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Brenn
Brenn

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Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Posted:First post! Yay!



Anyways, a question to kick off the new board:



Do you draw from a style of dance or martial art when you fire twirl? Did either of the two disciplines lead you to fire twirl? Or vice versa?


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Invader Xan
Invader Xan

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Posted:It should happen pretty easily the moment you realise what the motion is, I'm sure. After that much tae kwon-do, you'll definitely have the dexterity and coordination. smile

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Brenn
Brenn

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Posted:Zum zum zum Capoeira Mataun! biggrin

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Pyrolific
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Posted:OMG Brenn - thats what Kate sings all the time when she's happy! smile

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jarle
jarle

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Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Posted:I'm thinking of doing Tai Chi in the city next week, the problem is that it's very early and I live a fair distance away. I'll try and rope someone crazy into going with me biggrin

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The Misguided Oracle
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Posted: Written by: jarle


I'm thinking of doing Tai Chi in the city next week, the problem is that it's very early and I live a fair distance away. I'll try and rope someone crazy into going with me biggrin


why do i get the impression that you're in brisbane? anyway I've been trying to find somewhere near to the city that teaches taichi.


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jarle
jarle

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Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Posted:Melbourne unfortunately.

I just searched the lazy way - typed 'Tai Chi Melbourne' into Google and it came up with free classes in the CBD - substituting Brisbane gives you this and this one.


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Brenn
Brenn

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Posted:I've always wanted to try Tai Chi, but starting work at 8:30am in blackburn makes that a tad difficult. Maybe when i'm back at uni smile

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_Clare_
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Posted:Yep Gnor... me likey this forum smile

I've had very little formal training in either, really.

Three years in Shotokan karate (to brown belt), but that was about 6 years ago now... I guess it did help with stances and body positioning.

No real dance training at all (although, does a couple of years Irish dancing when I was about 5 count?! wink )... I watched ALOT of Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers growing up, though smile

I think that planting your feet, and balance, are the most important things that can be learned from either discipline and transferred into poi dancing.

Poi is a rhythmic thing. What you choose to do with it is your own style (and for many people [eh Monkey] it's just about moving out of the way of a flying object smile

I just listen to the music... and try to make the patterns fit.

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bender
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Posted: Written by: Pyrolific


OMG Brenn - thats what Kate sings all the time when she's happy! smile


omg does she know that it's about killing portugese?!


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jarle
jarle

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Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Posted:Did Tai Chi this morning, and enjoyed myself despite the lack of sleep and early start. I don't think I'll be able to incorporate it into a routine yet though, I'll need a couple more lessons before then.

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Moka
Moka

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Posted:Can't dance to save my life... But Martial Arts has definitely helped my Staff, poi and various other toys i pick up =P

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echogrrrl
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Member Since: 26th Aug 2007
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Posted:I'm a bellydancer and I started spinning poi so that I could combine the two arts. I am finally getting to the point with the spinning that I can comfortably move around while spinning. Spinning is sooo much fun, I'm so glad I started!

this is me with my sword...no poi in the pic...still trying to figure out how to get good pics while spinning...


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squid
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Posted:Nice belt, echogrrrl. smile I want one like that.

Actually, if you turn your shoulders in that picture more to face the camera, I could picture a butterfly (or threading the needle) with you tossing the left one behind your head. Then you could swing into an Indiginous Wave. (Mexican Wave, really, but....racistas!! Viva Colombia!!)


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shaddow
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Posted:I draw my inspiration from both martial arts and dance, it's kind of like capoiera but with weapons and elements added.

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Invader Xan
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Posted:Hi echogrrrl! wave

Belly dancing with poi... What a wonderful idea. I bet that would look sweet! smile


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jarle
jarle

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Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Posted:I've seen belly dancing and contact staff, they work really well together,

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natasqi
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Posted:I've done some martial arts, but mostly at school.. and not very well. They help w fire sword!!
My nunchucks are more an artistic thing than weapon thing but I can learn more moves from martial arts...

And I've done belly dancing for the last year... I think it helps me a tad with fire fingers, but not with poi at all.


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Pele
Pele

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Location: WNY, USA
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Posted:Any movement training is influential, whether or not we realize it.

I took Tae Kwon Do years ago, and a touch of Capoeira. I've also done Tai Chi, gymnastics, yoga and life rhythms, which definately have found their way into my movement sphere, though my experience with them is *very* limited.

However, I have also formally, and extensively, studied many forms of Bellydance (for 15 years now), Hula, Bhangra/Bollywood, African dance (with emphasis on W. African), Flamenco, and Salsa.

I have found it does a couple things.

When I am choreographing for a performance, it adds alot of depth depending on the song choice. I have a wider range of movement to pull from and that rocks.

However, when I am freestyling (not often) it muddles things up sometimes I think. At least for me. I feel overwhelmed by the choices and end up kind of being low key in my spinning, which isn't bad but it is definately not what people think they will see when I spin.

This might also be a difference in the whole choreograph vs. freestyle thing. I dunno.


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jarle
jarle

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Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Posted:I've seen a difference between freeform twirlers and technical twirlers, with the former more focused on movement and teh latter on advanced techniques.

2 more cents from me!


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Posted: Written by:

Any movement training is influential, whether or not we realize it.





well said


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Brenn
Brenn

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Posted:if it were 3 cents it would be rounded up to 5 biggrin

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bender
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Posted:I've trained in different martial arts and dance classes and the biggest influences in my current direction are chinese/brazillian martial arts and asian fan dance.

it has blessed me with a strong base for stability, agility for relaxed technicality / movement, and a strong emphasis on flow.

Alot of Australian twirling pushes the dance, movement angle. I spend more time on movement than i do in technicality, as i believe from feedback professionally and informally that it is my strength.

choice in toys help. i focus on short doubles and fire fans, so flowing movement, graceful throws and acrobatics lend well to these toys smile

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Amber
Amber

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Location: Cairns, Australia
Member Since: 6th Mar 2001
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Posted:hi all.
I've always had a bit of a bellydance style since i went to classes for a few years.
i started aikido about 1 year ago and i love that we use staffs and swords.
using a staff in aikido is a totally different technique to how i would usually spin a fire staff. the martial art style spinning does work well for the whole battle thing and its lotsa fun playing at being a fire ninja biggrin
i would love a big curved arabic style fire sword, although in aikido you use a samuri sword.
learning aikido has made me more centred and balanced and i now seem to do quite few spins when twirling. aikido is full of them and is called the art of the dynamic sphere.
i would love to try out capoeira and tai chi one day.


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Mako
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Posted:Capoiera rocks anyone considering it should go go go!

I have done a dance degree which was heavily influenced by the martial arts I learned as a teenager - kickboxing mainly with some karate.
Capoiera I learned while working with a dance company, who specialised in break dancing (developed from Cap), and merging it with classical ballet, Indian dance, and other traditional dance methods shared by its members.

I agree whole heartedly that balance and sure-footedness are key things carried over into poi.
One thing I find which carries over all three I do better when I'm not trying to concentrate on the moves. If I think about it, it goes wrong!! ubbloco


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jarle
jarle

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Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Posted:I'm seriously considering taking up Tai Chi or Arnis, or both. any suggestions?

Kupo!

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aston
aston

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Posted:Tai Chi is much fun. Only done some because my karate sensei has cross-trained so much it is silly, but it is fun to do.

Odd feeling as well compared to Goju-Ryu.

I do not use anything conciously. Probably more from rock-climbing (balancy stuff :P)


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BurdaA
BurdaA

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Posted:Tai Chi is very nice. Every bit worth it. I've only learnt the 8 posture Yang style form so far, but it's been sweet smile

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looking_for_light
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Posted:i've studied aikido for several years and other martialarts type things after i quit that. we had staff training twice a week when i trained aikido,i learned a bit of the basic spins then,so that helped me when i started spinning the staff. actually ,besides helping me,for a short while it was also an obstacle ,in a way. i had to readjust my mind a little bit,to understand that these moves can never be used in a "martial arts" way ,as they are inpractical for purposes of fighting.(by that time i had developed a sort of way of thinking which said "if it's impractical and you can't use it in a self defense situation-throw it out and don't do it") ,and i had to deal with that,make peace with that and understand,that i don't even wanna do "practical" or "useful for fighting" things anymore:] maybe i'll write a separate post about that later.

anw,we also had a lot of turns in aikido,but i kinda failed to connect them with spinning and only now,after several months of staff training am beginning to turn and move while i spin,i used to just sorta shuffle in one place:] actually,that's also always been a problem-i can't dance,but when i'm warming up,for example, i can move in a much more fluid and unrestricted way than i do when i spin,dunno why. working on it:]


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aston
aston

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Posted:Hmmm.... Valid point. I probably take a lot of my movement (as opposed to spinny stuff) from my training.

Which has elements of aikido in it due to friends.


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fanged_angel
fanged_angel

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Posted:i used to do shotokan karate for almost 8 years (got into the england team wooop! smile) and im looking for another decent martial art to join in liverpool any style i dont care pm me! but anyways iv noticed that alot of weapons based martial arts have moves pretty similar to poi ones, kali and kung fu both use what is baisically a 3 beat weave with sticks

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