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TheBovrilMonkey
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Posted: This is based on a poll from another forum I've been reading recently..

Basically, do you write in cursive?

If not, why not? Is learning cursive a pointless and redundant waste of time or much better than writing in print?


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Posted:Well I have a problem with that..... I write in cursive AND print. If you read a letter from me I usually write it in both.

But it is not a waste of time to learn it.... I also think kids should learn sign language.


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jo_rhymes
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Posted:I think learning cursive is useful because it means you can write faster, obviously not as fast as typing.

I think there are more important things that could be taught in schools.


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FireTom


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Posted:Print and cursing... wink The former if I want nearly anyone to be able to actually read what I am writing

(sometimes even bold -> as I got born into a generation where it was NOT yet considered shouting rolleyes )

the latter appears pretty but cryptic as I've been told a few times.

I think it's okay to teach kids - even though Jo is right - as a form of western calligraphy... shrug I'm oldskool


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Fire_Moose
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Posted:I do both, My writing looks like a 4th grader's but its a mix. If a word has 2 e's next to each other they are cursive there are other times that its just easier to do cursive for a short segment. i DO NOT do any q's or z's in cursive however.

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Pele
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Pele

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Posted:Like many here, I do both.
If I want it to be for me, I will scratch it in cursive.
If I want someone to read it, I will print it.
Cursive is actually faster, which was the point but with speed comes illedgibility.

Most people I know have some form of combination for day to day writing. Certain letters resemble print but are more attached to the next.

Because of this, I can't vote one way or the other.

I also can't say if it's a waste of time to teach. I think alot of things are so, looking at it that way, what's one more?

Do you want kids to take notes expediantly but illedgibly? Teach cursive

Do you want kids to take their time and write clearly, but perhaps miss something they should have written down?
Teach print


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faith enfire
BRONZE Member since Jan 2006

faith enfire

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Posted:I am more of a cursive person but there is some printing. I had penmanship class but I still don't write as nice as my mother.

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Eera
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Posted:Yep, always do except for emphasis.

If you're doing exams, you have no choice otherwise you can't get everything down in time, and if it's illegible, you don't get the benefit of the doubt; you don't get the marks.

If you're going to be in that situation soon then practise it. Your grade will thank you.

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Ade
SILVER Member since Mar 2001

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Posted:I was taught to write by nuns, therefore my cursive is beautiful, as is my print

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they made sure of that...


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Groovy_Dream
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Posted: Written by: AnueBunnie


Well I have a problem with that..... I write in cursive AND print. If you read a letter from me I usually write it in both.

But it is not a waste of time to learn it.... I also think kids should learn sign language.



BIG ditto


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Rouge Dragon
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Posted:you can truly appreciate the wonders of cursive when you write in a language where you can't use it! sooo frustrating!! ubblol

i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
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roarfire
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Posted:I write in cursive mostly but it's really messy!

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Gayle......!
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Posted:redface i had to look up what cursive means..i do both depending on situation.

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SilentSlide
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Posted: Written by: Gayle......!


i had to look up what cursive means..i do both depending on situation.



same here, for both biggrin

 Written by: PsyRush


 Written by: AnueBunnie


Well I have a problem with that..... I write in cursive AND print. If you read a letter from me I usually write it in both.

But it is not a waste of time to learn it.... I also think kids should learn sign language.



BIG ditto



just out of curiosity, why do you think kids should learn sign language?


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PK_
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Posted:i think they should too...

in fact i wish that the British Education system taught more about languages and communications.

I'd have loved to have learned Sign at school!... would ave been better than French.

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faith enfire
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Posted:We learned some but they just did it for a year and didn't keep up...I tried again in college but it didn't work so well

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Fireina


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Posted:I write for the most part in cursive, but it's really a hybred of cursive with a few print letters here and there.

My writing style came about as I wanted my writing to look flowing and pretty. The downside of this is it can be hard to read. The up side is it looks cool. My writing is also extremely tiny...we're talking half the size that fits on college ruled paper. So it's incredibly girly.

Oh yeah, and I never got around to learning how to write and symbols, so I just use treble clefs instead. Close enough, and it looks cooler, lol.


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Wild Child
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Wild Child

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Posted:I confess to ambivalence on this subject due to my own experience

1. I'm left handed - all hand writing is a 'mare to learn and make nice when you can't see what you've written

2. My junior school (from 7-11) taught italics - delightful when done properly, but after learning normal round print at infants plus point 1 above, mine ended up looking awful. My mum bemoaned us (4) having to do it.

3. In Senior school I reverted to round print a little joined up with a couple of italic oddities - 'a' like this (with an arm over it) and straight down tails for lower case y, g, q etc. In other words no discernable style - but at least it was legible when i wrote in 'best'.

4. At college (at 24) my lecture notes were my own peculiar style of shorthand - looked like a scrawl but I could read it

5. Now at work it's often lunchtime before I realise I haven't taken my pen out of the drawer due to everything being on screen and the lack of writing practice means my handwriting is frequently illegible even to me as it's usually hastily scrawled notes, in joined up with little definition of letters - and that's just plain stoopid!

Should cursive be taught? It IS difficult to read if you're not used to it but it is lovely to look at and it would be a shame to lose it altogether - but how do you get round the fact that after school/college you're unlikely to use it enough to keep up the standard? Well done to those who can and do though cool thankx


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_Aime_
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Posted:I also had to look up the word cursive ubblol

At primary school we had special lessons for learning 'joined up' handwriting. Earliest I remember doing it was year 4 so I would have been around 7.
We even watched kids educational programmes which taught you how to write letters in the cursive style.

Anybody from the uk remember the magic pencil programme? "Up, down, around and flick!"

Nearly all my letters join up, and those that dont all the time usually do when if I concentrate on writing.

I love my handwriting. As a kid I would spend ages trying out differant ways to write letters to see if I liked ubblol

I think it should be taught in schools, if only briefly - as I know I found it much easier to write once I learned how to join up smile


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Posted:I remember the magic pencil!

*sings happily* up and down and follow me round and join me up together

...if only I had any idea which letter that was for... b maybe?


I write with joined-up words, though the form of my letters has strayed a long way from what I was taught (my g is basically a p and my h is usually L shaped).

Perhaps, with all the people here saying that their cursive writing is nearly illegible and so they need to spend time writing in print so that others can read it, schools should spend More time teaching how to write wink

But really the thought of not teaching joined-up handwriting to children gives me a lovely mental image of teaching a child to read as far as sounding out the individual syllables and letting them work the putting-the-word-together bit out for themselves.
(that image was lovely in my head because it was the two-headed monster from sesame street teaching the class smile )

I suppose I have a very loose understanding of the term 'cursive' since I have chopped it about to suit myself, but I do think that if you don't teach it to children then they will never have a basis from which to form their own efficient handwriting style. But then they type everything nowadays don't they? wink


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Posted:I talk in cursive. Joined-up swearing, I mean.



feeble lols aside, cursive is absolutely crucial if you're ever taking notes for a class, minutes for a meeting or ever writing when you don't want to be slowed down to a snail's pace. I reckon.


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JonnyRok
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Posted:I generally write in print,but the faster I write the more cursive it becomes, though I never get to full cursive

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Wild Child
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Wild Child

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Posted:If what we need now is speed writing for note taking rather than formal presentation for wide consupmtion, why don't we teach shorthand? Just a thought...

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87wt2gxq7

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Posted: Written by: Wild Child


If what we need now is speed writing for note taking rather than formal presentation for wide consupmtion, why don't we teach shorthand? Just a thought...



coz then you gots to write it out twice rather than just photocopying your notes and sending them round?

mind you if everyone knew shorthand that wouldn't be a problem...?


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Wild Child
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Wild Child

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Posted:That was my thinking - replace it completely

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Fire_Moose
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Posted:i thought short hand never caught on shrug

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Glåss
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Glåss

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Posted:OK, so until 2 years ago I live in the left hander who doesn't write so much as spider poo across the page.
It was mostly joined up, but i wouldn't call it cursive.

And I though to myself, "school failed to teach 11 year old me how to wright good." (they failed me grammar and spelling too;) ) but I can do Poi and ball contact, and writing has to be easier than that.

So I decided to learn cursive writing and a bit of penmanship!

Tips and History (v helpful): http://paperpenalia.com/handwriting.html
Tips for kiddies: http://www.handwritingforkids.com/handwrite/cursive.htm
In my geeky way, I'd say its kinda fun.

But I had some "issues" with cursive scripts, mostly that we are so used to printed fonts that many letters have shape over the last century.

I looked here at palmer: http://www.zanerian.com/Palmer.html (<-- that site has a lot of good scripts)
In particular:
F,I and Q
n,q and r
Don't read good to my modern eye. so I looked around the other scripts and borrowed/ adapted a few letters.
Anyone know a more modern cursive script?

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Wild Child
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Wild Child

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Posted: Written by: poje


i thought short hand never caught on shrug



It was only taught as a 'business' tool, ie for secretaries to take dictation which was then typed up. Once dictaphones became available, audio-typists replaced shorthand secretaries.

But they could take dictation at the rate of 90 to 120 words per minute - that's pretty damn quick and would certainly be useful for note taking and most especially for taking minutes of meetings - I've lost count of the amount of minutes from meetings I've received which are at best woefully inadequate as the record of the meeting and at worst criminally inaccurate!


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Lurch
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Posted:To add to Glass's links:

http://www.iampeth.com/lessons.htm#getting_started

There is some great instructions work as well as some amazing flourishes.. I've always been fascinated by quality script style writing, although I'm horrible at it.

There has been a depressing decline in people penmanship and general ability to write (not to mention spell or use proper grammar) since the influx of the modern PC and typewriters.


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Mynci
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Posted:I used my own form of shorthand / abbreviations when I was at school. when I realised after a year my hastily scribbed notes were just plain illegible.
t = the
w/ = with
it was easy for a lot of my lessons as I did do mainly sciences and they have natural and recognised abbv's anyway. I think a recognised set of common abbreviations would be a better way to learn notetaking than a full short hand. but the worry I would have would be the loss of english language..

cn't kids jst use txt spk to abbrve8 now? wink they do get enough practice it seems... and it cna be damn frustrating. mad but I can see practical uses for it.


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Wild Child
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Wild Child

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Posted:I've had a similar conversation with my sister - we both love the English langauge and were taught grammar and encouraged by our parents to speak and write properly. She's pretty anti the decline in standards whilst I take the viewpoint that language is to facilitte communication so if txtspk does that and actually increases/improves it who are we to say it's to be lamented?

It's not so many years ago Dr Johnson gave us a single spelling for each word from the myriad versions used, just around this country and the choices he made weren't always the most 'logical' - hence the difficulty in learning English. I'm all for local/regional variations of pronounciation and even spelling, so why can't we embrace another set of versions from a new 'community'?

Sorry - offtopic


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