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Pele
Pele

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Posted:http://hotzone.yahoo.com/b/hotzone/blogs19056



It's fascinating.
It's about time.
I am forced to wonder if more stood up this way, if this one would not go to prison.
I feel he is executing his constitutional rights and that is being ignored because he is a soldier and the belief that when they take their oath they cease to be right protected citizens is at play.

They can defend it but they can not take part in it.

I wish there was something to do but I'm not sure what.

Herm.


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EndOn9
EndOn9

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Posted:But.... a contract is not binding if it is for an illegal purpose. If this war is illegal (a conclusion which does not seem unreasonable) then he is within the law to refuse to take part in it.

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Rouge Dragon
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Posted: Written by: _khan_

from the military perspective, allowing him to avoid any discipline would really destabilize an already shaky military. It would send the message that soldiers can feel free to disregard orders they don't agree with, and that would result in a bigger mess than the one we already have over there.

Perhaps the best solution would be to just discharge him and be done with it.



Yes, but even just discharging him is suicide (for the armed forces). Because discharging him is sending the message to soldiers that all they need to do to get out of the war is to take the same stand. Even a simple discharge is a precedent. And like anyone cares for a "dishonourable discharge" when it gets them out of a war?

And I might be off topic here, but I think the Iraq War has moved on from "protecting America" (as I think Lt. Watada mentioned) and therefore he doesn't want to fight. I actually find that really selfish in that he will "only protect America".

*had a thought*
"Lt." That's a Lieutenant, yes? That's an officer position, yes? I think that makes it worse. Killer of morale. How the hell do you think the privates (GIs? I know less about the US Forces than the ADF) under him are going to feel!


i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...

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Rouge Dragon
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Posted: Written by: _khan_

from the military perspective, allowing him to avoid any discipline would really destabilize an already shaky military. It would send the message that soldiers can feel free to disregard orders they don't


i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...

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Posted:He swore an oath to, and I quote exactly from [link]http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/faq/oaths.htm[/link]

"I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God." (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)

At no point does this say "President"

"I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic"

What happens when the domestic enemy is your own President? What happens when he orders you to steal oil from sovereign nations?

This is what he has chosen his path to be. Good luck the the free-thinker.

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faith enfire
faith enfire

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Posted:well since the president is the commander in chief and head of the military so any order from him is from a commander
and of course the cic is in charge of defending the constitution


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Mr Majestik
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Posted:what if you're an atheist? is the pledge still valid?

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Pasta of Muppets
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Posted:Heaven knows tongue

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wonderloey
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Posted:lol...

You can generally leave the god parts out of oaths and make them affirmations instead... Just as legally binding.


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Rouge Dragon
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Posted:yes, it is. the US military recognises a whole gaggle of religions. the "god" is just a formality and is legally binding regardless.

i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...

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