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mcp
PLATINUM Member since May 2003

mcp

Flying Water Muppet
Location: Edin-borrow.

Total posts: 5276
Posted:Whip moves!



I'm going to assume you're not an idiot, this thread isn't an excuse to go out and hurt yourself to make up a new crack. I don't think I know any crack that deliberately crack towards your body, rather the crack is always directed away. Thou sometimes it will hit me or the rebound from the crack, or on the way to the crack.



Also: WEAR PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT: a hat, a long sleeved top, and glasses. Aussies would recommend a wide brimmed hat, so you can tell if it's close to your face. But the best protection is learning to crack 'softly' and not force the whip. Once your confident, and you know where the whip 'is' in the space around you, you can learn how to crack it loudly and safely.



Here's the single cracks I know (ish - I can't remember the proper names sometimes, clarifications appreciated):



The throw: Starting out from behind you, you pull your arm forward and the crack happens where you point your arm, out in front of you. (as if throwing a spike underhand to a target in front of you)



The flick: from spinning the whip in a circle, you kinda flick a crack out using a punching-esque motion and the whip keeps going in the same direction as it started out.



Cattlemans crack: A typical direction change crack, starts with the whip laying on the ground, point behind you, you bring your arm up and the whip makes a big circle, as it's going over your shoulder, your change it's direction by extending your elbow and the crack occurs out in front of you.



Coachman's Crack: A cattle mans crack but you wait a lot longer from the crack and extend your arm downwards, so that the crack is next to your ear or above your head on that side.



Really there's only two crack's I know, a throw and a direction change crack, occuring at different places, but I'll go on to describe some patterns.



Figure of Eight - a cattlemans crack, and then the back crack version the other way, with a long drag of the whip inbetween.



Volley - (also called "fast figure of eight") Like a fast version of the above, a cattlemans crack and then on the rebound there is an immediate back crack. And so on continuously. (can be high or low or horizontal...)



Cow and Calf - (also called "whoosh - bang") A throw but pulled up after the crack and using that circle to do a cattlemans crack. And so on, continuously. (can be anywhere, high, side to side, up and down or low side to side. probably back hand up and down too.)



Snakekiller: Doing continuous flicks downwards, alternating from each side of the body. (As if trying to kill a snake on the ground in front of you.)



Meg's favourate pattern: Doing a throw behind your body in wall plane, pulling it forward on the rebound into cow and calf and after the cattlemans crack doing a throw from the otherside of the body.



Tasmanian Twist: I seem to recall it being a figure of eight, then you mangle the planes and do what is essentially a cattlemans crack BTB. But it usually points a little more down than normal.



Arrowhead: Volleys, but done in a special way: Volley back on one side, volley in front, and then volley back on the otherside of your body. making a V shape if viewed from above, hence the arrowhead.



Suicide Crack: Volleys, but done with both hands on the whip, in front and behind you, like the standard volley, but this time directly in line with your body, and the whip passes in a circular motion (well it goes forward on one side and backwards on the other) around you, making you look quite insane.





and the double cracks I know: (mostly names from aussie whipcracking competitions.)



The Train:



The cow and calf, in both hands, staggered (not full split time,) with the throw (the calf) a softer crack that the cow. Done so that it sounds like a train.



The Southern Cross:



"A crack to the Front immediately followed by an under the arm crack to the back then over head crack to one side followed immediately by a crack to the other side finished with a kinda helicopter wind up to an emphasized horizontal crack about 45 degrees to the front of the first side again. 5 cracks to different points representing 5 stars in the southern cross (famous constellation in the Aussie sky - as seen on our flag). " - thanks to pyrolific



Simple weave thing:



Continuous flicks out in front of you, from both hands, in a two beat weave. (flicks alternate sides of the body.) Same can be done in the three beat weave.



The arrowhead can also be used in a weave.

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"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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ElectricBlue
GOLD Member since Feb 2002

ElectricBlue

Now with extra strawberries
Location: Canberra

Total posts: 810
Posted:Ooo i just found an old stock whip in our garage, I totally forgot we ever had it.

I did learnt a few whip things when i was in Tasmania and would really like to have a go of this one. The only Problem is the little cracker is missing.

Could anyone tell me where i could get a replacement or how to fix it?

I'm a bit worried because the thin leather at the end is quite swollen around the last piece of the original cracker, I think it might make it hard to untie with out breaking the leather.

Thanks : )


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mcp
PLATINUM Member since May 2003

mcp

Flying Water Muppet
Location: Edin-borrow.

Total posts: 5276
Posted:http://www.whipstore.com/cracker_making.htm

http://www.davidmorgan.com/cracker.html

http://www.21stcenturywhips.com/Maintenance.html


"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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ElectricBlue
GOLD Member since Feb 2002

ElectricBlue

Now with extra strawberries
Location: Canberra

Total posts: 810
Posted:Awsome, Thanks for the links.
Cant wait to get craking on fixing it ( terrible pun intended).

I think this whip might acctually be a farily good quality one, I think it is made from kangaroo hide. *excited* Yay !!!


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the_mods_stole_my_name
SILVER Member since May 2006

the_mods_stole_my_name

travelling without moving
Location: Maghull, Liverpool

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Posted:just make sure you treat it before you use it if it's been lying around for a while. I've seen a few whips perish because people haven't used saddle soap or any other treatment to keep them supple.

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ElectricBlue
GOLD Member since Feb 2002

ElectricBlue

Now with extra strawberries
Location: Canberra

Total posts: 810
Posted:Yup one step ahead of you.
It was in fairly condition any how considering how old it is. It was stored fairly well I think.


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mcp
PLATINUM Member since May 2003

mcp

Flying Water Muppet
Location: Edin-borrow.

Total posts: 5276
Posted:the whip cracking convention was good... intersting competitions... had good fun with simian and bovrilmonkey, ewan and pinknigel. learned a few bits and bobs, worked out some new stuff, did some silly things...

need a fluffy cracker and some target practise for the next one... and so I suppose I should update the first post with some new terminology...


"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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PinkNigel

Pinker than thou
Location: A little pink world all my own...

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Posted: Written by: mcp


had good fun with simian and bovrilmonkey, ewan and pinknigel.



Why thank'ee ma'am... Yes, it was good...

And big fluffy crackers are the way to go with blowing out candles, but stick with the diabolo string (or fishing line, but then you've *really* got to watch for the little tickles you give yourself now and again) for cutting spaghetti.

And yay! Juggling tonight and tomorrow, that means enough space to keep up the enthusiasm for big noises biggrin


A wise man once said: "You have two ears and one mouth, therefore you should shut the censored up and listen" (though, to be fair, he might not've put it _quite_ like that..)

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mcp
PLATINUM Member since May 2003

mcp

Flying Water Muppet
Location: Edin-borrow.

Total posts: 5276
Posted:biggrin

found a coupla new triple cracks yesterday, which was nice... I really have to get the volley sorted on my left hand thou, in order to start work properly on double whips... biggrin

sooooo want to get a meteor whip crack... I think it's doable with the wee snake whips...


"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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_G_
SILVER Member since May 2005

_G_

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Location: Paris

Total posts: 372
Posted:I can't believe I missed the convention again!!! mad

So Pi55ed off about that.


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Mynci
BRONZE Member since Apr 2005

Mynci

Macaque of all trades
Location: wombling free...

Total posts: 8737
Posted:I can only do a lazy mans crack whip lying on floor behind you, slowly raise arm a little, and snap it down, was doing it yesterday with an 8 ft fire whip biggrin

A couple of balls short of a full cascade... or maybe a few cards short of a deck... we'll see how this all fans out.

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Gnor
BRONZE Member since Mar 2003

Gnor

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Perth

Total posts: 5814
Posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdaPq-aqt3sWhippiing
with a smile


Is it the Truth?
Is it Fair to all concerned?
Will it build Goodwill and Better Friendships?
Will it be Beneficial to all concerned?

Im in a lonely battle with the world with a fish to match the chip on my shoulder. Gnu in Binnu in a cnu

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FireNix
BRONZE Member since Apr 2001

FireNix

old hand
Location: India/Bristol

Total posts: 904
Posted:The Whip cracking was OK...
But the lassoo work - that was ...awesome
Thanks for linking that
You off to Uber?


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Gnor
BRONZE Member since Mar 2003

Gnor

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Perth

Total posts: 5814
Posted:IN my dreams wink. I am off to a medieval weekend at Balingup. A stones throw from the other lovely places down south.

But he smiles and cracks a whip with attitude, as well as moving. Thats up there with belly dancing without watching your feet and smiling ubblol

So off to make a lariat are we Rob? It spins and makes circles and imagine that on fire. eek Yum


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Will it be Beneficial to all concerned?

Im in a lonely battle with the world with a fish to match the chip on my shoulder. Gnu in Binnu in a cnu

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FireNix
BRONZE Member since Apr 2001

FireNix

old hand
Location: India/Bristol

Total posts: 904
Posted:Yep Im gonna get into lasso (is lariat another name?)
I need to constantly find new toys, as I end up teaching people 'my' new toy and they eclipse me almost immediately!!
But yeah youre right lasso on Fire - jumping through or that lovely up and down move where he's in the middle - ON FIRE. Thats gotta be worth
Love to you Hun
Hope nyou get some cracking at the medievil show


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Gnor
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Gnor

Carpal \'Tunnel
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Posted:Apparently last year there was a whipcracker who just about took bits off people as she made space for herself.



Will keep my eyes out for people down there.



From wikepedia wink I just use both words interchageably. I dont think lassos ever took off in Aust like whips. Our horse saddles arent designed for it like the western saddles with the horn. The stock saddles here can have huge pads to keep you in but not big horn.



A lasso is a loop of rope that is designed to be thrown around a target and tighten when pulled. It is a well-known tool of the American cowboy. The word is also a verb; to lasso is to successfully throw the loop of rope around something. When referring to the entire length of rope used, before or after a loop is formed, the rope itself is more properly called a lariat. Many cowboys simply call it a "Rope."



Heres a website with stuff



lariat


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Will it be Beneficial to all concerned?

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mcp
PLATINUM Member since May 2003

mcp

Flying Water Muppet
Location: Edin-borrow.

Total posts: 5276
Posted:I love whips.

I wanna learn the victorian cutback, seems a bit like bovrils weird crack but in a different plane, very elegant crack.


"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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FireNix
BRONZE Member since Apr 2001

FireNix

old hand
Location: India/Bristol

Total posts: 904
Posted:Where are you MCP
Im in Edinburgh now, but havent seen you.
Would be good to have a crack session (I'll bring the pipes!)
You doing Bristol?


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mcp
PLATINUM Member since May 2003

mcp

Flying Water Muppet
Location: Edin-borrow.

Total posts: 5276
Posted:out on the middle of the meadows most nights... sometimes at tollcross circus club... not usually at fire on mondays... sometimes busking on the royal mile... missed your birthday party due to the busking... sorry. frown

otherwise I'm at work, a working.

meadows thou usually... but not tonight.

Bristol = hopefully... last weekend of. biggrin


"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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arashi

Pooh-Bah
Location: austin,tx

Total posts: 2363
Posted:i miss the meadows.
im gonna crack yer ass fer thinking you got some game.
bring it biotch!


-Such a price the gods exact for song: to become what we sing
-Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty.
-When the center of the storm does not move, you are in its path.

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UCOF
SILVER Member since Apr 2002

UCOF

Carpal \'Tunnel


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Posted: Written by: a-r-a-s-h-i

i miss the meadows.



ditto


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FireNix
BRONZE Member since Apr 2001

FireNix

old hand
Location: India/Bristol

Total posts: 904
Posted:You bring son of a biotch
You should come over to NZ after the Japan FF
Come and stay in the Land of the Long Cloud - I gonna be living there for the season
Peas out


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[Nx?]
BRONZE Member since Nov 2001

[Nx?]

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Europe,Scotland,Both

Total posts: 3749
Posted:meadows rock!

be there tomoro or stay in!

T wave


This is a post by tom, all spelling is deleberate
-><- Kallisti

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TheBovrilMonkey
SILVER Member since Sep 2001

TheBovrilMonkey

Liquid Cow
Location: High Wycombe, England

Total posts: 2629
Posted: Written by: mcp


I love whips.

I wanna learn the victorian cutback, seems a bit like bovrils weird crack but in a different plane, very elegant crack.



I've just been watching Mike Murphy's No bull whipcracking DVD and it seems that the wierd crack is indeed a victorian cutback.
I just don't do it very elegantly wink


But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.

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Mr_Chutney
SILVER Member since Apr 2003

Mr_Chutney

Tosser
Location: Herefordshire

Total posts: 1711
Posted: Written by: TheBovrilMonkey


I've just been watching Mike Murphy's No bull whipcracking DVD and it seems that the wierd crack is indeed a victorian cutback.




Really?
That's so awesome that I now want to have your babies ubblove


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mcp
PLATINUM Member since May 2003

mcp

Flying Water Muppet
Location: Edin-borrow.

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Posted:victorian cutback appears to be a crack to the side, but yours is more down... and it's done both sides alternately... which is way cool. I guess they are the same, just different orientations.

"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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Puk
SILVER Member since Aug 2002

Puk

Sweet talented nutter
Location: Brisbane Oz

Total posts: 2615
Posted:It sounds similar to the tasmian cut back

that shrewd and knavish sprite

Called Robin Good Fellow ; are you not he that is frighten of the maidens of the villagery - fairy

I am the merry wander of the night -puk

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TheBovrilMonkey
SILVER Member since Sep 2001

TheBovrilMonkey

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Location: High Wycombe, England

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Posted:Yeah, I'm getting a bit annoyed at the similarity between cracks with wildly different names.

The victorian cutback (at least on the dvd I was watching) is almost identical to a coachman's crack, which is almost identical to a forward loop crack, which is almost identical to a tasman cutback.
The only differences seem to be positioning and a small timing tweak.


But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.

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mcp
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mcp

Flying Water Muppet
Location: Edin-borrow.

Total posts: 5276
Posted:I don't mind, the tasmanian cutback is really a series of three cracks I reckon, not just a BTB cattlemans. It's more like a figure of eight in wheel plane and then a plane change into btb wall plane for the cattlemans.

I think the victorian cutback looks the same as most other direction change cracks, it kinda has to, but the hand motion to do it is wildly different. There's only really three cracks, but I thick the cutback might almost be a fourth.


"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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Gnor
BRONZE Member since Mar 2003

Gnor

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Perth

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Posted: Written by: TheBovrilMonkey


Yeah, I'm getting a bit annoyed at the similarity between cracks with wildly different names.
.



Bit like poi really


Is it the Truth?
Is it Fair to all concerned?
Will it build Goodwill and Better Friendships?
Will it be Beneficial to all concerned?

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Konstantin
GOLD Member since Jun 2007

journeyman
Location: Vilnius

Total posts: 66
Posted:Whips... sounds nice
Interesting, are there any starting tutorials available?

And, what would you suggest to use for a fire whip?
Just kevlar rope or there must be smth special?

Zestianssik


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