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FlyingPoiGuy


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Posted:What do you think about flying poi?

Flying Poi on Youtube


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Posted:honestly, not impressed. Not that you aren't good or anything, I personally can't tell from a bunch of pictures too close to you that simply fade colors. Make a video, zoom out a bit, show some actual movement and then we'll talk.

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LazyAngel
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Posted:well I had a look at youe site: A bit curious about this in the FAQ:

Q: Hyperplanes vs Poi are can they do the same tricks?

A: There are certain tricks that can only be done with HyperPlanes. And the planes can of course do all the regular poi tricks...

out of interest, what tricks can only be done with Hyperplanes? cos they look just like poi to me... confused


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Posted:I like the pose in the last picture!

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Posted:I'd like to ditto Lazy Angel's question smile

Also, why are the Fire Planes actually LED Planes, not fire at all...? wink


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Posted:Okay, i've added Jim's video. It was Jim's first time with flying poi, so you can see he's a bit over power by them.
Spring is almost here. And we'll be taking lots of videos soon.

[Quote] out of interest, what tricks can only be done with Hyperplanes? cos they look just like poi to me... [/Quote]

The differences between Flying Poi and regular Poi are:
1) Weight. Flyingpoi are very light so you won't get tired of spinning or even arm strain.
2) Speed. Flyingpoi are much faster in terms of RPM's.
3) They're planes. The planes can actually glide off to another direction, sort of float if you want them to.

So, you can do different things with the Hyperplanes, different maneuvers or tricks. They are esencially poi, but on steriods. eek

[Quote]why are the Fire Planes actually LED Planes, not fire at all...? [/Quote]

well they'll light a fire in your heart... actually we are working on some kervlar flying poi, which you could actually set a blaze. I'll keep you posted.


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Durbs
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Posted: Written by: FlyingPoiGuy


The differences between Flying Poi and regular Poi are:
1) Weight. Flyingpoi are very light so you won't get tired of spinning or even arm strain.
2) Speed. Flyingpoi are much faster in terms of RPM's.
3) They're planes. The planes can actually glide off to another direction, sort of float if you want them to.

So, you can do different things with the Hyperplanes, different maneuvers or tricks. They are esencially poi, but on steriods. eek




Er, but there's not actually any tricks you can do with them that can't be done with normal poi? Aside from a brief imitation of a paper aeroplane? ubblol

More speed isn't always a good thing. Can you spin them slowly and quickly?


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Posted:Side point - Is that Palolem Beach in Goa?
I recognise the island at the end smile


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Posted:I fail to see how something with wings can change direction/plane on a dime.

Do you know what 'on a dime' means?

As for the weight thing... I get tired of spinning glowsticks. you have to put more effort into getting them to spin, and then you can't control the spin. Control is what we want.

The string/ripcord looks like it would snap easily.

They glide off into another direction.. you mean the wind takes them?

I don't like them. to me, they are another thing that sums up the phrase 'Where's the need?'


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Posted: Written by: Limits_To_Contest


I don't like them. to me, they are another thing that sums up the phrase 'Where's the need?'



To me they summed up the phrase "Making a quick buck"


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Posted:Well after looking at your website, I can't say these would be a product I'd be happy with. The cheesy marketing lingo aside, I really don't want a toy that has the potential to emulate an stunt plane because, I have enough issues controlling the planes using my regular poi as it is. I feel these would only make matters worse. I don't want my poi to "glide off to another direction"

LTC raises a good point on the weight and control issues , likewise Durbs mentions weight and speed of spin. As someone who regularly teaches newbies to these arts I've noticed that excess speed in spinning tends to lead to a lot of problems..heavier and slower is better for learning and if you do want to spin fast, it's hard to beat a pair of glowsticks on strings.


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LazyAngel
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Posted: Written by: mcp


 Written by: Limits_To_Contest


I don't like them. to me, they are another thing that sums up the phrase 'Where's the need?'



To me they summed up the phrase "Making a quick buck"



ubblol

'The G-Force Accelerator*, adds a new dimension to Twirling. 0-60 in 1/4 second! Turn quicker, gives you more power when you need it. '

confused

what is a 'g-force accelerator'?

a small note, the planes appear to go backwards when being spun (from the photo video: the other one didn't seem to work), so I don't really see how they would glide or fly anywhere other than straight down.


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LazyAngel
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Posted: Written by: FlyingPoiGuy



The differences between Flying Poi and regular Poi are:
1) Weight. Flyingpoi are very light so you won't get tired of spinning or even arm strain.
2) Speed. Flyingpoi are much faster in terms of RPM's.
3) They're planes. The planes can actually glide off to another direction, sort of float if you want them to.

So, you can do different things with the Hyperplanes, different maneuvers or tricks. They are esencially poi, but on steriods. eek




Well the first two don't really make any difference to tricks only number 3 *brief imitation of a paper aeroplane* counts as a different trick really

Also, your FAQ section has a few grammatical mistakes in it


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FlyingPoiGuy


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Posted:Wow! you guys sure a cynical bunch!

I'll try to answer your comments anyways. Let me first say that I have been spinning Poi for a number or years, and the Hyperplanes have gone through considerable testing. Everyone who has tried them has liked them more than regular Poi, this is a fact. When ever i try someone's old Poi, i laugh, they just aren't the same, it's what your grandmother would spin. Hyperplanes are way more fun!

"Do you know what 'on a dime' means?"

Yes, the plane provides aerodynamics, which accounts for the improved control. Also they high swivel insures turning on a dime. This means 180 turns - fast!



"Can you spin them slowly and quickly?"

Yes of course, this the point, they offer much more control than regular balls on rope.


"The string/ripcord looks like it would snap easily."

The rainbow cord is really cool and will not break, the planes on the other hand are made from foam rubber and will break if you abuse them.

"what is a 'g-force accelerator'?"

trade secret can't say much more right now.

"To me they summed up the phrase "Making a quick buck" "

I will let you know as soon as those quick bucks start flying in....


PS. yes it is Palolem!


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Posted:Ok. I do a lot of Poppin'. It's obvious to me that we have different meanings to 'on a dime'. When I stop on a dime, I stop dead. there's no evidence of coming to a halt, no dissipation of force, I just stop. therefore, to turn on a dime, is to turn without there being anything to influence the turn. (Sorry, yes I can be a geek)

These aerodynamics you speak of, are the exact reason that I believe it does not turn 'on a dime'. plus, the flex in the cord will not allow it. especially a 180 degree turn. As for the swivels allowing it to turn better... surely this would make it turn when you don't want it to, thus giving less control. and if anyone can turn spinning momentum (what do we call that nowadays, i can never remember) from forwards to backwards ON A DIME with anything on a string, I would be extremely surprised.

they sort of float if you want them to... so you can pretend they are a kite as well? I'm sold! umm

We're not so much cynical, we've just seen so many people try to imitate poi and fail, and come up with some cheap, tacky gimmick which is destined to be the new better thing. the thing that would make us never want to pick up poi again. this is how these appear.

your sales techniques are good, but I'm afraid they are useless on us poi 'connoiseurs' (for want of a better word)


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Posted:well, i like the plane idea. i think they look neat. they do need to be very sturdy. if they aren't, we shall complain and tell others about our bad experience. there are many good products out there, it is hard to make a breakthrough as a vendor also because we are a tightknit community. if your product is really good, then it shall be passed along as a viable poi option
i wasn't really impressed with the spinning video, because it just looked like they just went fast and looked sort of out of control. if it was supposed "sell" your planes, i do not know that it accomplished it's goal
(yes we are cynical)
but good luck on you business venture and i hope it all comes together for you


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Posted:I think they look nifty, but i am somewhat sceptical that they will be all they are cracked up to be - they do look flimsy and 'nothing special-ish'

I might try and nake some myself, they might not have the 'patented g force accelerator' (whatever that may be) but shaped foam on swivelling string cant be hard!

But good luck with the new thing - all styles of poi were new once, and now they are 'classic'


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Durbs
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Posted:ubblol

Ohhhhhh, we're a harsh bunch eh ubblol

But meh, we've been spinning poi for years most of us (which being more than "1-2 years" means we should've mastered them by now wink ) - and yep, seen various new takes on them.

But really, I'd say you're claim of "there are tricks you can do with hyperplanes which can't be done with poi" is er...wrong. Can you whip catch them? Can you do contact poi? Is there enough weight in them to hyperloop them continuously?

Yes, we're cynics, but you did (well, actually you didn't...) post about a new poi toy on the main poi spinning website where people have played with poi for years.
Think of it as "constructive criticism" wink

P.S. Palolem was cool (apart from the un-advertised rip-tides which claim many lives each year...). Beautiful place to spin as the sun was going down smile


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Posted:Hi Durbs, I think there is some confusion about what is meant by regular poi. The type i was referring to is the one i see most often: a ball, usually a tennis ball with a tail streamer attached, cord, handles etc. This is a non-fire poi. I think beginners and intermediates spinner may use this one most.
The other type is the fire poi or practice fire poi. That is a heavier type with a small narrow weight at the end, maybe some black rubber around the end, chain, handles etc.
Would you agree that there are some tricks that can not be done with first type? Well the same goes for the FlyingPoi.
The tricks you mentioned can be done to a certain degree, but since they are planes they can easily get tangled up or crash. eek With the narrow poi you can spin closer together. An example is, twirling two poi in one hand going the opposite directions, Flyingpoi can do this, but if you try to flip them over you head too quickly they will get tangled up. This is an advanced trick. But most other tricks are certainly doable.
So, there are some tricks that CAN NOT be done Flyingpoi in comparison to the 2nd type mentioned. Are there trick (or moves) that can only be done with FlyingPoi? I would say yes. FlyingPoi are just different, they have a different visual effect and feel to them. For example you can spin one plane over head around in a circle and the plane would be flying! While regular poi would require more power to keep it in mid air. A regular poi is just dead weight in the air. Hyperplanes have different way to be controled.
The handles have some weight so you can throw the whole Hyperplane in the air and it will keep turning, and then catch it again.
I think Hyperplanes are especially more fun for beginners. The light weight foam makes them safe for kids. They also can fit in you pocket, so travelers like them.
If you a fire poi performer you many not like that you can not do certain tricks the same way, but on the other hand i think you will enjoy something new. Sort of like a snowboard vs. regular skis, same same but different.
I do appreciate all you comments and criticisms etc. After all this is cyberspace and i did just pop in out of no where! hehe
I agree the videos do not really show off the Flyingpoi, some thing to work on, if spring ever arrives here in Toronto that is.

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LazyAngel
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Posted: Written by: FlyingPoiGuy


Hi Durbs, I think there is some confusion about what is meant by regular poi. The type i was referring to is the one i see most often: a ball, usually a tennis ball with a tail streamer attached, cord, handles etc. This is a non-fire poi. I think beginners and intermediates spinner may use this one most.
The other type is the fire poi or practice fire poi. That is a heavier type with a small narrow weight at the end, maybe some black rubber around the end, chain, handles etc.
Would you agree that there are some tricks that can not be done with first type? Well the same goes for the FlyingPoi.
The tricks you mentioned can be done to a certain degree, but since they are planes they can easily get tangled up or crash. eek With the narrow poi you can spin closer together. An example is, twirling two poi in one hand going the opposite directions, Flyingpoi can do this, but if you try to flip them over you head too quickly they will get tangled up. This is an advanced trick. But most other tricks are certainly doable.
So, there are some tricks that CAN NOT be done Flyingpoi in comparison to the 2nd type mentioned. Are there trick (or moves) that can only be done with FlyingPoi? I would say yes. FlyingPoi are just different, they have a different visual effect and feel to them. For example you can spin one plane over head around in a circle and the plane would be flying! While regular poi would require more power to keep it in mid air. A regular poi is just dead weight in the air. Hyperplanes have different way to be controled.



sorry to be finicky but I was hoping for specific examples. Also I think a lot of people on here use sock poi, which are a very different animal to tailed poi or fire poi. Also I don't think visual effect or feel really qualifies something for not being poi: if you have a look around here, you'll find people poi with anything (and everything) they can get their hands on: so I'm not really sure about calling it 'hyperplanes' as opposed to 'hyperplane poi'


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The handles have some weight so you can throw the whole Hyperplane in the air and it will keep turning, and then catch it again.




well that's interesting, there are some people who like counterweighted handles. I think video demonstration is needed though. Any chance you can get video clip 1 working?


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I think Hyperplanes are especially more fun for beginners. The light weight foam makes them safe for kids. They also can fit in you pocket, so travelers like them.




sorry to pick you up on something you said earlier, but you did suggest the planes were a little flimsy and would not stand up to abuse (which they would likely be subjected by beginners/kids/ being carted about in someone's pocket). SO my next question would be: how much are the replacement parts? I paid 15 pounds for my first set of tail poi and they have lasted me about 2 and a half years to date. And in that time, I have replaced a split ring, once: cost about 15 pence

and sorry, but I'm still a bit cynical about the 'g-force accelerator' that appears to be a piece of plastic until you can explain it a little


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Posted: Written by: FlyingPoiGuy


Hi Durbs, I think there is some confusion about what is meant by regular poi. The type i was referring to is the one i see most often: a ball, usually a tennis ball with a tail streamer attached, cord, handles etc. This is a non-fire poi. I think beginners and intermediates spinner may use this one most.



Hmmm - the first are known as "Tail Poi" (as opposed to "regular poi"), and are generally disliked (by most spinners I know) as they can limit what you can do. I would say also the 90% (If not more!) of the spinners I know, use sock/cone poi. For the exact opposite reason - they're easiest to learn with, make most tricks easier, and open up lots of concepts (throws, wibbles etc) that aren't possible with tails.

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The other type is the fire poi or practice fire poi. That is a heavier type with a small narrow weight at the end, maybe some black rubber around the end, chain, handles etc.




Again, there are lots more types of poi than tail or fire poi...
Just out of interest, how long have you been spinning poi and where have you seen it? Because, being honest, as a UK-based spinner who's also met alot of Aussies spinners and traveller-types in SE Asia, i'd say the majority by far don't use tails smile

Hmmm, this all comes across as rather negative...sorry hug smile


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Posted: Written by: Limits_To_Contest


Ok. I do a lot of Poppin'. It's obvious to me that we have different meanings to 'on a dime'. When I stop on a dime, I stop dead. there's no evidence of coming to a halt, no dissipation of force, I just stop. therefore, to turn on a dime, is to turn without there being anything to influence the turn. (Sorry, yes I can be a geek)




And an incorrect one too tongue
The phrase "to turn on a dime" means to be able to turn in a very small space (relative to the thing turning). E.g a small city car can "turn on a dime" and do a 180 in a road in one go, where as a Ford Mondeo, probably can't wink
"Dime stopping" is something completely different and nothing to do with "turning on a dime"
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Posted:Ah, but dime stopping IS Stopping on a dime... tongue

Hence "It's obvious to me that we have different meanings to 'on a dime'...

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get a job.

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Posted:But he says "turning on a dime", not stopping tongue

Get a job yerself hippy *slap*
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Posted:FlyingPoiGuy...still wondering about your claim that "There are certain tricks that can only be done with HyperPlanes. And the planes can of course do all the regular poi tricks..." What tricks ?? Spinning a circle above ones head is hardly good enough to back up a claim like that.

You wonder why we're so cynical...maybe it's the fantastical claims that you're making about these things, like the one above or the fact that the "g force accelerator" is something more than a knot with a piece of plastic wrapped around it. Or the statement that 'Jim" was "over power" my the hyperplanes poi...when, if you look through the mtv style editing and sfx...it's obvious that Jim is new to these arts..not the hyperplanes.

Keep in mind..you're among a crowd of people who know "twirling" and toys inside and out.


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Posted:oh wow he can do a 3bt weave...really fast.... eek wink

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Posted:hey durbs that is unfair about the tails...i like my tails better than my socks

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Posted:Well I like and applaude a rigorous analysis of new or even old versions of kit - but please people - give this guy abit of a break.
He's obviously worked hard developing this 'advance' in Poi design - whilst we may well be helping with a healthy cynicism (after all it seems mostly UK based observation and/or critique!)
I have yet to read of anyone who has actually spun/swung/g-force accellerated (OK - that is pretty funny!!) these things and lets face it without an actual try out its hard to quantify the good or bad of anything
Well theres my 2 dimes worth (366 degree turn executed)
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Posted:I honestly don't understand!!..

what's the point, why bother... not even a quick buck in it! ... poor website to market with with failing links, bad graphics, design, code, and market researching on HoP! ubbidea beware of the criticism, were your critics! hug

This was all too obvious to me!.

1: posted thread on a Guru in India in Social... noticed Avatar with a web address, which surly breaks HoP Rules rolleyes

2: link to website from user profile... taken to bad website.

3: back to User profile on HoP, listing users posts..

4: Ended up here where I don't normally look to find market researching and HoP's critics on the case.

oooh i love the obvious. ubbrollsmile

My thoughts!... bad idea... bad, bad, bad... as bad as Kiwido... Kiwido make good firepoi, but they tend to be the single use type because after the first burn is finished they've burnt away ubblol


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Posted:I checked the site via a google check and I wholeheartedly......dont stand by my remarkes!!
They look tacky, flimsy, Chinese (blind child) made pieces of useless rubbish - whats the point?
Having said that - I still wager that no-ones tried them - mainly cuz no-one here would be silly enough to buy one!!
So until hen I wont pass judgement....oh - I think I just did
OOpps - oh well thre you go just my opinion based on a bad photo


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Posted:Notice how the link to the section "fireplane" is just instruction on how to attach your crappy photon clones to the string?

But below that it has pictures of people spinning real poi on fire!
If that isn't false advertising I dont know what is!

God help yhe poor bugger who sets these foam pieces of shiz on fire.....flamey melted badness anyone?
Who wants 3rd degree crotch burns then....what , no one?
Odd that......


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