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newbie
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Location: USA
newbie
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Location: USA
Posted:
Hey all,
I think I'm ready for fire. I'm making my fire chains and a contact staff at the same time.
I found some nice dog chokers at a pet store, and they come in different gauges. So, I was wondering what would be better for spinning? 2, 3, or 4 mm?
I also am thinking of using aluminum conduit for my staff. My question would be, is that even suitable? Or should I use something else?
Thanks,
Jake
Hey all,
I think I'm ready for fire. I'm making my fire chains and a contact staff at the same time.
I found some nice dog chokers at a pet store, and they come in different gauges. So, I was wondering what would be better for spinning? 2, 3, or 4 mm?
I also am thinking of using aluminum conduit for my staff. My question would be, is that even suitable? Or should I use something else?
Thanks,
Jake
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water based
5,125 posts
Location: melbourne, Australia
water based
5,125 posts
Location: melbourne, Australia
Posted:
im not so good with judging this kind of stuff (all my firepoi sets have been bought from stores) but before buying the dog chain, id make sure it is a reliable metal, that isnt coated in something ie. stainless steel, not chrome plated steel.. also, the HoP shop uses 3mm chain, so im assuming this is a good size.
im not really sure about what to use for staffs though
im not so good with judging this kind of stuff (all my firepoi sets have been bought from stores) but before buying the dog chain, id make sure it is a reliable metal, that isnt coated in something ie. stainless steel, not chrome plated steel.. also, the HoP shop uses 3mm chain, so im assuming this is a good size.
im not really sure about what to use for staffs though
"you know there are no trophys for doing silly things in real life yeah pete?" said ant "you wont get a 'listened to ride of the valkyries all the way to vietnam' trophy"
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enthusiast
248 posts
Location: Ireland
enthusiast
248 posts
Location: Ireland
Posted:
i use the 4mm dog chain on an old set i have at home and they are grand, never had any issues and they are very strong
i use the 4mm dog chain on an old set i have at home and they are grand, never had any issues and they are very strong
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HoP mage and keeper of the fireballs
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Location: Palmerston North, New Zealand
HoP mage and keeper of the fireballs
1,965 posts
Location: Palmerston North, New Zealand
Posted:
To quickly answer your questions
-Dog chains are great and i would sugest anything 3mm and up. Alternatively get some 3mm chain and some Quick Links from a DIY store
-Aluminium tubing is fine and on the plus side it's lighter that steel.
Have fun making your new toys.
To quickly answer your questions
-Dog chains are great and i would sugest anything 3mm and up. Alternatively get some 3mm chain and some Quick Links from a DIY store
-Aluminium tubing is fine and on the plus side it's lighter that steel.
Have fun making your new toys.
May my balls of fire set your balls on fire 
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newbie
5 posts
Location: USA
newbie
5 posts
Location: USA
Posted:
Thanks..
Now I have an engineering question. How would I make it so that my staff has interchangeable wicks?
Eyebolt through and end cap? Or drill into a wooden dowel?
Thanks..
Now I have an engineering question. How would I make it so that my staff has interchangeable wicks?
Eyebolt through and end cap? Or drill into a wooden dowel?
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Captain Shawnie the Dreaded
126 posts
Location: Canada
Captain Shawnie the Dreaded
126 posts
Location: Canada
Posted:
About the chains.. Make sure that they're not TOO big. Having real tick metal may sound like a great idea, but remember how terribly hot it will get. Don't want to be swinging around too much hot metal eh? Just have a look at it all and use your judgment.
About the chains.. Make sure that they're not TOO big. Having real tick metal may sound like a great idea, but remember how terribly hot it will get. Don't want to be swinging around too much hot metal eh? Just have a look at it all and use your judgment.
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HoP mage and keeper of the fireballs
1,965 posts
Location: Palmerston North, New Zealand
HoP mage and keeper of the fireballs
1,965 posts
Location: Palmerston North, New Zealand
Posted:
good point VR
Interchangeable wicks are pointless unless you intend to do a couloured fire spin. Instead i would make 2 fire staffs so then you can play around with some double staff.
If you still want to make intechangeable heads then i would suggest that you put a screw thread onto the inside of the staff and the outside of the head (this is of course assuming that the kevlar is wraped around a piece if tubing some of which extends from the base of the kevlar) and use a spring washer and a linch pin to prevent the head from unscrewing itself while spinning. I do howeveer have to say that this is just a sugestion and it may not be the best way to achieve the desired result.
good point VR
Interchangeable wicks are pointless unless you intend to do a couloured fire spin. Instead i would make 2 fire staffs so then you can play around with some double staff.
If you still want to make intechangeable heads then i would suggest that you put a screw thread onto the inside of the staff and the outside of the head (this is of course assuming that the kevlar is wraped around a piece if tubing some of which extends from the base of the kevlar) and use a spring washer and a linch pin to prevent the head from unscrewing itself while spinning. I do howeveer have to say that this is just a sugestion and it may not be the best way to achieve the desired result.
May my balls of fire set your balls on fire
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sanguine
382 posts
Location: sur, USA
sanguine
382 posts
Location: sur, USA
Posted:
Hey, dont forget to check out the Articles section for selecting metals:
https://www.homeofpoi.com/articles/metal_fire_twirling_parts.php
Hey, dont forget to check out the Articles section for selecting metals:
https://www.homeofpoi.com/articles/metal_fire_twirling_parts.php
"to a man whose only tool is a hammer, the whole world looks like a nail." Abraham Maslow
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Macaque of all trades
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Location: wombling free..., United Kingdom
Macaque of all trades
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Location: wombling free..., United Kingdom
Posted:
I would suggest speaking to pyromonkey
check his gallery and see if he still has pictures of his hyrda-staff with changeable wicks that screw in the end of a nice heavy sounding contact staff.
Written by: tauschung
Thanks..
Now I have an engineering question. How would I make it so that my staff has interchangeable wicks?
Eyebolt through and end cap? Or drill into a wooden dowel?
I would suggest speaking to pyromonkey
check his gallery and see if he still has pictures of his hyrda-staff with changeable wicks that screw in the end of a nice heavy sounding contact staff. A couple of balls short of a full cascade... or maybe a few cards short of a deck... we'll see how this all fans out.
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newbie
5 posts
Location: USA
newbie
5 posts
Location: USA
Posted:
I didn't want to make a new topic for this one.
I've tried to think of several methods. What I ended up doing was to sink the dowel a bit further in the staff and drop an eye screw into it.
All I do to connect the head to the staff is use a quicklink through the cotter pin, and the eye screw. The only thing is that it moves a bit inside the staff while I am spinning. I was thinking of putting a cap on the end, but those would make it waaaay to heavy on the ends.
Any suggestions to help?
I didn't want to make a new topic for this one.
I've tried to think of several methods. What I ended up doing was to sink the dowel a bit further in the staff and drop an eye screw into it.
All I do to connect the head to the staff is use a quicklink through the cotter pin, and the eye screw. The only thing is that it moves a bit inside the staff while I am spinning. I was thinking of putting a cap on the end, but those would make it waaaay to heavy on the ends.
Any suggestions to help?
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