I was always scared with my mother's obsession with the good scissors. It made me wonder if there were evil scissors lurking in the house somewhere.
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and good with ketchup.
**giggles**
I was always scared with my mother's obsession with the good scissors. It made me wonder if there were evil scissors lurking in the house somewhere.
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and good with ketchup.
**giggles**
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Written by: Lurch
My government has no responsibility to protect me. Likewise to my law enforcement. I would never ask anyone to get into a deadly situation on my behalf. In facts the courts have even upheld that law enforcement has no duty to protect you. Their job is to mop up afterwards, and arrest those guilty. They do not prevent crime. They cannot prevent crime. EVERYONE has a duty to protect themselves. If you're a parent, you have a duty to protect your child. Why anyone would want to shirk that responsibility, or limit their ability to do so is beyond me.
Written by: lurch
I understand that the majority of the world does not hold our mindset. I understand that most of you guys would prefer there never being guns. But you can akin this to the MADD mentality of the Cold War. As much as you hate cliche' statements "If you outlaw guns, only outlaws would have guns" is never more true. No matter what the good guys, should be better armed than the bad guys. That is what keeps a balance. Better trained, better armed.
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Actually American gun makers don't dominate defensive weaponry by any means.
Written by: lurch
As for these arguments that the entire class would be filled with armed individuals, it's just idiotic. CCW holders are a small part of the population, at or below 1%. So statistically speaking, from the 4 classrooms that he entered there probably would have been 1 person who was armed.
Written by: lurch
I agree that there is no use for autmatic weapons outside of law enforcement, military, and sport.
Written by: lurch
If he had been shot dead by an armed student or teacher, they would be being praised as heroes right now and all of you know it.
Written by: lurch
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https://www.crimestatistics.org.uk/output/Page38.asp
https://www.crimestatistics.org.uk/output/Page24.asp
[url=https://www.crimestatistics.org.uk/output/Page40.asp"but have you considered there is more to life than your eyelids?"
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"Here kitty kitty...." - Schroedinger.
I was always scared with my mother's obsession with the good scissors. It made me wonder if there were evil scissors lurking in the house somewhere.
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and good with ketchup.
**giggles**
... simplify ...
... simplify ...
I was always scared with my mother's obsession with the good scissors. It made me wonder if there were evil scissors lurking in the house somewhere.
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and good with ketchup.
**giggles**
"but have you considered there is more to life than your eyelids?"
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"but have you considered there is more to life than your eyelids?"
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Written by: FireTom
HOW CAN SOMEONE, WHO HAS BEEN PROVEN TO BE A THREAT TO HIMSELF OBTAIN A FIREARM?
Written by: Mr Majestik
look at my scenario biggins , its not as likely someone will come in with a handgun in the uk is it?
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Written by: Lurch
https://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Selick/GunOwnershipFirearmRobEng.gif
https://www.crimestatistics.org.uk/output/Page38.asp
https://www.crimestatistics.org.uk/output/Page24.asp
https://www.crimestatistics.org.uk/output/Page40.asp
Might want to check those out MCP
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Written by: Dentrassi
its seems to go something like - "i feel unsafe because because of all the criminal with guns out there... so what the solution? buy MORE guns!" well i dont really agree with that in principle (but do understand the need to protect oneself - if i lived in a different area i would probably have a different opinion, but i dont )
the entire Gun Control debate is somewhat related to the 'Limits of Freedom' concept - how much must our freedom be structured and curtailed by laws to ensure that we continue to exist with what freedom we have.
i have the freedom to drive a car, must i need to get a license first, and obey the laws of the road to maintain that freedom/privelage. i cant simply drive anywhere and any speed i want to, without a seatbelt, with a 7 year old child in an oompa-loompa outfit tapdancing on the roof. Freedom in this case has been restricted to protect both myself and others from harm. Its not perfect - people still get killed. We could ban cars completely sure - but thats clearly not going to happen.
someone feels unsafe driving in a small car with kids in the back - so they buy a large 4wd tank with a bull bar to drop the kids off at school, which then increased risks to other pedestrians and small children - if only things could change so the 4wd didnt havent to be bought in the first place. alas - safety is still an issue so guns are bought for peace of mind.
the precise balance of laws, freedom, privileges, and perceived rights is quite the hotpot - just as it is for Gun Control.
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Written by: pounce
I am not a Neanderthal, I don't immediately reach for my gun without thought as to other ways to keep myself safe! My first thought would be to call the police. My second thought would be to try and talk to the person in the hopes I could calm them down and mediate the situation. Let me make this clear....I, like MANY gun owners, hope to NEVER have to use my firearm. It is a LAST RESORT. I am trained in self-defense. I am trained in disarming someone. I am also trained in talking to people and helping them calm down. I know guns can be lethal, and I don't ever want to live with the idea that I've killed someone. But I know I'd also rather live, and if using my gun versus not using it is going to make that a reality for me, you better believe I will protect myself and my family any way necessary. There seems to be this global ignorance as to who owns guns and their level of responsibility, and I think people would find themselves really surprised to know the reality of the typical gun owner.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
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"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
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Written by: Mr Majestik
god. if thats your attitude then no wonder everyone over there is gun crazy. personally when i look at my police forces website i believe them when they say "Our Mission: "To make Tasmania safe."" and as far as i can see that directly contradicts your statement that all they're there for is to 'mop up after'.what that means to me is the police ARE there to protect society. and society starts with individuals. so i personally find your attitude bizarre and frightful. if you cant trust your own government and police force to do what they're employed to do then your problems are worse than i ever imagined.
Written by: Mr Majestik
civilians are not the "good guys" mate, unless you're a nation of vigilantes. police are trained and armed SPECIFICALLY to keep the 'outlaws'(wild westrefernce?) in check.
Written by: Mr Majestik
yes, but i think they were referring to the proposition made that MORE people should be allowed to carry guns to prevent massacres. at least thats what my scenario was referring to.
Written by: Mr Majestik
automatic guns.......for sport? what sport is that? who can pump the most rounds the fastest and look real tough???
Written by: Mr Majestik
yeah, if the police didnt mistake the plain clothed student/teacher holding a firearm around dead bodies for the murdered and shoot him/her first.
Written by: Mr Majestik
i'd be interested to see that first table in its original context. however all the other tables in no way relate to gun crime, which is the focus of this discussion. perhaps we could view some statistics of non gun related violence in the US just to take us totally off track?
Written by: Mr Majestik
i agree, however i think the availability and ambivalence toward firearms only exacerbates the problem.
Written by: Mr Majestik
if you read the statistic mentioned before that within 20 ft a knife is more likely to be effective than a gun, how can you say a firearm is 'extra protection'?
Written by: Icarus
I do think that you can't just ban guns and make it that simple. I think the US would have to pour some of that "war money" into a better policeforce (more police + better training!).
Written by: FireTom
HOW CAN SOMEONE, WHO HAS BEEN PROVEN TO BE A THREAT TO HIMSELF OBTAIN A FIREARM?
Written by: mcp
So er, do you have any actual facts to back up your statement?
Written by: onewheeldave
However, it seems in this thread there's two seperate issues- the one above concerning resonsible and heavily trained carriers- then the fact that totally unsuitable people can wander into the local gun shop, tick a box to 'prove' they're not mentally ill and come out with a gun.
Written by: Stone
Lurch, removing guns from America is possible. We did it in Australia, and it has nothing to do with population size. It’s about change, and what it takes as a nation to change an outdated attitude. It’s paradigm shift, or a willingness to give up something. Perhaps, what is only a story, a romanticized story about pioneering and the Wild West.
Do you think Australians would have given up their guns if they didn’t think its would benefit the whole of society? It’s only impossible, because you say it’s impossible. Wouldn’t you like to live in a world without guns?
Two things that helped change peoples attitude to gun reform in Australia were, a federal government funded gun by back scheme, and an increase in the knowledge of wildlife required to get a hunting license. As Dentrassi said, the right to own a gun is a privilege, and should be treat as such.
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Long before he snapped, Virginia Tech gunman Cho Seung-Hui was picked on, pushed around and laughed at over his shyness and the strange way he talked when he was a schoolboy in the Washington suburbs, former classmates say.
(...)
Once, in English class, the teacher had the students read aloud, and when it was Cho's turn, he just looked down in silence, Davids recalled. Finally, after the teacher threatened him with an F for participation, Cho started to read in a strange, deep voice that sounded "like he had something in his mouth," Davids said.
"As soon as he started reading, the whole class started laughing and pointing and saying, `Go back to China,'" Davids said.
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He shot 32 people to death and committed suicide in the deadliest one-man shooting rampage in modern U.S. history.
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Amid all the inevitable grief and finger pointing arising from America’s worst school massacre in history, one aspect you are unlikely to hear much about is why nobody was able to end the reign of horror by shooting back.
There will be plenty said about the failure of the college to issue warnings, how America’s gun culture allowed it to happen, and what drives someone to do it. But the fact remains, nobody stopped it until the gunman killed himself.
This is in a State (Virginia) with quite liberal gun laws, including concealed carry permits. Quite possibly some of the student victims themselves had concealed carry permits.
Virginia law states that holders of concealed carry permits are allowed to carry on university campuses (https://www.roanoke.com/editorials/commentary/wb/80510 ). However, in the name of “safety”, certain persons lobbied successfully to prevent the carrying of firearms on Virginia Tech’s campus.
In fact, pro-gun forces just last year tried to get the Virginia legislature to address the problem. The bill to allow permit holders to carry on state-supported college campuses died, due in no small part to rabid opposition from Virginia Tech itself.
VT spokesman Larry Hincker put it this way after it became obvious that the bill would not pass: “I’m sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly’s actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus.”
The unfortunate irony continues when one recalls that not long ago, two students at nearby Appalachian School of Law managed to stop a gunman at that institution. Happily, they were able to dash off-campus to retrieve their guns from their vehicles.
The rules forbidding the carrying of firearms did not prevent Seung Hui Cho’s senseless slaughter. In fact, they encouraged his rampage because law-abiding citizens were unable to prevent Cho from completing his butchery.
The blood of those 32 innocents is on the hands of those who lobbied for victim disarmament, and on the hands of the president of the university who acquiesed to their shortsighted demands.
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