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Written by: biggins
ps: the fact that you feel the need to carry a gun in your line of work makes me very sad
Written by: onewheeldave
I wouldn't want to put down well-trained and responsible carriers- given the state of the US and its gun situation I'm not surprised people feel the need to be armed.
However, it seems in this thread there's two seperate issues- the one above concerning resonsible and heavily trained carriers- then the fact that totally unsuitable people can wander into the local gun shop, tick a box to 'prove' they're not mentally ill and come out with a gun.
In other countries, the default legal position for guns is either ultra-controlled or totally banned, so they can stay on top of the problem easier than could be the case in the US where gun freedom has always been lax.
So, in attacking the problem, I don't think that limiting concealed carry by provenly responsible and heavily trained individuals should be the first priority.
Stopping shops selling to any adult (without a record etc) who wants one should be stopped though.
Aspiring to a point where the only people who can legally have a gun undergo extensive training and are regularly assessed as still being suitable.
I also like the earlier suggestion that the age limit is raised to something like thirty- whilst not without problems, I think that suggestions like that could have a lot of merit.
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Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
Written by: FireTom
Btw: Is this thread about US gun laws, or is it about the shooting itself? 'xcuse
Pele
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I was always scared with my mother's obsession with the good scissors. It made me wonder if there were evil scissors lurking in the house somewhere.
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and good with ketchup.
**giggles**
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Written by: LurchWritten by: mcp
So er, do you have any actual facts to back up your statement?
Read what I said again, I never said it increased gun crime, but it did increase crime overall, or do you think it's just a coincidence that as soon as the general population was unarmed violent crime skyrocketted?
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Written by: Lurch
lol sorry, but it's painful obvious you've never done any sort of recreational shooting. 50 rounds would be a *very* short range session
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Written by: pineapple peteWritten by: Lurch
lol sorry, but it's painful obvious you've never done any sort of recreational shooting. 50 rounds would be a *very* short range session
just curious, but how does someones (lack of) recreational shooting experience in any way affect any of the the issues being discussed here?
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Written by: FireTom
Btw: Is this thread about US gun laws, or is it about the shooting itself? 'xcuse
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Written by: Stone
If there was any truth to this "I need to gun to protect my family" story, then why are guns so frequently used against family members in America?
Written by: FireTom
Pls do this in a "controlled environment" and have them keep a record! Someone buying *scrolls up* 500 (+) rounds for pistols *pukes* is like someone buying 20 condoms for a single night... Excuse me. I was at a shooting range myself... shot 20 rounds and it was good enough - but that's just me
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Written by: astar2
If it were reasonably possible to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, I would say gun control was a great idea. But I wonder if that is possible. I think the fact that powerful governments spend billions of dollars to fight drug trafficking and utterly fail is a good indication of the challenges associated with blockadeing the illegal sale of guns.
I also strongly believe that a person in risk of being a victim of a gun related crime ought to be able to defend themselves. It's just wrong to take away someones ability to defend themselves, it's like declawing a cat and letting it out every night to be at the mercy of other cats, raccoons and dogs in the neighbourhood.
I was always scared with my mother's obsession with the good scissors. It made me wonder if there were evil scissors lurking in the house somewhere.
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and good with ketchup.
**giggles**
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
Written by: FireTom
Stone, you really think I have not reviewed this from the gun law perspective? But you're making a VERY valid point in your post: "why are guns so frequently used against family members in America?" - if they are intended to protect them?
Written by: FireTom
I was at a shooting range myself... shot 20 rounds and it was good enough - but that's just me, hey...
Pele
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Written by: faithinfire
I agree with checking in on gun owners. We make drivers take a test before and check in later. Do they do this with gun licenses? They should create a program to just run through the licenses periodically. It would be a large data set, but I think the parameters of rejection would be pretty easy.
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Written by: astar2
One thing I find absurd is that people often seem to think that the power of guns delude people into becomeing killers.
Written by: chellybean
But as a sidenote - there's one thing that bothers me about this whole sad story, which I feel has been grossly understated in this debate - what about the role that the university played in this? Now - they knew that people had been shot in the dorm. And yet, all they did was send out an e-mail around the departments urging people to be vigilant. Some of the students didn't even get this e-mail as they were in classes. This baffles me. There was an (obviously) mentally unstable, armed student running around the campus somewhere and they don't think to close the uni and evacuate the campus? I understand that they don't want to cause mass panic - but still..
Written by: Lurch
They do, in some cases. It really depends if you're discussing gun ownership, or CCW license. If you're a felon, you cannot own or possess a gun regardless. A carry permit must be renewed every few years and you have to keep a clean record.
You can think of it like if you get commit a fairly serious traffic violation, chances are you'll keep your car, but your license will be suspended/revoked. Except in CCW cases I don't think I've ever heard of someone getting their permit back after if it's been rightfully revoked.
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Written by: FireTom
If you want a drivers license (in my country) you have to go to school and practice with a certified instructor. There are minimum requirements (hours and situations you have to master) before you can even apply for making the test - i.e. night driving, highway, city, countryside etc. I'd suggest the same or similar for obtaining a gun in the U.S.
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Written by: Stone
Pele, the Virginia tech shootings was not an isolated incident. Guns are the problem, and the problem is just getting worse.
Gunman, hostage dead at NASA space centre. A gunman has killed a male hostage and himself at NASA's Johnson Space Centre campus in Texas in the US, just days after 33 people died in the bloodiest school shooting in US history.
Wake up America!
Pele
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"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK
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Written by: FireTom
The kid was troubled, but as his teacher I would have given an "F" to anyone in the classroom stating "go back to China", I would have beaten the rest of the Campus into submission to "fair play"... Tell you that much. MILLION things went wrong, before he snapped - what were they thinking? [/rants about "elitists"]. This guy really had a message - IMNSHO - don't you get it?
I was always scared with my mother's obsession with the good scissors. It made me wonder if there were evil scissors lurking in the house somewhere.
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and good with ketchup.
**giggles**