertical



Some body poping

and basic foot work.



light,



:R


BINARY DIVISION

Delete

16.15.8
16.15.8

I cant think therefore Im not
Location: In my backpack
Member Since: 16th Jul 2005
Total posts: 291
Posted:Hey if I would understand more then 2 names of the trick you named here above I would be proud of myself, however I don`t even recognize 2 of them *embaressed* What kind of spinner am I biggrin
But hey, im happy and im spinning that`s whats couns, isn`t wink

Take care and keep up the wicked tings that you are doing!


"I dont like shoes, definitely not spinning with shoes, they make my feet feel flat, my feet are not flat...."

Delete

Durbs
Durbs

Classically British
Location: Epsom, Surrey, England
Member Since: 23rd Sep 2001
Total posts: 5688
Posted:ditto wink

Burner of Toast
Spinner of poi
Slacker of enormous magnitude

Delete

squid
squid

sanguine
Location: sur
Member Since: 15th Apr 2007
Total posts: 382
Posted:Oh, thank goodness. I was thinking there was something wrong with me. wink

anywho. I was practicing some old inversions and all of a sudden straightjackets clicked and I was entering and spinning them easy as pie. Now to clean them up and figure out some exit strategies and transitions.


"to a man whose only tool is a hammer, the whole world looks like a nail." Abraham Maslow

Delete

-sandy-
-sandy-

old hand
Location: Bristol
Member Since: 12th Jul 2004
Total posts: 716
Posted:Atomic hybrid wrong weave and isolated atomic split time b/f flower (or swishy swishy wink) the isolted atomic swishy can be done in a fountain too smile

"Don't do it naked!"

Delete

RicheeII
RicheeII

member

Member Since: 1st Nov 2007
Total posts: 37
Posted:I've got a combo:



Basic base: 3B backward weave



Advanced base: Backward Inswings



Inswing || Inswing



or deper:



Inswing <-> Cross-over(LR) <-> Inswing





Combo:



Inswing | Introversion || Inswing | Introversion



or deeper:



Inswing <-> cross-over (R) <->Notcoleman3 <-> Inswing <-> cross-over (LR) <-> Inswing <-> cross-over (L) <-> Notcoleman3 <-> Inswing



---------------------------------



Now, at one side insted of finishing the single

inswing routine, the lead Poi follow back to

notcole3 and another inswing to repeatable

combo routine.



This can be mirrored to the other side via

weave cross-over wheel transition into the

full move.



I wish I had a cam,



:R


BINARY DIVISION

Delete

animatEd
animatEd

1 + 1 = 3
Location: Bristol UK
Member Since: 31st Aug 2004
Total posts: 3540
Posted:BLuecat came to visit at the weekend.

I learnt lots of Corners.
and now I also understand the wrong weave. can almost do it, but not solid enough to say nailed.
Quarter time is fun too. but only in a buzzsaw at the moment.

Right angles is where it's at.


Empty your mind. Be formless, Shapeless, like Water.
Put Water into a cup, it becomes the cup, put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, put water into a teapot, it becomes the teapot.
Water can flow, or it can Crash.
Be Water My Friend.

Delete

-sandy-
-sandy-

old hand
Location: Bristol
Member Since: 12th Jul 2004
Total posts: 716
Posted:Richee: when you say inswing, i think you are talking about the same move i call wrong weave? it inverts from the top of the outswing?
If thats the case i think i do the combo/move you just described, do you mean both poi invert/inswing at the same time? a variation of atomic weave? i pinched it from the Fens at Play.


"Don't do it naked!"

Delete

animatEd
animatEd

1 + 1 = 3
Location: Bristol UK
Member Since: 31st Aug 2004
Total posts: 3540
Posted:Quarter Time Airwrap cool



Enter like a normal airwrap in wall plane, but stall and float into it, so that the poi create a right angle, with the two poi heads making the corner. The stalling puts you automatically into quarter time, or at least, it seems to for me. may be wrong on this detail though.



With the poi that's stalling down, tangle the two heads as you would an airwrap. once they're tangled, you can move the tangle point (nexus, is that right?) up to the diagonal opposite corner of a box.



So you kind of get a square shape made with the poi, but with an airwrap inside... Haven't managed up to down, yet, only down to up...


Empty your mind. Be formless, Shapeless, like Water.
Put Water into a cup, it becomes the cup, put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, put water into a teapot, it becomes the teapot.
Water can flow, or it can Crash.
Be Water My Friend.

Delete

DarkFyre
DarkFyre

HoP mage and keeper of the fireballs
Location: Palmerston North
Member Since: 4th Nov 2005
Total posts: 1965
Posted:I'v figured out BTB fountains but they still need some tidying up

Reverse hyperloops and a few different flower arrangments are also new and messy additions to my repotoire


May my balls of fire set your balls on fire devil

Delete

DarkFyre
DarkFyre

HoP mage and keeper of the fireballs
Location: Palmerston North
Member Since: 4th Nov 2005
Total posts: 1965
Posted:I got a new move down realy quickly today.
Buzzsaw Flowers
I honestly thought that they would be difficult but it seams that all of the flowers practice that I've been doing lately has had some spill over effect (not that I'm gonna complain)


May my balls of fire set your balls on fire devil

Delete

animatEd
animatEd

1 + 1 = 3
Location: Bristol UK
Member Since: 31st Aug 2004
Total posts: 3540
Posted:Antispin Butterfly (not flowers)

1 beat antispin is cool. Now if I could just get it split time, I'd be mega happy.


Empty your mind. Be formless, Shapeless, like Water.
Put Water into a cup, it becomes the cup, put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, put water into a teapot, it becomes the teapot.
Water can flow, or it can Crash.
Be Water My Friend.

Delete

Page: 123...22