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Rouge DragonBRONZE Member
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Posted:
The Tweenager



The word "Teenager" was coined in the 1920s and it seems the Noughties (= 00s for those who didn't know) is coining the "Tweenager"



Honestly, it makes me want to cry and to never bring kids into such a world. I see Bratz birthday cakes in my job all the time, and as Pineapple Pete will tell you, they make me want to scream. I see little girls in knee high boots and mini-skirts asking me to put "My Humps" or "anything by the PussyCat Dolls" on and it just makes me so sad. My own mother was worried when I started listening to the Spice Girls who sang about Girlpower and friendship. And I was 11. These girls are 6 and listening to song lyrics that say "loosen up my buttons, baby"



Any parents out there like to comment? Any younger ones like me who are worried about the world they will bring children in to?

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i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...


kashGOLD Member
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Posted:
The question of whether this is to do with freedom of sexual expression is interesting.

IMO the tween culture is actually repressing the development of the child's sexuality (and children do have sexuality, it's just very different from adult's) by impressing upon them an innapropriate one. They imitate the percieved behaviour of adults - we all know most adults don't behave like that, just like most adults don't smoke heavily and drink until they pass out every weekend,but children's perception of what adults do doesn't match what they actually do, because they have no real understanding. By "copying" adults they are effectively taking a shortcut to adult sexuality, without actually learning and developing properly for themselves. I can see this leading to a lot of very messed up adults.

Children are far more aware of sex than they used to be or probably should be. As a teacher I regularly hear kids talking about acts that a lot of adults wouldn't have a clue about. I have had to deal with an 11 year old boy who had some very nasty hardcore pornography on his phone, and was showing it around his friends. Bizarrely his mother didn't seem to get that there was an issue when she was told that his sexual knowledge was far beyond that which was normal for a boy of his age. We had to very carefully explain to her (yeah really) that a boy who hasn't ever kissed a girl should not have an awareness (let alone video footage) of this sort of thing, let alone consider it normal and healthy, I dread to think what would happen when he did get his first girlfriend.

Hermana_del_absurdoBRONZE Member
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Posted:
I have a sister, who's 6 years younger than me (I'm 15), and .... well, it scares me that she's wearing shorter skirts than me, talking more sh*t than I do, and she's had more 'boyfriends' than I've ever had, and she's not even out of primary school!! When she's with her friends, all she ever talks about is how fat she is and how she has to lose weight. Sheesh! It scares me to think what she might turn out like.



EDIT: I don't believe that the parents are entirely responsible, because my mother and father are the most conservative people in the world. Seriously. My mother wouldn't let me buy a bikini till a couple of months ago or wear anything that showed off too much boob or leg. I believe that it is mostly the media's and clothing companies fault. They pound young people's minds with images to look like this, wear a bikini, even though you have no boobs, wear this, spend, consume.
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faith enfireBRONZE Member
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Posted:
how is your sister getting these clothes?
the media should not be raising these children. the parents are more responsible than the media. i jsut can't imagine these people in marketing having children or what these kids look like. these parents have some control over the content of what enters the children's minds. of course, the kids may have friends with parents who buy whatever and let them watch whatever, but then the child's parents must talk to the child and tell them why this or that they beleive to be inappropriate for someone of their age

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Rouge DragonBRONZE Member
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You're 15 and allowed a bikini? Oh my goodness! I wasn't even allowed a two-piece with a tank top until I was at least 16! eek

i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...


EeraBRONZE Member
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Posted:
I'm willing to jump off cliffs attached to various contraptions in which I trust my life. I've been stranded in the Sahara, in a missile attack in Lebanon and a riot in Jerusalem without so much as blinking. And I am scared sh*tless by a bunch of 13 year old wannabes.

I remember from my school days there was a competition to be the first to have the latest toy, the most sparkly top, then it became the first to kiss, then the first to have sex. One girl managed (consensually) when she was nine. This was 21 years ago, so it's not a thing from the noughties at all.

I think I mentioned the Bratz thing in a post sometime in the past, but I was having a flick through a Bratz book as my neice wanted one, having a look at their "career section'. Guess what girls, we can be dancers, or models, or hairdressers. They weren't real keen on us being dragline operators or forklift drivers though.

While kids are trying to be too grown up too fast, keeping them in a perpetual childhood is an entirely modern phenomena. When my great-great grandfather was eight, he sailed from Liverpool to Sydney by himself, got himself an apprenticeship in a butchers in Bathurst, and by the time he was 14 had saved up enough money to get his parents and siblings over to Australia as well. I don't know how many eight year olds are allowed to cross the road by themselves these days.

Out of interest, what do people from countries that have lower ages of consent than we do think? In Norway it is (or was last time I bothered looking) 12, in Japan it's 13. Is a childish expression of sexuality regarded with the same amount of horror there?

There is a slight possibility that I am not actually right all of the time.


Rouge DragonBRONZE Member
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Posted:
Japan:

pox doctor gives the scoop on schoolgirls and stds

i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...


faith enfireBRONZE Member
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Posted:
eera: the life span i believe was shorter back then so i bet it would even out ratio wise

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CharlesBRONZE Member
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Posted:
Thank goodness I have two sons... Now I just need to protect them from all the girls out there...

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FireByNiteSILVER Member
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Posted:
yea, watch out for the litle 5 year olds when they start school wink

na, it's when they get a bit older to watch out with your boys. My 10 yo is just starting to get attention from girls like that

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jo_rhymesSILVER Member
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Posted:
does this have anything to do with the tweenies? rolleyes


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FireByNiteSILVER Member
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Posted:
ubblol

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Posted:
 Written by: Eera


Guess what girls, we can be dancers, or models, or hairdressers. They weren't real keen on us being dragline operators or forklift drivers though.




Of course not! Girls can't do that... All girls can do is sell themselves on their bodies, because no one will value them for who they are, rather, do they look pretty/sexy. No big corporations are going to make money from having a generation of women who are confident within themselves, who see what's in the mirror as only a portion of what they are, because they won't buy beauty products and expensive shoes to fill the void.

No one in our corporate culture has a vested interest in making girls and women feel good about who they are on the inside, because that doesn't sell. Selling is what our capitalist society is all about.

How do you fight it? we have to start fighting the assumption that you are nothing more than what you own/wear. We need to start rejoicing in each others successes instead of covering up our jealousy. We need to make kids aware of their bodies, make boundaries to what's appropriate, not as a moralistic, disciplinarian thing, but as part of a wholistic understanding of children's health and mental wellbeing.

/rant

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kashGOLD Member
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Posted:
I remember in my early teens reading magasines like "Shout" and they were full of model worshipping, articles like, "could you be a model?, "models and their mums", "how to be a model", "model's fave makeup products". I remember willing myself to grow to 5'8" like my sister (I'm actually only a measly 5'3") so that I could be a worthwhile person and maybe get spotted by a model scout....

Unfortunately I never made it, apart from some charachter modelling as a student, I merely got a degree, became a scientist then qualified as a teacher, I am, of course, a failure, oh and excruciatingly unattractive apparently.

BEZERKERenthusiast
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"Thank goodness I have two sons... Now I just need to protect them from all the girls out there..."

I'm with you on some levels there Charles.

Gotta say though, not only is it not the best for the young girls behaving/dressing in these ways (I mean look at the majority of female recording artists these days. What role models to live up too) but I as a father of 2 boys think I have an equal challenge in raising them to be repectful to women when this is how they are portrayed.

How do you get a little man to grow in to a gentleman with all the same lyrics and behaviour that is moulding little women in to ho's?

I think there is a danger inherant in the blatant exposure of flesh and flaunting of sexuality for such young people, even for adults really.

I find it hilarious that I feel this way because I am so for freedom of expression and sexual/person inhibition. Yet I feel like the current culture is heading in the opposite direction and maybe forcing people to be OVER sexual as they develop their own personas.

Meh, I'm rambling. I think it's safe to say that that we all agree there is an issue there and a big challenge for those of us trying to mould good peeps for the future....

Rouge DragonBRONZE Member
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Posted:
yes, i think that is a very good point! how exactly ARE boys suppose to grow up learning how to treat women! confused

i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...


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Posted:
You're good people Rouge, every time I breeze in here and see you talking about parenting I always feel like we're on the same page.

Reassuring in a lot of ways ;-)

Rouge DragonBRONZE Member
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oh don't get me wrong! I don't have kids! I just work with them! I'm not a parent and therefore please only take what I say with a grain of salt because in reality I would have no idea what is like for a parent in this day and age! I think that being on must be hell!

i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...


faith enfireBRONZE Member
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Posted:
oooh i said something about thuggish boys awhile ago :sad:

it is going to be scarey to see how this generation turns out...i'm glad my little brother doesn't listen to hip hop...and i know what rock he listens too...we talk too so i can get a gauge

Faith
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jo_rhymesSILVER Member
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Posted:
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i'm glad my little brother doesn't listen to hip hop




ubblol

yeah! imagine what sort of person he'd turn into if he listened to hip hop!!

confused ubblol rolleyes ubblol

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faith enfireBRONZE Member
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Posted:
i don't know the music and it would be hard for us to talk about it in reference to our faith, while the rock we can, 'cause i am familiar with it...
i'm sorry is that clearer
i also would rather him be emo looking than thuggish...i don't want to see his underpants wink

Faith
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jo_rhymesSILVER Member
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Posted:
well if you don't know the music, why are you glad he doesnt listen to it?

It just seems an absurd comment to make!

I'm glad my brothers don't listen to hard house, but for no reason other than that music is sh!t. Why are you glad he doesnt listen to it?

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faith enfireBRONZE Member
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Posted:
i don't listen to it because of the sound and also the message

Faith
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jo_rhymesSILVER Member
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Posted:
that's absurd!!!
you don't like the message of hip hop? what is the message of hiphop then, according to you?

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FireByNiteSILVER Member
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Posted:
as far as I'm concerned, I wouldn't want my "tween" daughter (or son for that matter) getting into emo fashion or hip-hop fashion. They're just too young for it.
There is a big difference between listening to a type of music and following that genre's fashion etiquette IMO

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jo_rhymesSILVER Member
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I think if I had a son or daughter who was interested in music that deeply, I would be proud. As a kid, I'd spend hours listening to music, working out how to play Nirvana riffs on my guitar. music was my life then, and it still is, but not to the same extent.

I was so busy thinking about music that I didn't have time to worry about makeup or boys, or dressing like a tart.

However, if a child of mine was listening to mainstream pop like the pussycat dolls and thought it was good, I'd be very disappointed!

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FireByNiteSILVER Member
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Posted:
I wasn't meaning that I don't agree with kids getting into music (my son picks out Metallica on the piano biggrin) It's just tha my kids are only 9 & 10 so it's a tad young for them to be following the fashion of it. That's all I meant.

Jo - I hope my kids grow up to be similar to you with regards music. What a great attitude you have smile

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jo_rhymesSILVER Member
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thanks firebynite! hug metallica on piano sounds ace! I remember working out "come as you are" by nirvana on the school piano when i was 11. hee hee. it is only about 4 notes though!

As a kid I wore what my parents gave me to wear, and that was mainly either my brother's hand-downs or stuff my folks chose.

Ultimately I was bullied at school for not having all the cool clothes, and for not being into mainstream stuff. I remember telling my entire form group I thought the Prodigy were crap and I got bullied for ages because of it!

But I have always been myself, no matter what. And it saddens me to think that all these kids are dressing up in high heeled shoes, and thongs, and dancing like lap dancers, just to "be cool" or to fit in.

Childhood is a great time, and its a time you can get away with acting like a total nutter and noone bats an eyelid! I think kids should take advantage of that, instead of trying to act like adults. smile

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alien_oddityCarpal \'Tunnel
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Posted:
 Written by: jo_rhymes



I'm glad my brothers don't listen to hard house, but for no reason other than that music is sh!t.



ubblol hahahaha 100% with you on that statement jo ubblol

Rouge DragonBRONZE Member
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Posted:
 Written by: faithinfire


oooh i said something about thuggish boys awhile ago :sad:




and i read it too...i'm just an airhead redface
sorry faith! hug

i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
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faith enfireBRONZE Member
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Posted:
it's ok i'm used to being ignored biggrin
hip hop seems to be more objectifying and materialistic-this is of course a generalization.
rock has some as well, but it appears to be more prevalent
he thinks drugs are stupid, so that rock message does not apply, and mostly the rest of the message is that evil girl broke my heart and he isn't dating yet soooo\
he thinks the pussycat dolls are trashy
so overall i think my family's moral brainwashing has worked

Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed


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