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KaelGotRice
KaelGotRice

Basu gasu bakuhatsu - because sometimes buses explode
Location: Angel's Landing, USA
Member Since: 21st Jul 2003
Total posts: 1584
Posted:Hey all,



Those who know me well may know that I moderate at gs.c - www.glowsticking.com. Our website is devoted to the art and culture of dancing with glowsticks. We're a bunch of ravers and hippies and kids at heart who just want to have fun doing what we do. For that we have a strict anti-competitive posting rules and say no to "dance battles". I'd like to say that we all follow the raver ideals of PLUR - Peace, Love, Unity, and Respect.



In San Antonio, Texas, a culture of poi battlers has grown. They go to clubs fighting over who is "better" and groups of "crews" and gangs have risen up. There was a website of them called String-E people in the past, where they would compete and fight and argue over who did what move first and who copied another poist.



This is the story of one of our members who got attacked for his beliefs in non-competition.



 Written by: djsparrow

It was December 29th 2006. My wife had been pregnant for three months and was about to end her first trimester. this was ultimately her last time to go out and party before the pregnancy really started to slow her down. We decided that we would go out to Sky Lounge, one of the more popular nightclubs in Austin.



Before heading out i was contacted by a GS.C member with the name "Spicy_truth". Now i knew he was from San Antonio and a member on the String-e-people website. usually that's not a problem, some of them are very laid back and fun people to hang out with. For those wondering why i mentioned that, for some reason or another the entire scene down here who has access to GS.C seem to have this fetish for calling me a biter, and a faker. why? My best guess is because i denied the culture and influences they try to force upon kids who want to start (i started in 2001 and was raised on GS.C) So ever since 2001 randomly at events and whatnot i'll either get "called out" to battle someone, will be recognized as a GS.C member, or they will actually KNOW me. Spicy_Truth had said he wanted to meet me, and wanted to talk some censored out. at the time i didn't know if that was a welcoming or a warning, so i told him to meet me at sky lounge.



We arrived at Sky Lounge around ten o'clock and went on to the main dancefloor. about fifteen minutes passed and then a Hispanic teenager about 5'4" tapped me on the shoulder and said,



"You sparrow?"

"yeah?"

"you're a censored biter dawg"

"do i know you?"

"Spicy... i wanted to tell you to your face you're a biter"

"how am i a biter? if i ever borrow any ideas i give the rightful respect to them"

"Bullshit dawg you're a biter straight up"



the argument continued for almost an hour, we had also somehow managed to wander over to the tables and sat down. no voices were raised, no fists were thrown, we even bought some drinks to quench our first to continue talking. Misty (my wife) and I had ordered water. Misty about halfway through th whole thing said she needed to go to the restroom and uickly excused herself. as she walked off i watched her make her way across the floor and my eyes were quickly drawn to the amazing lightshow going on at the Dj booth. Spicy interuppted my gaze by smacking the table with his palm and yelling "sparrow" to get me back to reality, and the conversation continued. Misty returned as the conversation ended with,



"alright whatever man, to GS.C you're a god, but to the rest of the world, you're a biter"



Spicy stood up and walked out to the dancefloor muttering out loud how i had ruined his night. he met up with three other guys that were standing off near a wall, and signalled that they were all going to leave. Misty and I finished off our drinks and went out to the dancefloor thinking nothing of this whole argument.



We made our way onto the dancefloor and i resisted the urge to string, as it was one hell of a party that night. Misty was up near the heart of the dancefloor, and i had strayed behind as i was caught in a circle doing a liquiding routine. when i was able to make my way out of the circle (maybe three minutes max) i started to look for her. i couldn't see her. dear god i had lost track of her and i had her phone. where is she, i need to find her. and i saw the most sickening sight i could ever imagine.



Misty laid sprawled across the floor not moving, people not even noticing she had fallen down. i pushed people out of the way to get to her, christ she had a shoeprint on her cheek, how long had i been in that circle? i picked her up in my arms, she was hot, very hot. i tried calling her name and gently nudging her, praying to god i could get a response. she remained limp in my arms. what the hell had happened? was it really that bad of an idea to go dancing while she was pregnant? why was she so hot? dear god how long had she been trampled?



I ran out of the club with her swinging in my arms. her breathing was so soft. as i sprinted out to the parking lot i dialed 911.



"9-1-1 emergency"

"my wife is pregnant and she's passed out"

"what is your location"

"we're down at sky lounge on congress"

"we're sending an ambulance right away"



I threw open the back doors and opened one of the water bottles i had in the back. covering her mouth, i poured the bottle over her face to hopefully wake her up and cool her down. nothing happened. i checked her pulse, her heart was racing. but if her heart was racing why was she breathing so softly? the ambulance arrived a few minutes later and i carried her up to the stretcher and we drove off to the nearest hospital.



After answering all of the questions the emergency care workers were asking, i looked at Misty. seeing my wife carrying our child in a dire state like that, i couldn't bare see it. i covered my eyes for i don't know how long. the ambulance came to a hault and the back doors were swung open. Misty was carried off to EU, and they said i could see her in a few minutes. this of course sent me into a fit of rage demanding to be by my wife's side, this was ridiculous i promised her i would never leave her side, and this was an obvious time that i needed to be there with her. it took them fifteen minutes of talking to cool me down and get me to just sit and wait. i watched that damn clock like a starving wolf, counting each second click past. a doctor was walking towards me, had the clock changed dramatically? the little arm was on eleven.

"Bourland?"

"yes"

"your wife, does she have any type of severe allergies?"

"no, only cedar fever, but it's moderate"

"Does she abuse any kind of drugs?"

"no, what do you mean?"

"well. there is an extreme trace of MDMA in her. enough to kill someone."

"Oh my god, is she-"

"no, she's alive, we lowered her temperature back down. but some things did occur"

"what. what do you mean?"

"Well we aren't sure what the MDMA has done to her mentally. you see MDMA affects-"

"yes i know, i've read up on it."

"okay, well the other problem. was. the child-"

"oh my god. no!"

"I'm afraid so."



She was released under my care that morning. Misty slept for three days straight. In the mean time the police were asking about what had happened, and i replied the entire situation to them. The police said they had nothing to go off of, all they had was an occurance and without anything hard to go with, it was a dead end.



That day Cleric and CynicDave messaged me. apparently Spicy_Truth had made a remark about all that had happened. Cleric deleted the comment that was posted on my video thread and sent it to me. CynicDave banned, IP banned, and traced where the message had come from. Spicy had posted the message from a San Antonio office supply store. i fed all of the information given to me from Cleric and Dave to the police and they said they would look into it. The next two days i worked as much as i could so i could start paying off the mounting bills from the hospital.



It was the first of the year in 2007 when i got a call from the police at ten in the morning. they asked me to come down and verify some information. i told Misty i would be back in a few hours, and took off.



Down at the police station they asked me to identify two men they had in captivity. One of them was Spicy, and the other was one of the guys he had walked away with that night. i told them yes those two were there that night. the office told me that Omar (spicy) had admitted to everything, and all i needed to do was sign a couple of papers, and i wouldn't even need to show up in court. Later that day i recieved another call stating that they had both been sentenced to 19 years each in prison.



All of that from a corrupt environment. is that really what it comes down from? you are willing to KILL someone to prove an opinion that someone is a biter, in an artform? My wife and myself will forever be emotionally scarred, and i will never have the child i could have had because of this. i want this to be a message to everyone, that this is a possibility to everyone, and every society. the culture down here is so corrupt that problems are no longer settled on dancefloors, its settled in hospitals. I could turn this whole story into one big "dont battle" message but i want it to be more than just that. i want it to be an exhibit of how bad society can get. how a culture you love so much, can become so volatile. Don't hate others, don't alienate others, don't call people biters, haters, fakers, or whatever comment you can think up. why can't we all be one thing, family? mine has already been destroyed, and the last thing i want to see is others have this happen. i swear to god, i want this to be the only incident to ever happen. i enver want to go on to GS.C and read that someone else has lost a family from the culture. and that's why i'm going to try and save what little there is to save out here. i know there are still members out here who share the same beliefs, and ideas as i do. i refuse to give up on the texas scene even though i've lost so much out here (credibility, my unborn child,and almost my wife) and i refuse to see it happen to anyone else.



sincerely,

Sparrow





I'll let you draw your own conclusions- but if you could, please reflect on this story.



If you could also give your condolences and hug to "djsparrow" on glowsticking.com or "djsparrow" on AOL Instant Messenger. I'm sure he and his wife would appreciate it.



Thank you,

~Kael

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To do: More Firedrums 08 video?
Wildfire/US East coast fire footage
LA/EDC glow/fire footage
Fresno fire

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ado-p
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Posted:ubblol

This thread is sooooo HOP.

Maybe someone should start a new thread based called 'taking issue with pele...'

I'll reserve my opinion for the sake of the anti rant movement but for gods sake people, chill out, this is the internet....


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onewheeldave
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Posted: Written by: NYC


So... if someone takes issue with Pele's posts they should notify a moderator?

ubblol



I would have thought so- as I understand it, if you consider any post to be innapropriate you report it to the mods.

If it's about a mods post they would probably, if they recieved it themselves, in the interests of objectivity, pass it onto a moderator other than themselves.

Not that I'm saying Peles post was innapropriate- i certainly wouldn't have reported it.

But, the few here who kicked off would, IMO, have done better to not post insults and instead used the button, if they felt that strongly about it.


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onewheeldave
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Posted: Written by: Sym


No, because people only take issue with Pele's posts because she's a mod - it has nothing to do with what she said.

ubbangel



I may have missed something but, to me it seemed that some were taking issue with what she said.

I'm not sure why her moderator status would be relevant.


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Posted: Written by: ado-p




Maybe someone should start a new thread based called 'taking issue with pele...'




ubbangel


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Drudwyn
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Posted:OWD, I believe that was sarcasm, hence the smiley.

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Rozi
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Posted: Written by: ado-p


but for gods sake people, chill out, this is the internet....



ubblol Sorry, this is making me laugh my head off at the moment!! Thanks, ado-p!!

Back on topic, is there any news on how Sparrow and his wife are doing?


It was a day for screaming at inanimate objects.

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FireTom
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Total posts: 6650
Posted:Reading through the initial post I too have troubles in believing the story, especially regarding the all too fast result and lack of media coverage to this.

Therefore I can also support Peles doubts upon this and regard offensive posts in response as absolutely inapropriate. umm

Hence:

I close shoulders with Jo, that it costs us nothing to be nice and it's better to light a candle of love than to curse the darkness...

Condolences to Sparrow and his wife hug if this story is a hoax I would still keep this up.....


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Antti_Everything
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Posted: Written by: NYC


I agree that the story sounds a bit amazing but the manner in which you (Pele) flat out and sysematically contradicted it was beyond rude. You could have asked for clarification. You could have at least acted open minded but you didn't. You constructed a long post which blasted the story. Maybe it was true, maybe it wasn't, but the tone and seriousness of the issue demanded more respect than you gave it.



This sums up my thoughts on the subject perfectly. I find Peles post to be very offensive and disrespectful to the people involved and who personally know them. And so I have no problem understanding Naganootch for getting upset and calling names.


Point your toes.

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FireTom
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Posted:Understanding is the key... Calling names does not contribute to the HoP guidelines and rules and now what IF this story would not be the truth? umm



Whatever applies to Pele, applies to the "other bunch", no? Instead of calling names, verification and proof should be demanded.



Anybody called the respective attourneys office or police station?



Still my condolences remain... hug



[edit] and to add: it also appears so unbelievable to me that s/o (of the spinning community) would perform such unspeakable act for such reason. As we're facing loads of hoaxes every day (the reason for that? go figure) that - even though I have no disproof - I am very sceptical for similar reasons as Pele pointed out.



yet my condolences remain [/edit]

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Naganootch
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Posted:EDIT : I'm not posting anything further in this topic. Because getting upset and being "AGRESSIVE" isn't allowed when someone tells you your friends unborn child didnt die and that he made everything up.
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Antti_Everything
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Posted:FireTom.. this isn't a debate about styles or whatever and then people get mad for nothing and start calling names. A life was lost. And I personally don't give a f about HOP guidelines if someone is being so disrespectful in such a case as Pele was and seems to continue with the same attitude. You can't let everything slide and ask for understanding. If this would've happened to me or my friends I would never tolerate such trash we've witnessed here. And Pele calling Naganootch immature for calling her a b...h ?! "Just because we don't agree.." ! I guess she just don't get it how much she is hurting some people..

I have no interest in fighting on forums/communitys like this. But if someone is being this disrespectful for other peoples pain and grieving then I'm sorry but I'm out of understanding.


Point your toes.

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Naganootch
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Posted:Some of HoPs guidlines.

Before posting a new topic

Is it the Truth? Yes
Is it fair to all concerned? Yes
Will it build goodwill and better friendships? If people didnt act the way they did then yes it would have.
Will it be beneficial to all concerned? Yes as a community it would have very beneficial to raise awarness of how screwed up things are in different scenes in different parts of the US.

Before replying to a topic

Is it fair to all concerned? I dont think it was fair at all to make a post like you did.
Will it build Goodwill and Better Freindships? Pele struck out in that dept.
Will it be beneficial to all concerned? Was you telling me my friends child didnt die benefial to me? No.


Was this post 2 aggressive for you? I tried to maintain a certain level of decorum for this post because I dont want you to tell me to edit it like i had to with the other posts. But again if you feel it was please let me know and i will make the changes you request.


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NYC
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Posted: Written by: Naganootch


Some of HoPs guidlines.




Some of us were here before those guidelines so they "grandfather" out of them.

Not me of course... other people. wink

In all honesty, I've never found those guidelines very useful. If you can get two people to agree on what "fair" and "benificial to all concerned" means then they probably weren't argueing in the first place.

But that's just me.

ubbangel


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Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]

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Loki_the_trickster
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Posted:WOW I've been lurking through this and I can't keep quiet anymore.

First to Sparrow and family: my condolances......
I can't even imagine a poi scene like that.......well I can but it sucks to do so........I feel lucky to have the poi family that I have discovered here on the east coast of the states.

To NYC and some others clap clap clap
I am truely disgusted by peles remarks and have lost alot of respect that I thought I had for her. COLD, CALLOUS, and UNCALLED FOR!!!!!! Is how I would classify the remarks made and in this situation I feel its completely shameful, especially for a Mod!!!!! I truely believe that if a non-mod made the same statements that pele made they would've gotten pounced on alot more by all of us than pele did.......I think we let her off the hook gently because she is a mod. Heck I personally have reported someone for commiting similar acts and the thread was deleated and they arn't around HoP anymore.

Oh and for those of you questioning the quickness of the Texas law system........well this is a state mind you that if you murder someone and three or more credible witnesses see you do it you dont just sit on death row for years and years like most states with the death penalty......oh no.....in Texas you go straight to the front of the line and will be exicuted within days or weeks of being sentenced. So in a case like this where the offenders in question admit guilt, I see no reason that in a state like Texas that they wouldn't get sentenced quickly. In all honesty when I read how quickly the sentencing came down I questioned it for a second, and then I remembered that this happened in Texas and it made sense that it was so quick. I've even heard comics make jokes about the Texas "justice" system and its "fast food justice" or how they put in an "express lane" on death row.


My ADD makes it so that.....Ooooo SHINY.....wanna go ride bikes....wait....where am I.....

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Posted:Post deleted by PK_

PK.

"To be an angel, one need not have wings.
In giving love there is an equal grace.
Nor need one seek the aura in the face,
As love unveils the beauty of all things."

*Francois Couperin.

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Loki_the_trickster
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Posted: Written by: PK_


she had a point to make thats all. confused Or did i miss some thing completly confused


confused I think you did miss something
Anyway thats a moot point shrug


My ADD makes it so that.....Ooooo SHINY.....wanna go ride bikes....wait....where am I.....

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acidchild
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Posted:This story has some minor holes in it, but I personaly would be more skeptical of one that didn't.
At any rate my condolences to sparrow and his family.


Too many secerets are locked in side your minds, but your all equal in life, equal in love. your all building castels in the sky dreaming of a better world.

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Posted: Written by: Wikipedia


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When Pele makes a post, it is a personal post (so i assume) she is not making it on behalf of HoP, or as a Moderator (In a "i have powers type of way")... BUT as a person, an indevidual.. just like me and you! confused i just dont understand any of this beef with her confused

Im just sorry that this thread just turned out to be yet another slanging match and a waste of time.


Pele hug ubblove to you.


PK.

"To be an angel, one need not have wings.
In giving love there is an equal grace.
Nor need one seek the aura in the face,
As love unveils the beauty of all things."

*Francois Couperin.

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PK_
PK_

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Member Since: 20th Dec 2001
Total posts: 4991
Posted: Written by: Loki_the_trickster



 Written by: PK_



she had a point to make thats all. confused Or did i miss some thing completly confused



confused I think you did miss something

Anyway thats a moot point shrug





confused care to be specific?.....



E anke chi e un "moot point"? tu parla inglese vero?... io penso te capisco un cazzo di questi qui, pero, quello e il mio punto. Secondo me! hug

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PK.

"To be an angel, one need not have wings.
In giving love there is an equal grace.
Nor need one seek the aura in the face,
As love unveils the beauty of all things."

*Francois Couperin.

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onewheeldave
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Member Since: 28th Aug 2002
Total posts: 3252
Posted: Written by: Antti_Everything



This sums up my thoughts on the subject perfectly. I find Peles post to be very offensive and disrespectful to the people involved and who personally know them. And so I have no problem understanding Naganootch for getting upset and calling names.



Use the 'notify mod' button if a post is considered to be offensive and disrespectful- that's exactly what the button is for.

Especially since, compared to most online forums, HOP is well-moderated, so complaints are taken seriously.

Name-calling is of no help, is against board guidelines and generally simply results in an equally,or more so, offensive reply.

That is how flame wars start and flame wars are not welcome on HOP.


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But you can make the Bastard work for it."

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Loki_the_trickster
Loki_the_trickster

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Member Since: 1st Feb 2006
Total posts: 1266
Posted: Written by: PK_


 Written by: Loki_the_trickster


 Written by: PK_


she had a point to make thats all. confused Or did i miss some thing completly confused


confused I think you did miss something
Anyway thats a moot point shrug



confused care to be specific?.....

E anke chi e un "moot point"? tu parla inglese vero?... io penso te capisco un cazzo di questi qui, pero, quello e il mio punto. Secondo me! hug



 Written by: PK

Im just sorry that this thread just turned out to be yet another slanging match and a waste of time.


OK I'll play i guess...............

First thanks for the definition, I didn't need it but it helps my case in oh so many ways.
 Written by: wiki

Among a moderator's enforcement duties is often the duty to stop flaming and keep the board a friendly place, free of personal insults


FAILED
 Written by: wiki

moderators are expected to stay out of all contentious debates, or at least to use alternate accounts to engage in them unbeknownst to common members.


FAILED
Might be a good idea though because I know that for me personally I look at mods as representatives of the site. Even though it is thier personal opinion they are expressing they have a responsibility to hold because they are just that representatives of the site.

 Written by: PK

When Pele makes a post, it is a personal post (so i assume) she is not making it on behalf of HoP, or as a Moderator


ubblolit says "moderater of steel" right under her name........go figure shrug

Anyway I think the way this was handeled is horrible. Weather you believe it or not should never have been the debate here. But then again its HoP social discussion I guess its to be expected. Now I remember why I avoided comming into discussion for so long. Anytime I open my mouth here it gets me into long typing matches that go nowhere.

 Written by: NYC

And Pele, count yourself lucky that people actually believed your whole Fire Breathing accident without all the proof you demanded in your post.


This rings so true......now I never said I don't beleive this horrible story that happened to pele. I beleive it is true and it is a horrible thing, but I could go through it bit by bit and pick it apart and find holes in the story that could easily call it into question as being real. I would never do that mind you but I could and that is exactly what pele did here.

 Written by: PK

E anke chi e un "moot point"? tu parla inglese vero?... io penso te capisco un cazzo di questi qui, pero, quello e il mio punto. Secondo me


I pluged that into a translater and got this
"And anke who and moot point? you it speaks English true? I task you understand I haul here of these, pear tree, that one and my point. According to me"
Can you explain that? ubblol Pear tree? confused


My ADD makes it so that.....Ooooo SHINY.....wanna go ride bikes....wait....where am I.....

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Stout
Stout

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Location: Canada
Member Since: 12th May 2004
Total posts: 1872
Posted: Written by: Loki_the_trickster



Oh and for those of you questioning the quickness of the Texas law system........well this is a state mind you that if you murder someone and three or more credible witnesses see you do it you dont just sit on death row for years and years like most states with the death penalty......oh no.....in Texas you go straight to the front of the line and will be exicuted within days or weeks of being sentenced. So in a case like this where the offenders in question admit guilt, I see no reason that in a state like Texas that they wouldn't get sentenced quickly. In all honesty when I read how quickly the sentencing came down I questioned it for a second, and then I remembered that this happened in Texas and it made sense that it was so quick.



Maybe if that were actually true, then your reasoning would make sense, but anyone with an internet connection can easily tell that the shortest time anyone ever spent on death row in Texas was 252 days Also note that the same page lists murder of a child under the age of 6 is a capital offence, and if this is indeed murder ( as the thread title states ) then from arrest to conviction in a number of days, and even over the holiday season to boot, is as scary as it is amazing


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Loki_the_trickster
Loki_the_trickster

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Location: Stuck in the mire
Member Since: 1st Feb 2006
Total posts: 1266
Posted:Ahhhhh yes you are correct stout.......I just looked it up myself and the bill hasn't been passed through legislation yet, my bad.......I'll rephrase it and say they are trying to put in an express lane on death row.......
Wait.........
offtopic

Where did that darn topic go?

*goes off in search of*


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NYC
NYC

NYC
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Member Since: 26th Aug 2001
Total posts: 9232
Posted: Written by: PK_


E anke chi e un "moot point"? tu parla inglese vero?... io penso te capisco un cazzo di questi qui, pero, quello e il mio punto. Secondo me! hug



PK, I'm not sure if you were here for this but most threads with any Italian in it has been censored, locked and then deleted. HoP has made it very clear that this kind of language is not welcome here.

I'm glad the wiki brought up the issue of moderators refraining from personal opinion. I think there have been many conflict of interest issues over the years.

In fact, I'm surprised this thread hasn't been locked or deleted.

[Point.]


Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]

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georgemc
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Location: Christchurch
Member Since: 16th Oct 2006
Total posts: 2387
Posted: Written by: NYC


In fact, I'm surprised this thread hasn't been locked or deleted.


Straight after this I'll lock the thread. Seems to me that some people need some "time out".

Info - when you "notify Mods" the notification goes to all the moderators and Malcolm and I. If anyone has an issue with a moderator, reporting them to the mods will still work.

The extent of my opinion on this particular thread - HoP is not about personal attacks. If you believe you have been subjected to a personal attack please refrain from blasting the person "in public" - take it offline or notify someone. The world would be a better place if this "rule" was widely practised.
It is always HoP's intent to keep these forums safe for everyone. While Malcolm and I are usually far too busy to spend as much time as we would like to keep an eye on the boards, we care about them and more importantly we care about all of you. We even care about people we have to ban (on those thankfully rare occasions) for the good of everyone else.
So now I'm invoking the "time out" rule and ending with a message of support for all - especailly all of you who have had your feelings hurt over this thread.
grouphug
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