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Posted:I made a fire long staff using aluminum electrical piping from Home Depot, the dimensions were 19.05 mm diam x 1.6 mm. It's quite heavy as well. But recently, actually almost right after I made it, it showed signs of bending, the ends going down. I'm not sure if this was just the pipe, although I don't remember noticing it, or what it was. Any ideas, advice?



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Bender_the_Offender
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Posted:heat makes metal more malleable.
don't set it on fire.



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Posted:I plugged the ends, so you're saying it's just natural from burning, and shouldn't affect my spinning?

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Posted: Written by: Masked52

19.05 m diam x 1.6 mm.



19.05 metres diameter by 1.6mm long? I'm not surprised it's bending! wink



Maybe that should be 19.05mm diameter by 1.6m long? How thick are the walls of the pipe? Aluminium is a relatively soft metal (some grades of it are softer than others too) and as people have already said, heating it will make it softer still.



I'm not much of a staff spinner, but I do know that trying to spin a bent staff is considerably more difficult than a straight one. I'd suggest trying again with a steel tube, thicker aluminium, or a harder grade of aluminium - good luck! smile


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simta
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Posted:or have a wood core which will give the staff more strength

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Bender_the_Offender
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Posted:^^ that's usually a great idea, however this may make an already havey staff unwieldy.

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Posted:ahhh you'll get used to the weight a week or two down the line you wont notice

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Posted:I would suggest an all wood staff with copper sheathing where the wicks will be, copper or aluminum. I have worked with copper though and it handles heat well, i.e. not bending.

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Posted:simta, in my experience, the best situation is when you craft to match your skill set, not the other way 'round.

it will make a huge difference to rely on a range of toys that will be flexible enough to allow you to attempt the biggest range of moves.
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Posted:quick question M52 is the entire staff bending into a U shape or is it crushing at the ends into a mis-shaped oval

If it is bending into a U then staighten it and give it a wood core

If the ends are crushing then stop droping it smile


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Posted: Written by: dizzypheonix


quick question M52 is the entire staff bending into a U shape or is it crushing at the ends into a mis-shaped oval

If it is bending into a U then staighten it and give it a wood core

If the ends are crushing then stop droping it smile




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Posted:Too heavy at the ends. Wodden dowl it?

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Posted: Written by: Rellizate


Too heavy at the ends. Wodden dowl it?



I only plugged the very ends with dowels. So that could indeed be the problem. If I could figure out how to remove the silicone attached dowels I would, but it looks like my best bet is to make a new staff. Is removing burnt wick and reapplying it alright for the wick?


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Posted: Written by: Masked52

If I could figure out how to remove the silicone attached dowels I would



1) screw a screw into the dowel
2) clamp the end of the screw in a vice or get someone strong to hold it with some pliers
3) pull like an ox on the staff
4) marvel at your dowel-less staff smile


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Posted:Yeah, but make sure it's a long screw. I did that once, and it just broke the dowl in the middle of the staff. >: -(

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