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FireTom


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Posted:Anyone knows how to play "S"-curved staff?



... you can't be everywhere, Banyan - unfortunately ...



These staffs intrigue(d) me since I have seen you play them in KPG...


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Posted:Strugz, and Michael Moschen should be able to help you there

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drvariety
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Posted:Cant say I've seen that before, but its very very cool... I think I'm going to make myself a pair right now...

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Posted:was it not strugz who had a set of these at PLAY festival? they'r confusing, but look really effective!

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FireTom


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Posted:They appear incredibly nice to me, but handling is ubbloco



It seems that even the easiest staff moves become quite tricky, when applied to S-taffs. Then again, there are other moves that would not look at all when done with regular ones - the shape makes them look fantastic.



A bit "zenish", no?



Thanks for the link UCOF, I haven't had the time to watch the vid yet...

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Posted: Written by: the_mods_stole_my_name


was it not strugz who had a set of these at PLAY festival? they'r confusing, but look really effective!



yes it was, very cool to play with but confusing

isolations look very cool with them as does antispin


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Posted:I pl;ayed with strugz's S-staffs at bournemouth fire festival, they are pretty tricky, you have to have perfect planes and bear in mind the rotation as well. normal staff moves do not trasfer across too easily.

A couple of balls short of a full cascade... or maybe a few cards short of a deck... we'll see how this all fans out.

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Posted:Tom

I just popped by, ill be back - but essentially - you can do ALL doubles (spinny) moves with them - parralel, split time, anti spin, isolations - Everything......

There is a little knack to it - a twist in plane / direction.... not like normal sticks thats for sure.....

ill see if i can get some info / short vid for you soon......

Sorry for the delay in responding - i aint about much these days smile


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FireTom


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Posted:No worries at all - time's a master that I meet frequently... as long as you keep your promise before end of this year rolleyes wink I find them SO hard to grasp at first... wonder whether one could spin Thaistyle with them ubblol

But they are sweet - I will definitl. get a pair


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Posted:You could always ask Bryan/Banyan... since I think he inspired this, no?



I realise it may have originally come from Michael Moschen... but I know both Strugz and Tom were inspired by seeing (or vids) of Bryan's lovely S-staffs at the start of this year...



He used to be here as Heph...



(credit where it's due, and all that)



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Posted:lovely amazing stuff.



Where are you getting them from Tom? Or are you getting them made


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Posted:... did do de crediting I knew of in the IP. Mucho thank yo for enlightening the paths of origin to me humble apprentice, Clare. Will seek out Banyan (thanks for reminding me of his nick) and Heph (?) for further information. hug to Clare

I'll get them in BKK - Pak is making them, has got a pair on sale for 4 grand incl. wick. Sounds reasonable to me.


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Posted:I have enthused the guys here and one of them makes all sorts of stuff. biggrin biggrin biggrin His gf is interested so may even happen. The Goose is awesome

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Konstantin
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Posted:Yesterday tried my new curved double

got an accident... lol

what i did is put there 'abit' too much wick biggrin

burned like hell+ the curve...



got my t-shirt ignited(it had some fuel shaken from staffs)

nothing serious really, but was quite hot biggrin

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Posted:is there anyway to burnoff the fuel from a curved staff? I wouldn't have thought so.

A couple of balls short of a full cascade... or maybe a few cards short of a deck... we'll see how this all fans out.

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FireTom


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Posted:That is a very valid question! Never though of it, as they (usually) spin lots slower.

I'll have mine made next week - found someone able to weld aluminum and that for reasonable price. bounce


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Posted:I'd imagine that a fireball style spinoff wouldn't be possible due to the form of the curved staff. With a regular staff, the fuel is expelled along the full surface area of the wick, causing it to wick off in fine droplets which generates the fireball. With a curved staff, the fuel will be drawn to the outer edge of one of the curves which likely will not have the same effect.

However, you could probably do a trail style burnoff if you can spin the staff fast enough in wall plane.

If you end up trying it, be careful and let us know how it goes. (I'd probably try it with a mockup staff and water, rather than lit fuel).

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Konstantin
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Posted:i tried, it is possible to spin curved rather quiclky, by putting hands at about 1/3 and 1/3 length of it ang making simple spinning moves
but it's far from what is needed to get a fireball anyway

Made my curved myself, as most of other equipment


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Posted:Just wondering how well curved staff moves would translate to a scythe. Obviously with the scythe the curves aren't as extreme and there's weight at one end, but would it be similar?

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Posted:Nah, a scythe is completely different. You'd be using more polearm styled movements with it.

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FireTom


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Posted:Factually it seems there is lots less of (classical) spinning involved as the S-shape of the staff makes it very difficult to spin and keep the staff running on it's plane.

Wonder about Contact-S... wink

You weld your own staff f_f? Interesting, I should learn Argon welding...


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Konstantin
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Posted:Try 1beats with curved
they're so easy with simple staffs but feel quite weird with curves

Contact.. well, I managed to do contact propellor and a fishtail, could be possible to do conveyor belt and some more vertival contact using hands only but no steves matrix ect.. smile


What I see in general, most of moves could be done, They just feel different way, are quite unstable especialy at the beginning of practice and can hit you quite hard ))

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zaobabdai


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Posted:Buugeng

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Posted:coming soon to HoP library

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_Clare_
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Posted:Hey lovely Dai!!

Well done on COL mister smile

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Posted:biggrin

Sweet - Dai's uploaded lots of lessons to the HoP library...
Go learn.

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Konstantin
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Posted:Yeah, nice.
Anyone knows where could I get such a nice pair of Curves?


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FireTom


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Posted:Well guys...

HERE'S THE LINK

Why is it Buugeng however?


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Posted:Yep, anyone knows where to get that Buugeng prop?

I want it hardly >_<'


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Imbalance
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Posted:agreed, the ones Dai uses are very pretty. Want a pair myself now. The ones from the Moschen vid aren't to bad either. I need to find someone around here who can make some of this type stuff....

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Posted:http://www.zaobab.com/buugeng_about.html

That's where Dai sells his buugeng.


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