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Rouge DragonBRONZE Member
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The Tweenager



The word "Teenager" was coined in the 1920s and it seems the Noughties (= 00s for those who didn't know) is coining the "Tweenager"



Honestly, it makes me want to cry and to never bring kids into such a world. I see Bratz birthday cakes in my job all the time, and as Pineapple Pete will tell you, they make me want to scream. I see little girls in knee high boots and mini-skirts asking me to put "My Humps" or "anything by the PussyCat Dolls" on and it just makes me so sad. My own mother was worried when I started listening to the Spice Girls who sang about Girlpower and friendship. And I was 11. These girls are 6 and listening to song lyrics that say "loosen up my buttons, baby"



Any parents out there like to comment? Any younger ones like me who are worried about the world they will bring children in to?

EDITED_BY: Rouge Dragon (1166795427)

i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

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alien_oddity 7,193 posts
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Posted:
-NOTE- my sig faithinfire wink


it is a dig at the hip hop scene for glorifying gun culteure and matteriaism that is infecting the youth of today.

i've always had a thing against "pop" music, from thow much record companys rake in while the artist only gets a fraction but in the case of all these manufactured groups it's their own bloody fault for being money grabbing gits.

all these storys we hear about clubbers being stabbed up or shot stems from hip hop events (not saying it's 100% to blame)

ok so i break the law going to illegal raves but there is rarely ANY trouble and if there is it is delt with.

in the UK town centers and city centers are a nightmare at night, i've been into the city early in the mornings and aside from the usual pavement pizza and spilt kebabs the ammount of blood all over the place is shocking.

faith enfireBRONZE Member
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Posted:
thanks
my point really was= that the family needs to be vigilant...of course some stuff is going to slip through the cracks but we have to communicate
i know that it is hard with many parents workin...i think that is where the whole it takes a village thing is relevant in today's world

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 Written by: jo_rhymes



I'm glad my brothers don't listen to hard house, but for no reason other than that music is sh!t.



ubblol hahahaha 100% with you on that statement jo ubblol


Hey some of us like hardhouse now if ya want knock trance I won't have a problem with that.

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alien_oddity 7,193 posts
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don't get me wrong acidchild i did used to like hardhouse and still have some cd's kicking around the place ( did you know they make exelent cofee coasters and look wicked) ubblol

i could knock trance but i'm more into acid trance or psy trance, acid techno, drum and bass, dub, hard style, clown core, jungle you know the types of music that gives you internal injurys from the bas ubblol

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I'm a happycore kid for the most part but I like the hardhouse, and some club. What's clown core I don't think I've heard of that (I know I'm a stupid candykid).

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alien_oddity 7,193 posts
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Posted:
THIS is clowncore



and the man behind it all ed cox wink





it's known as the hard-cordian ubblol

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I see, I think you're talking more about gangsta rap than hip hop. There are some really positive hiphop groups out there. I particularly reccommend Ugly Duckling. They are fun, don't swear, and are just fun guys! smile

Faith, your brother sounds like a clever kid already! biggrin

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faith enfireBRONZE Member
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Posted:
he takes after his sister...
we are book smart and street stupid aka gullible as all get out

it's an odd family
my parents overachievers with high iqs and we are chronic underachievers with high iqs
and a dog that thinks he is a cat

Faith
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Posted:
 Written by: faithinfire



hip hop seems to be more objectifying and materialistic-this is of course a generalization.





It certainly is! There's as much negativity in hip hop/rap as there is in rock. There'll always be darker sub-genres, even involving girl bands as [Old link] describes. But there's also a lot of positive music to be found in each as well - if you're that worried about it, get him some old school stuff like Grandmaster Flash, the Sugar Hill Gang or something more recent like Jurassic 5 cool



I don't completely agree with everything that has been said on this thread about bras and g-strings. If g-strings had been available when I was a "tween" I would have asked for/bought some for no reason other than finding normal knickers uncomfortable from an early age. I also asked for a bra from an age at which I felt that I wanted to cover my chest. I can understand the issue for very young girls who don't yet understand the idea of modesty! but when they're wearing trousers, it's surely no-one else's business what they wear underneath. I know that this is an example of a wider point about creating an unrealistic standard which children aspire to at the cost of their self esteem, which I'm also concerned about, but only a part of it and I think it's one of the lesser worries when compared to long terms problems which continue into adulthood, such as body dysmorphia, eating disorders... frown



I do also agree that some of these things have a lot to do with parenting. Some of it is misguided because some parents deny their children things because they don't know enough about the positive aspects of them, but on the other end of the scale, some let - or make! - their children have everything for fear of being accused of depriving them and then use "pestering" as an excuse!



My 5 year old son is fortunate enough to be able to access children's television programming uninterrupted by toy advertisements, which I'd imagine account for a lot of pestering. (There is commercial viewing available but what he doesn't know won't hurt him wink ) When he asks for something, it'll be because he's seen the real thing and if he's given it, he appreciates it because he's not being guided by the fads. The media may be at fault for a lot but it hasn't taken away a parent's responsibilities and their right to say no smile

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. I can understand the issue for very young girls who don't yet understand the idea of modesty! but when they're wearing trousers, it's surely no-one else's business what they wear underneath.



The problem is that what they wear underneath is *not* being kept to themselves, otherwise we wouldn't know about it! It's that "lovely" effect of the crotch grazing trousers and the hot pink diamante thong clad backside bared to the world that generally offends me!

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It's true that the two aren't often well combined! but I've never noticed it to the extent where a child's whole backside would be visible confused

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i had knickers with days of the week on! biggrin

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Posted:
https://www.soonews.ca/viewarticle.php?id=10059
a news article that considers this subject, quite well written...

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wonderloey 255 posts
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Posted:
This article is also really interesting, linking with the obsession with self esteem, and the ways in which we are making our kids less considerate and caring by empowering them without giving them boundaries.

It's published in 1998, but apart from the pop culture references, is still pretty relevant. Scary stuff.

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Rouge DragonBRONZE Member
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ah ha! 1998! i was getting confused reading that! ubblol
and i'll admit, its damn long and i skimmed a lot!

my answer to 1998, the era of the teenie bopper, is that the singers in that era mostly sang about friendship and love. The Spice Girls, for example, sang about friendships coming before boys. And there were also 5 of them with different personality traits, showing it was ok to be different because we could all be friends...i was a teenie bopper, and that's what the spice girls effectively taught me. i wasn't alive for germaine greer's hey day. the spice girls is my generation's way of learning independence.
i honestly don't get what the article is saying about the spice girls and i think a lot is being taken out of context. and what's wrong with "girl power" anyway? shrug

but then again, i read that article and i can't relate to any of it. although if i put my best friend at the time into it, it's alarmingly accurate in places.

i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

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Rouge DragonBRONZE Member
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I have another theory:

I was having a think in the shower before (not surprisingy, I have a lot of body-image thinks in the shower) and this is another blame the parents one.

I was remembering last year how my aunt make herself very clear to me her opinion on my un-shaped eyebrows, and I could hear the pride in her voice when she told me that her two year old was starting to show interesting in things like that and didnt think it would be long until she said mummy, can you teach me to pluck my eyebrows too? Just is case you missed it the first time; my cousin was two. And later in that week, my aunt and her friend were watching one of those horrible plastic surgery shows and vocally commenting on how the plastic surgery made them look so much better.

And I go to thinking; every year there are new trash-mags on the market (trash-mags = those magazines full of celebrities) and these tv shows about beauty. The women (yes, they are marketed primarily at women) who buy these, read about how they are NOT the epitomy of beauty and there really isnt anything they can do about it post-baby belly. So what do they do? Start their daughters young. Start priming them now so that THEY can become the epitomy of beauty and look as gorgeous as those abominations in trash-mags. And thus, we are bombarded with 10 year olds going on 20 year olds (20 year olds? These girls dress more provocative than me and IM 20!!) that their mothers create so that they can live vicariously through them. Or perhaps so they can be proud and show them off to other trash-mag mums? Maybe the mothers *do* have the girls best wishes at heart though and simply want the girls to grow up like they are fitting in with that image of beauty and will never have to go through what their poor mothers went through by not being the size of Nicole eating disorder Richie?

And thus was my shower-think.

i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...


PeleBRONZE Member
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Posted:
In regards to the Hip Hop thing. Ya know...ALL genres of music have their good and bad, their objectifying and not, their skanks and not. I just went through this with my son last night. He had Christmas money and wanted to buy a cd. He was debating between Eminem and Jibbs. While Jibbs annoys me to no end, he was the better choice. He "sings" (I use the term loosely) about "bling" and hanging with friends, whereas Eminen...well, we all know about that.
While I am not fond of either, I chose what I feel as a parent is the lesser evil. This way my son still exerts his independence and experiments with his own personal style and taste while remaining within my guidelines.

And we have a rule here. If you want to dress like a punk, a thug, whatever...go ahead...but there are guidelines (like keeping the pants pulled up and the boxers covered up). However, he can not ACT like one. The moment he acts like one...it's over and it's time to say good-bye to the funky hair and clothes.

We've shaved his head under this rule twice in his life now and found that it does make a huge difference when that rule is worked on. It's a very clear cut, concise rule here too that he is reminded of often.

Though, I do thank goodness I have a boy. If I had a girl who wanted to dress like Britney or PCD, or act like a hip-hip hootchie, a rock groupie, or a hayseed [censored]....well, there would be chains and a reckoning involved methinks.

Rougie, my sister used to tell my neice when she was just an ankle biter that she was getting fat. And I mean, my niece was 4. She had some baby fat on her but no rolls, nothing. She was shaped like a 4 year old should be. It was horrible. Through the diligence of my mother (who is very close to my niece) she stopped this behaviour before it got too bad but it was unreal to hear, and to have to yell at my sister for. It was completely my sister's fear of being fat herself superimposed onto my niece. Sickening.

On the other hand, my son is stick thin. He has a high metabolism and is a runner. He will eat all day and not gain a pound. My sisters both insist he is unhealthy and keep telling him that they will fatten him up.
Both my son and I take offense to this. I do because it makes me sound as if I am a bad mother and my son because he knows he is healthy. He feels my sisters are pressuring him to eat just so he can be "fat" and it offends him.

It's an extreme double standard that either way is unhealthy.

I also agree with you on the Spice Girls. I never thought they were so bad, not like many today.

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jo_rhymesSILVER Member
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Posted:
rouge, the spice girls sang about having sex and about "when 2 become 1"! ubblol

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Rouge DragonBRONZE Member
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jo, they did, for sure. twas a song about safe sex and about sex in love wink

i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...


faith enfireBRONZE Member
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Posted:
pele: true
actually, me and brother had a talk about eminem-one of a very few rappers that i listen to, besides, he is so hot in a midwest trash way wink
i was accused of being anorexic regularily, so i took to wearing baggy clothes and escaping from gym...
i think the spice girls were on the cusp of being too sexy and sassy...it seemed they leaned on the glamour aspect more...i never really liked them-haha i used to think what they wore was too revealing and now i see what the singers where...

Faith
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rouge! really? haha!

the spice girls were sexy, but they were about having fun smile

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Rouge DragonBRONZE Member
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Posted:
yeah, the line "get it on" is supposed to mean "put a condom on" ubblol

i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...


jo_rhymesSILVER Member
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oh right! I thought it meant "let's get it on!" as in the barry white sense of the phrase!

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Rouge DragonBRONZE Member
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*giggles all crazy*

i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...


kashGOLD Member
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Posted:
 Written by: jo_rhymes


i had knickers with days of the week on! biggrin



I always wanted them! I generally had white vests and pants, often with pink bows or bunnies on them.

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Posted:
Kids have sexual thoughts quite early on (often quite muddled and unclear). The difference is giving them a safe space and time to explore those thoughts without feeling pressured to act on them and without feeling that they are dirty.

I reckon I was sexually curious and hormonal when I was about seven. I can also remember having crushes on boys prior to that age, although my fantasies were normally about using my intelligence and brilliance to save them, and ride off into the sunset with them (yep, I was never your classic princess girly ubblol ). I knew instinctively not to share this stuff with my parents, or at least I have no clear memory of doing so and being told off.

I was never allowed to dress provocatively. My interest in clothes was more about fashion and labels, and my parents said no to that as well as it was expensive!! When I started buying clothes for myself, I usually went for more classy grown up than sexy grown up, although I would have died for a long silk black dress with a side split (this would have been in my early to mid teens).

There are two scary aspects to what is happening. Firstly the thoughts and ideas of sex that are being explored are supplied to the child rather than created by them. Every person is different in what they find pleasurable, and these kids are being left little space to find what is normal for them (my favourite eek quote on this subject came from a study done into female misogyny which quoted a girl who had appeared in one of those "Girls Gone Wild" shows as saying "I'm just disappointed that I didn't do it right, I didn't come". eek Did she think that maybe it was cos she didn't enjoy it in that way?)

Secondly there is a massive amount of pressure to act on thoughts and feelings. The fashions imply a sexual availability that the kids just aren't really ready for. Also there is a "everyone should be doing it" attitude.

I am sure many of us would agree that we thought about sex long before doing it, and despite the level of frustration that built wink there was a benefit in that we were a lot more sure, and it meant a lot more.

I know this has been a long rant, but as an additional side note, have you noticed that the toys that come with McDonalds Happy Meals are no longer unisex? These days you can get boys and girls Happy Meals, usually with the boys toy being some kind of car, and the girls being a little doll or some crappy pink plastic jewellry. So glad to see girls being groomed for the serious business of looking good. rolleyes

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faith enfireBRONZE Member
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Posted:
people didn't believe i could do some of the roofing and stuff, little old me, i outworked them all
we need to raise more tomboys

Faith
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Rouge DragonBRONZE Member
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Whee! Bring on the tomboys!!! I was being all handy and making stuff out of random wood in Japan and my host family were like "wtf? a girl with a saw???" ubblol

i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...


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Posted:
Rouge - good on you.
Me, I'm the only female in my class at tech - doing car mechanics biggrin

Are you up for it?
wink;)


Rouge DragonBRONZE Member
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I was the only female in my class twice in higschool. One was a programming/robotics one and the other was an electronics one...and guess who was out there getting better marks than the boys! ubblol

i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...


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