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PK_
BRONZE Member since Dec 2001

PK_

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Total posts: 4991
Posted:Ok ... i wanted to post this to give newbies some food for thought.

Way back in 2001 i decided to list some ideas for progression categorised into families.

I never really got around to finishing all of my ideas but i want to post this list in hope that it will be of use for some one.

Also to help myself relearning new ideas.

Maybe as a community it would be good for some feed back or help in this list.

I have never shown any one this list or posted it any where until now, remembering that it's ideals are aimed towards newbies and progressing into intermediate and onwards. Sine i have made this list there are ehaps of new stuff, from isolations, atoms, hybrids etcetera... maybe these could be listed.

I felt that a basic description was never really needed... so leaving only a list. wink


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Butterfly moves. 58

Buzz saw butterfly same time
Buzz saw butterfly split time
Horizontal buzz saw butterfly left hand on top same time
Horizontal buzz saw butterfly left hand on top split time
Horizontal buzz saw butterfly right hand on top same time
Horizontal buzz saw butterfly right hand on top split time
Behind the back buzz saw same time
Behind the back buzz saw split time
Butterfly -same time
Butterfly -split time
Butterfly weave two beat -same time
Butterfly weave two beat split time
Butterfly isolation same time
Giant Butterfly -same time
Giant Butterfly -split time
Butterfly behind the head -same time
Butterfly behind the head -split time
Butterfly behind the back -same time
Butterfly behind the back -split time
Butterfly through the legs from the front -same time
Butterfly through the legs from the front -split time
Butterfly through the legs from behind -same time
Butterfly through the legs from behind -split time
High wave same time
High wave split time
Low wave same time
Low wave split time
Alternate high to low wave same time
Alternate high to low wave spit time


These next few moves can be done as one full move right to left then transfer back to the right again 16
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Butterfly transfer from the right side to the left -same time
Butterfly transfer from the right side to the left -split time
Butterfly transfer from the left side to the right -same time
Butterfly transfer from the left side to the right -split time
Butterfly transfer from the right side to the left behind the back -same time
Butterfly transfer from the right side to the left behind the back -split time
Butterfly transfer from the left side to the right behind the back -same time
Butterfly transfer from the left side to the right behind the back -split time


These next few moves are with both poi traveling in the same direction. 38

Chase the sun same time
Chase the sun split time same as high wave.
Giant chase the sun same time
Giant chase the sun split time
Two beat Windmill same time
Two beat Windmill split time
Giant Windmill split time
Three beat Windmill with the extra beat in front split time
Three beat Windmill with the extra beat behind split time
Four beat Windmill same time with wrap in front un wrap behind
Four beat Windmill same time with wrap behind un wrap in front
Four beat Windmill split time
Infinite Windmill anything more than 4 beats I class as this because your turning through forwards to reverse windmills.
High wave same time same as chase the sun
High wave spit time
Low wave same time
Low wave split time
Alternate high to low wave same time
Alternate high to low wave split time


These next few moves are waist wrap style moves. 16

Butterfly with right hand around the back same time
Butterfly with right hand around the back split time
Butterfly with left hand around the back same time
Butterfly with left hand around the back split time
Butterfly with right hand around the back left hand over left shoulder same time
Butterfly with right hand around the back left hand over left shoulder split time
Butterfly with left hand around the back right hand over right shoulder same time
Butterfly with left hand around the back right hand over right shoulder split time

One Hand Butterfly. 80

Butterfly weave two beat in left hand same time
Butterfly weave two beat in left hand split time
Butterfly weave two beat in right hand same time
Butterfly weave two beat in right hand split time
Butterfly in left hand same time
Butterfly in left hand split time
Butterfly in right hand same time
Butterfly in right hand split time
Butterfly transfer left to right with left hand same time
Butterfly transfer left to right with left hand split time
Butterfly transfer left to right with right hand same time
Butterfly transfer left to right with right hand split time
Butterfly transfer right to left with left hand same time
Butterfly transfer right to left with left hand split time
Butterfly transfer right to left with right hand same time
Butterfly transfer right to left with right hand split time
Butterfly in left hand behind the head same time
Butterfly in left hand behind the head spit time
Butterfly in right hand behind the head same time
Butterfly in right hand behind the head split time
Butterfly in the left hand behind the back same time
Butterfly in the left hand behind the back split time
Butterfly in the right hand behind the back same time
Butterfly in the right hand behind the back split time
Butterfly through the legs from the front in left hand same time
Butterfly through the legs from the front in left hand split time
Butterfly through the legs from the front in right hand same time
Butterfly through the legs from the front in right hand split time
Butterfly through the legs from behind in left hand same time
Butterfly through the legs from behind in left hand split time
Butterfly through the legs from behind in right hand same time
Butterfly through the legs from behind in right hand split time
Butterfly in left hand towards the ground transferring above the head same time
Butterfly in left hand towards the ground transferring above the head split time
Butterfly in right hand towards the ground transferring above the head same time
Butterfly in right hand towards the ground transferring above the head split time
Butterfly in left hand above the head transferring towards the ground same time
Butterfly in left hand above the head transferring towards the ground split time
Butterfly in right hand above the head transferring towards the ground same time
Butterfly in right hand above the head transferring towards the ground split time

Thread The Needle moves 50

Thread the needle weave three beat same time
Thread the needle weave three beat split time
Thread the needle same time
Thread the needle split time
Triple stitching with right hand same time
Triple stitching with left same time
Double thread the needle same time
Thread the needle behind the head same time
Thread the needle behind the head split time
Thread the needle through the legs from the front same time
Thread the needle through the legs from the front split time
Thread the needle through the legs from behind same time
Thread the needle through the legs from behind split time
Thread the needle with left hand through the legs and the right hand over on the outside of the left leg spinning behind same time
Thread the needle with left hand through the legs and the right hand over on the outside of the left leg spinning behind split time
Thread the needle with right hand through the legs and the left hand over on the outside of the right leg spinning behind same time
Thread the needle with right hand through the legs and the left hand over on the outside of the right leg spinning behind split time
Thread the needle with right hand through the legs and the left hand on the outside of the left leg spinning behind same time
Thread the needle with right hand through the legs and the left hand on the outside of the left leg spinning behind split time
Thread the needle with left hand through the legs and the right hand on the outside of the right leg spinning behind same time
Thread the needle with left hand through the legs and the right hand on the outside of the right leg spinning behind split time
Thread the needle with the left hand through the legs from behind same time
Thread the needle with the left hand through the legs from behind split time
Thread the needle with the right hand through the legs from behind same time
Thread the needle with the right hand through the legs from behind split time

Thread The Needle Waist Wrap. 8

Thread the needle with right arm around the back threading on the left. same time
Thread the needle with right arm around the back threading on the left. same time
Thread the needle with left arm around the back threading on the right. same time
Thread the needle with left arm around the back threading on the right. split time

Weave Style moves. 118

Buzz saw split time
Buzz saw same time
Buzz saw isolation split time
Horizontal buzz saw right hand on top split time
Horizontal buzz saw right hand on top isolation split time
Horizontal buzz saw left hand on top split time
Horizontal buzz saw left hand on top isolationsplit time
Buzz saw behind the back split time
Buzz saw behind the back same time
Exaggerated naturals no crossovers
Two beat right hand over left same time
Two beat right hand over left split time
Two beat left hand over right same time
Two beat left hand over right split time
Two beat off set as four beat right hand over left same time
Two beat off set as four beat right hand over left split time
Two beat off set as four beat left hand over right same time
Two beat off set as four beat left hand over right split time
Three beat same time
Three beat two beat on opposite side one beat on natural side crossing together same time
********Insert other 3 beat same time weave here*********see drew.
Three beat split time
Three beat with right hand on natural exaggerated split time
Three beat with left hand on natural exaggerated split time
Three beat with both naturals exaggerated split time
Four beat on the left same time
Four beat on the left split time
Four beat on the right same time
Four beat on the right split time
Five beat same time
Five beat split time
Six beat on the left same time with wrap
Six beat on the left split time with wrap
Six beat on the right same time with wrap
Six beat on the right split time with wrap
Seven beat same time with wrap
Seven beat split time with wrap
Two beat behind the back right hand over left same time
Two beat behind the back right hand over left split time
Two beat behind the back left hand over right same time
Two beat behind the back left hand over right split time
Two beat off set as four beat behind the back right hand over left, passing under the left same time
Two beat off set as four beat behind the back right hand over left, passing under the left split time
Two beat off set as four beat behind the back left hand over right, passing under the right same time
Two beat off set as four beat behind the back left hand over right, passing under the right split time
Three beat behind the back same time
Three beat behind the back split time
Four beat behind the back on the left same time
Four beat behind the back on the left split time
Four beat behind the back on the right same time
Four beat behind the back on the right split time
Five beat behind the back same time
Five beat behind the back split time
Six beat behind the back on the left same time with wrap
Six beat behind the back on the left split time with wrap
Six beat behind the back on the right same time with wrap
Six beat behind the back on the right spit time with wrap
Seven beat behind the back same time with wrap
Seven beat behind the back split time with wrap

Off Set Seven Beat No Wrap Moves. The Jedi Set. 36

Two beat on the left, right hand over left same time
Two beat on the left, right hand over left split time
Two beat on the left, left hand over right same time
Two beat on the left, left hand over right split time
Two beat on the right, right hand over left same time
Two beat on the right, right hand over left split time
Two beat on the right, left hand over right same time
Two beat on the right, left hand over right split time
Three beat on the left same time
Three beat on the left split time
Three beat on the right same time
Three beat on the right split time
Six beat on the left same time
Six beat on the left split time
Six beat on the right same time
Six beat on the right split time
Seven beat same time
Seven beat split time * 420 moves so far listed*

Waist Warps

Here is where i finished up!


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PK.

"To be an angel, one need not have wings.
In giving love there is an equal grace.
Nor need one seek the aura in the face,
As love unveils the beauty of all things."

*Francois Couperin.

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PK_
BRONZE Member since Dec 2001

PK_

Lambretta Fanatic


Total posts: 4991
Posted:basically just to give you some ideas for progression and learning. smile

PK.

"To be an angel, one need not have wings.
In giving love there is an equal grace.
Nor need one seek the aura in the face,
As love unveils the beauty of all things."

*Francois Couperin.

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Stout
SILVER Member since May 2004

Stout

Pooh-Bah
Location: Canada

Total posts: 1872
Posted:Well, now that you've intimidated the average newbie with a massive list. wink maybe some sort of order in which these moves might be most effectively learned might be a little less daunting.

After all, the idea with newbies is to get them up and "doing poi" as quickly as possible and suggestions as to which moves and transitions to learn and in what order will ( hopefully ) keep them interested in continuing on with these arts.


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Posted:its a good list, but putting them in order of which to learn first would be great

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TheBovrilMonkey
SILVER Member since Sep 2001

TheBovrilMonkey

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Location: High Wycombe, England

Total posts: 2629
Posted:Surely the order in which to learn things depends greatly on the individual?
Even if PK reorders this list it could well be completely the wrong order for someone else who may find butterfly based moves really easy but same direction moves really difficult.

Also, the free lessons section of this site goes through things in a reasonably logical sequence for most people and as PK said - there are no descriptions in this list, so people are going to have to look for other help in learning moves anyway.


But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.

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Stout
SILVER Member since May 2004

Stout

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Location: Canada

Total posts: 1872
Posted:BovrilMonkey, fair enough, but I was thinking that your average newbie might find the giant windmill easier to learn, than the 5 beat BTB weave, both are on the list, so if one were to pick at random....

I can see a potential problem here.


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mcp
PLATINUM Member since May 2003

mcp

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Total posts: 5276
Posted:oh please! Can't somebody just bump the "teaching moves" thread? wink

"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

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[Nx?]
BRONZE Member since Mar 2017

[Nx?]

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Total posts: 3749
Posted:oh please!


NOOOOOOOOOOO!

T wave


This is a post by tom, all spelling is deleberate
-><- Kallisti

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TheBovrilMonkey
SILVER Member since Sep 2001

TheBovrilMonkey

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Location: High Wycombe, England

Total posts: 2629
Posted: Written by: Stout


BovrilMonkey, fair enough, but I was thinking that your average newbie might find the giant windmill easier to learn, than the 5 beat BTB weave, both are on the list, so if one were to pick at random....

I can see a potential problem here.



*shrugs* I don't see a problem at all, unless people don't think for themselves anymore (yes, I know it's quite possible they don't wink ).
Just looking at the name should be a good indication for most people. As a general rule, the longer and more complicated the name, the more complicated and difficult to learn the move - I'm sure people can work that out for themselves.

As the start of a comprehensive list of moves goes, I think this one's pretty good (although a complete list would be huge).
As a 'how to spin poi for newbies' guide, it doesn't work very well, but that's not what it was intended to be I think.


But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.

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Stout
SILVER Member since May 2004

Stout

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Location: Canada

Total posts: 1872
Posted:I see your point BovrilMonkey, It's just that your perspective as an experienced spinner, doesn't really translate well to newbies wondering what to do next. You know what the moves are all about, I do too, but someone new to these arts isn't really going to have the same comprehension when it comes to difficulty.

Waist wrap,,that sounds easy.....doesn't it?


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TheBovrilMonkey
SILVER Member since Sep 2001

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Posted:That's because the basic front half waistwrap is relatively easy.



Add in a couple more words or an acronym to the name and it gets a lot harder, but in a list of waist wraps, it should be obvious to most people which are going to be easier or harder.



I really don't think a list can be sorted to show which basic moves from each family are easier - I find front half waistwraps much easier and more comfortable to do than a standard butterfly, so if I sorted that list it'd be out of sequence for a lot of people - people have to learn that for themselves, or it'll be hampering their learning as much as it'd be helping anyone else's.



Edit..

Also, I think that showing people moves based on their difficulty is completely the wrong way of going about it - a hell of a lot of moves are only considered difficult because they run contrary to how we learnt to spin.



For example - people who've spent years spinning poi can have major problems learning antispin, because it just feels different to all the spinning they've ever done.

Show it to someone who's only just started spinning and they generally get it sorted relatively quickly - they've not learnt any habits that make it difficult.

EDITED_BY: TheBovrilMonkey (1168800713)


But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.

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Stout
SILVER Member since May 2004

Stout

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Location: Canada

Total posts: 1872
Posted:Bov..only problem with your theory is that it runs contrary to any idea of moves that should be considered basic building blocks. For instance, nobody says you have to learn the reverse three beat weave after learning the forwards one, but it's going to hamper your efforts if you decide that the next move you want to learn is the fountain.

However,,I was never happy with my TTN, until i learned the four beat TTN, which made this relatively easy in theory, but harder in practice, move feel much more comfortable to spin.


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PK_
BRONZE Member since Dec 2001

PK_

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Posted:Theory and learning wink that was the intent by my posting this... it was never finished in the first place, it was a method in which i learned by and probably give ideas to others.

Some may criticise... some may not, either way it is now here on hop for people to make up their own conclusion. ubbidea That was my idea... and in no way was it meant to be an in-depth list of moves, just ways in which it is POSSIBLE to do moves and variations grouped into families... progression is there upon the newbie. wink

(my thoughts and theories from some years ago) might be wrong might be right... confused ubbidea


PK.

"To be an angel, one need not have wings.
In giving love there is an equal grace.
Nor need one seek the aura in the face,
As love unveils the beauty of all things."

*Francois Couperin.

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LazyAngel
GOLD Member since Jul 2004

LazyAngel

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Posted:well, after 2.5 years of spinning, this list has still given me some food for thought (all that stuff about legs and ttn), so nice one PK biggrin

Because ActiveAngel sounds like a feminine deodorant

Like sex, I'm much more interesting in real life than online.

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Posted:go bov and stout!

if you've several hours spare, go and read the teaching moves thread......

ubblol

(sorry tom wink )


Holistic Spinner (I hope)

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PK_
BRONZE Member since Dec 2001

PK_

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Total posts: 4991
Posted: Written by: Soverntear



its a good list, but putting them in order of which to learn first would be great





rolleyes isn't it easier to just pick one from the list rather than some one telling you what to learn!.



 Written by: Bovril

*shrugs* I don't see a problem at all, unless people don't think for themselves anymore (yes, I know it's quite possible they don't ).





ubblol Looks at Tom.... hug


PK.

"To be an angel, one need not have wings.
In giving love there is an equal grace.
Nor need one seek the aura in the face,
As love unveils the beauty of all things."

*Francois Couperin.

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PK_
BRONZE Member since Dec 2001

PK_

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Total posts: 4991
Posted: Written by: LazyAngel


well, after 2.5 years of spinning, this list has still given me some food for thought (all that stuff about legs and ttn), so nice one PK biggrin



hug

mission accomplished! .. some one found use of the list. smile


PK.

"To be an angel, one need not have wings.
In giving love there is an equal grace.
Nor need one seek the aura in the face,
As love unveils the beauty of all things."

*Francois Couperin.

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Posted:i am quite new at the poi thing still, and it'd be useful to know how the moves in this list look or what they do, for example i need some more fast or 'wow' moves for when the music reaches its loudest level, and some lazy smooth moves for the slower bits.

then i could skip to bits to add in to my repertoire (such as it is!)

(i know it all depends on how fast you go, but hopefully you get what i mean- those bits where people go 'ooooh' or 'aaaaah')


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PK_
BRONZE Member since Dec 2001

PK_

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Posted:That comes with practice and understanding.

Having split the list into families it is relatively simple to figure out what the pattern will look like.

Most are pretty basic like.. some are just plain stupid but to give you an idea of what can be done rather... than giving up after 3 beat weave and the butterfly. wink

For a more descriptive view there is a thread by simian which links all of the useful most asked about poi moves for newbies listed at the top of the poi moves forum, if that will help you understand the workings of some of the basics, i even contributed to them oh so long ago.


PK.

"To be an angel, one need not have wings.
In giving love there is an equal grace.
Nor need one seek the aura in the face,
As love unveils the beauty of all things."

*Francois Couperin.

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