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FireTom
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Member Since: 20th Sep 2003
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Posted:Anyone knows how to play "S"-curved staff?



... you can't be everywhere, Banyan - unfortunately ...



These staffs intrigue(d) me since I have seen you play them in KPG...


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Konstantin
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Location: Vilnius
Member Since: 8th Jun 2007
Total posts: 66
Posted:nice, thanks

wow, didn't think buugeng is made of 2 boomerangs or smth like that. I guess, I'll make a pair of these for myself in some weeks.

Would be great to get glowing ones if they had such in stock. Should be quite an impressive tool, maybe even better then with fire.
You can do most of doubles spinning moves with'em but fire prevents from doing big part of slower moves, isolations. It simply reaches your hands then. Well, hope I'll find way to do it anyway soon. smile


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_Poiboy_
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Location: Raanana, Israel
Member Since: 12th Jan 2004
Total posts: 1113
Posted:damn, the shipping's expensive frown
I hope HOP will start selling these soon


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akgraphics
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Location: Churchill College, Cambridge
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Posted:I was sorely tempted to get some from Dai ... it works out at 60 inc. shipiping to the UK for a pair ... if only I had a job!

I've never handled one of these, so I'm curious: Does the S-shape have to be a specific type of curve for the optical illusion to work? From Dai's videos, the curve looks like a perfect sine wave, but does it really matter? I.e. Could they be made out of two semi-circles, or any old pair of arcs?


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Azadondo
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Posted:To anyone who has made a set of these: How did you do it and what did you use? Did you machine them out of wood? Use a jigsaw? Or did you use metal? Or did you just tape a bunch of well trained cats together?

Performing marriages, funerals, baptisisms, last rites and absolving the sins for HoPers for-- not very long actually.

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mparker
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Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted:Ok, so I took one look at the lessons, one look at Dai's site and realized I wanted these so bad it hurt. Shot off an email to him, and had one quick phone call to the boyfriend for color consultation, and I've ordered me a set.



Mmmmmmmm can't wait!



Curse you long shipping time!!!!


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akgraphics
akgraphics

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Location: Churchill College, Cambridge
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Total posts: 133
Posted:Yay I am the pround owner of a pair of yellow buugeng smile hurray for birthday money.

It's everything everyone who's posted above me has said they are, amazing, but insanely difficult. Once I got my head round the grip rotating in its own axis as you do the weave, it all becomes a lot more easy.

I love all the mime-type stuff you can do with these! My favorite is my big yellow curvy buugeng-moustache biggrin


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-sandy-
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Location: Bristol
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Posted: Written by :Azadondo


To anyone who has made a set of these: How did you do it and what did you use? Did you machine them out of wood? Use a jigsaw? Or did you use metal? Or did you just tape a bunch of well trained cats together?



I havnt made them myself but i've had a play with the ones Strugz had made. They were aluminium tubing bent with a pipe bender and had 2 semi circles rather than the sine wave curve on Dai's.
From having a fairly short play with them i would say that looking at Dai's the sine wave is a nicer curve than the semicircle, i also found the semicircle hit me in the face a lot and was a bit large (although obviously you could make a smaller set). The illusion from the semicircle was nice though, easy to make an isolating circle with.
The aluminium tubing was ok, but fairly 'clangy' its really easy to knock them into each other and the vibrations arnt very nice. I recon wood would be a nicer material.
I've been thinking about buying some of the Buugens when i get some more cash, they look really nice.


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Skatto
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Walking on whims...
Location: Eastbourne, UK
Member Since: 12th Jan 2007
Total posts: 687
Posted:Dunno whether to get the red ones or the yellow ones. ubbloco

They look amazing, the simplest double staff tricks look doubly amazing.

Will definitely have to buy a pair!


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Richee
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Location: Prague
Member Since: 15th Jan 2002
Total posts: 1841
Posted:I've found quite difficult and nice the way you control

the vertical rotation(actually spiral..) movement of the

staff during simple figure of 8.



Also I found quite similar tensions like with flagging,

where you intensively control the spin.



(Inclined spiralz..)



-Butterfly sweeps

-Parallel reels

-Swaps

-Fountains

-360's

-Insides



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Also next step in experiencing steve.



Steve?.. Po!,



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Konstantin
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Location: Vilnius
Member Since: 8th Jun 2007
Total posts: 66
Posted:There's abit of my S-staffs in this video
http://youtube.com/watch?v=CLEFVHQrkY0
0:14 and 0:49

Btw, anyone gona bring his curves into Play?
Would be great to meet, share exp, explore new moves.
Only problem I'm not sure if I manage to transport my pair to britain for now.


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bender
still can't believe it's not butter
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Member Since: 14th Nov 2001
Total posts: 6979
Posted:throws, throws and more throws!
did you know that i like throws?


















ps throws.


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Mother_Natures_Son
Mother_Natures_Son

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Location: Geelong, Victoria, Australia!
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Posted:Anyone got the link to that moschen video??? its been pulled from youtube and it WAS on his site, but I can't seem to find it anymore..

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meshunderlay
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Location: Hicksville, New York, USA
Member Since: 15th Sep 2008
Total posts: 612
Posted:I have it on VHS....




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Mother_Natures_Son
Mother_Natures_Son

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Location: Geelong, Victoria, Australia!
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Posted:Has anyone been doing palmspins with them? A palmspin on each hand, held above my head feels nice, as well as out to each side of me. Using my thumb to stall and flicking in the other direction feels nice, also... Tends to be easy going curve first, more difficult point first. smile I think i looks alright from a spectator view, I havent shown anyone, though.

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bender
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Posted:hey MNS, there was an awesome buugeng skill swapping sesh at CG - single and double palmspins with and without body movements were part of it, though i was fixated mostly on specifically buugeng-only moves (palm spins are after all possible with staff and clubs) like folding and tracing curves.
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Mother_Natures_Son
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Posted:I understand that completely, but it does have its own effect, I think. Its only with buugeng that you can do it against the curve or with the curve.

And have you played at all with flipping the buugeng around the centrepoint? Split time and even time full spins... as a way to transition between having the buugeng folded and unfolded? I had a go, can get the left to do it, but not the right. Dunno what thats about.


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bender
still can't believe it's not butter
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Posted:hmm you might have to explain centrepoint differently - it means 3 different things depending on what axis you're referring to.
Ya shoulda joined in the sesh - it was refreshing to see talented spinners like Jed share skillz in such an uncompetitive spirit.
Let us all bow in the direction of Dai!


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willworkforfoodjnr
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Posted:Indeed! I love this toy so much!

Has a really good session last night. Still mainly working on versions of doublestaff tricks, but ones I never bothered to learn with actual staffs, like a waterfall with 1 antispun the other not - I love all the opening and closing spaces and ways of creating them.

Also really liking using them closed up, you can bring them together to form a 'fake' buugeng and separate out. Done right with open and close moves it can look like you have loads of single curves that can stick together in any combination grin


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Mother_Natures_Son
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Posted:I thought I replied to this... by "centrepoint I merely meant moving from closed to open, back to closed.

I probably should've joined you lads, but not a moment of my time at CG was wasted... so I was probably doing something useful anyway. I would have been just watching anyway since I didnt have buugeng yet.


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Richee
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Location: Prague
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Posted:-Parallel sweeps 360, 720's.
-Directionless corkscrew!
-Over head buttefly.

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OH BF has 2 Cross-over points
at each side of fist.

1 of the last outside
practise.

so much fun,

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bender
still can't believe it's not butter
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Member Since: 14th Nov 2001
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Posted:hi richee, is the sweep in the wall plane or horizontal plane?
by directionless corkscrew, are you holding the staffs vertically?
cheers!


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Pogo69
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Posted:I've got a bit of a hide saying this, given my innate slackness with such things (and pretty much everything else), but...

a picture paints a thousand words, so just imagine what a video will do...!!! grin


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Richee
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Location: Prague
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Posted:B > Direction less I meen I can hadle both directions!

Vertical sweep(outside/buzzsaw figure 8 motion)

Asymetric sweep:

LH: outside - buzzsaw
RH: buzzsaw - outside

Symetric sweep:

LH: outside - buzzsaw
RH: outside - buzzsaw

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Parallel vertical symetric sweep, with wrists
touching continualy each other.

These are called boxes, because the
hands create negative space between them.

yay,

:R

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Knoxious
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Posted:anyone know where to buy these at the moment?
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bender
still can't believe it's not butter
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Member Since: 14th Nov 2001
Total posts: 6979
Posted:as i understand it Dai has been approached separately from the site to provide buugengs without the paint.

You know people who know Dai, Dave. Use that celebrity powah of yours, bro!!

ps, *smashing* promo vid there!


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Rayan
Rayan

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Location: Tennessee (U.S.)
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Posted:s staff.. nice... never seen those before, gotta make myself a set.

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Knoxious
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Member Since: 25th Feb 2002
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Posted:Buungeng now available on Dais site with sexy no-paint-just-wood finish grin my set's in the mail, yay!

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Mother_Natures_Son
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Location: Geelong, Victoria, Australia!
Member Since: 1st Aug 2007
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Posted:That was me who special requested those buugeng and I'll freely admit that they are the SEXIEST buugeng I have ever seen... they are really quite gorgeous. smile You'll love them to bits, Knoxious.

I'll get a picture of mine up to show you if you'd like. grin


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willworkforfoodjnr
willworkforfoodjnr

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Location: Huddersfield, West Yorkshire
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Posted:New stuff:

- Antispin weaves - create some lovely negative space effects in all 4 quadrants when you isolate it right;
- Opposites antispin isolating the tips on the vertical line - supprisingly easy when you continually turn with it.

Found a lovely little sequence that works by shifting grip back to 2/3 the way down the buugeng and flicking the wrist so the magnets disengage. The buugeng end up bent at 90 degrees and you can then connect them to each other via the exposed magnets, allowing you to lift the whole thing with 1 hand. You can't spin the resulting shape without them falling appart but its possible to make some strange little movements before using your other hand to disconnect them again. Theres probably loads and loads to be done with this, I'll be playing more tonight.

ubblove for buugeng!


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Richee
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Posted:-Inside variations..
-Parallel fountain.

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I re-implemented the inside varitaions
later into Poi moves.

sunny noon,

:R

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