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LilBBoy
SILVER Member since May 2006

LilBBoy

Discoverer of Rainbow Cheese
Location: Inverness, Scotland.

Total posts: 143
Posted:Hey all! First, thanks for reading this post and I hope the subject interests you. This thread is about what has become known to people as "unofficial religion", or as the school computers tell me when I try to do research on it; "Unofficial/Indigenous/Occult Beliefs".

After being a Buddhist for 2 years, I have found deep satisfaction in my life. Everything has changed for the better. However, I feel that there is more to the story than Buddhism tells. I believe, unshakably, that there is a God, which Buddhism attempts to, in a sense, dispel.

I find it extremely interesting that some of the people I know and love follow their own paths; their own beliefs, which no-one can distort with their own. I find these people admirable and, to say the least, courageous.

What do all of you beautiful people think about this topic? biggrin wink

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wolfcub3223
BRONZE Member since Jan 2007

wolfcub3223

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Location: , USA

Total posts: 128
Posted:Religion is all useless. religion causes wars, Famine, and of course ignorance. the whole world would be better with religion especially Christianity they killed a lot of people and destroyed many cultures just because they thought different. so many horrible things were carried out in the name of "god" and honestly i hate it!

Ich brauche Zeit
Kein Heroin kein Alkohol kein Nikotin
Brauch keine Hilfe
Kein Koffein
Doch Dynamit und Terpentin
Ich brauche l fr Gasolin
Explosiv wie Kerosin
Mit viel Oktan und frei von Blei
Einen Kraftstoff wie Benzin

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GothFrogette
BRONZE Member since Oct 2004

GothFrogette

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Location: Nuneaton, United Kingdom

Total posts: 3999
Posted:religions do not cause wars, there are plenty of christaians for examble out there who have not gone round killing people. its man who causes wars.

no ONE religiong is right for the world, however if its right for the individual then that is all that matters. i am a believer of freedom of ALL religions even if i don't agree with the way they go about doing things. Every one should be alowed to belive what they what.

Fire Tom perhaps i didn't expalin it properly i shall give it another go.

Paganism for me is a natural set of beliefs that follow and honor the universe but mainly the earth that we are on. I do not believe that there are outside dieties who control what we do, but i still honor them for the 'traditional side' of things. mainly as our ansestors did beleive and follow them. i am a strong believer in acknowledging what our ansestors did. without them we would not be where we are now and to ignor that just shows ignorance which unfortuently is so apparent in this day and age.
Anyway we follow the seasons and keep a balance within our lives. everyone should be equal and i bring my children up very open minded and to shopw respect to others. i understand that this is not just a religious thing buit part of being a good parent.The Animistic part i am not sure where it comes from with me. it just what i beleive and like beliving. everything that is natural has a soul. its just nice and well seems that its my life so i will belive what i want. biggrin
sorry if its seems a bit all over the place, i am going to stop there as i have 4 eggs waiting for me to tuck into and i am rather hungry.

in short believe what you want to. if it makes you happy that is all that matters


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faith enfire
BRONZE Member since Jan 2006

faith enfire

wandering thru the woods of WI
Location: Wisconsin, USA

Total posts: 3556
Posted:obviously i do think one religion is better than others and is better than self-based or lack of faith, but i know that other faiths have merit to them and appreciate them...i expect also that others think they are right and i have to respect that
in the end, i think all you can do is lead by example. telling someone they are wrong and going to hell or whatever doesn't do anything but get a few scared sheep in your herd.
leading by example is what jesus did, and he didn't force his teachings on anyone just those graceful enough to listen either because they heard of him or saw how he acted
right now things are a little more do as i say not as i do, but i am trying to make it do as i do
we can all learn from each other


Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed

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burningoftheclavey
SILVER Member since Jul 2005

burningoftheclavey

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Location: over yonder, New Zealand

Total posts: 926
Posted:ravehead absolutely right. nicely simply put.

religion has been the reason for wars, simply because one side does not follow the same religion as the other, and both believe that theirs is the correct and ONLY path to take. thus ensues a cold hearted battle of who is 'right'. maybe if they read ravehads post and in fact this thread in general they might change their views.... smile wink ubbrollsmile


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faith enfire
BRONZE Member since Jan 2006

faith enfire

wandering thru the woods of WI
Location: Wisconsin, USA

Total posts: 3556
Posted:religion is not the reason for wars, the human element of religion is the reason
(don't kill me-guns don't kill people, people kill people)
if it wasn't religion, people would find another reason to war


Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed

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=Flashpoint=
SILVER Member since Sep 2004

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Location: in the interwebs..., United Ki...

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Posted:Yeah sorry, i made my point poorly.

It is the part of us that needs to belong, and turns us away from other ideas cos ours is "right" that causes conflict.

Not necessarily war. just conflict. Might just be not talking to someone for a week, but the principle, i feel, is sound smile

Its just the differences that make us who we are. Taken to extremes, we get fight. smile


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faith enfire
BRONZE Member since Jan 2006

faith enfire

wandering thru the woods of WI
Location: Wisconsin, USA

Total posts: 3556
Posted:i don't know that it is someone is right but that the "others" are wrong

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like democrats, they didn't have a platform of ideas showing what they were but what they weren't...anyone who was what they weren't was then the enemy-aka republicans and conservatives

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Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed

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Stone
GOLD Member since Jun 2001

Stream Entrant
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Total posts: 2830
Posted:Err Fire Tom, sorry but that vast generalization was how I see Western Buddhism. To quote from The History, Philosophy and Practice of Buddhism There is currently an emerging Western Buddhism which is simple, uncluttered, and goes to the core of the teaching of the Buddha. Many concepts and practices, difficult for Westerners are left out. Rituals such as the chanting, the music and dancing, which form part of the Oriental culture are often not found in this new Western Buddhism, which will become a new style in the Buddhist movement.

To answer your question- What does Enlightenment mean to me? Id say it is awakening from the "sleep of ignorance" by directly realizing the true nature of reality. As said earlier, One explanation of enlightenment is the extinction of desire, the extinction of hate and the extinction of illusion. For example, "If a man speaks or acts with a pure thought, happiness will follow him, like a shadow that never leaves him. "He abused me, he beat me, he defeated me, he robbed me" in those that harbour such thoughts hatred will never cease. For hatred does not cease by hatred at any time. This is an old rule. "

Im not sure I agree about your biting dog scenario. You really only establish a victim pattern if you think the dog bit you because of you. Alternative meanings could be the dog bit me because it was sick and irritable, it was miss treated by its owner, or it just bit me.

Flashpoint, getting over our instincts that tell us that we must have something to disagree with to be able to differentiate between "good" and "bad" is what Buddhism is all about.

On the conflict between good and evil. I said earlier that a key to enlightenment is overcoming dualism, without merely substituting it with monism or pluralism. Thinking in opposites (right and wrong, good or evil) makes it difficult to achieve a sense of non-duality. Buddhism does not have a notion of sin because there is no such thing as sin. There is only ignorance and false views. Evil does not spring for the devil, bit from ignorance. There will be no evil left in the world when ignorance and false views are eradicated. Imagine, a world with out conflict.

Im not sure if you read earlier posts on the Tree of Knowledge, but I disagree with your statement: .the knowledge of "right" and "wrong", and the ability to make a differentiation between the two, is our greatest gift, and our greatest weakness. Because, this to me is the trap we need to avoid. Just dont eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. That path leads to death and destuction. If you want an example, just look at how the children of the book (Jews, Christians and Muslims) are slaughtering each other today in the Middle East.


Old Zen Poem
The perfect way is without difficulty,
Save that it avoids picking and choosing.
Only when you stop liking and disliking
Will all be clearly understood.
A split hairs difference
And heaven and hell are set apart!
If you want to get to the plain truth,
Be not concerned with right or wrong,
The conflict between right and wrong is a sickness of the mind.


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If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh

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tim_marston


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Posted:if we change right and wrong for love and fear,i believe we have a much more useful way of looking at the world,it we were all motivated by love rather than fear perhaps we would all be better off?

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=Flashpoint=
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Posted:Damn you tim. Thats what i was thinking about! Not right and wrong, more "positive" and "negative". Then you get into yin/yang stuff, and thats where my brain breaks frown

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burningoftheclavey
SILVER Member since Jul 2005

burningoftheclavey

lurking like a ninja with no camouflage..
Location: over yonder, New Zealand

Total posts: 926
Posted:I have sidled off the path a little. In the last few weeks I've lost my own path, gotten confused by it and doubted it, before returning to a part of it I had already walked on. I had to stop thinking about it to give my brain a break. It feels like I now have to learn a few lessons again that I thought I had learned before but seem to have forgotten. This problem with intuition and thought has come up again...my head was disconnected from my heart.. I'm still in the flow and think my life is fairly synchronistic, I have a big belief in positive vibes, universal love grouphug and world energy but when I started thinking of things on a bigger universal scale and the possibility of other dimensions of the universe my mind seemed to explode a little.ubbloco So back to a smaller scale smile rolleyes

what I think I've learned from this though is to keep focusing on the positive no matter how depressed you feel, always try to re-channel the negative energy into something more positive...there was a point i just didnt feel like i wanted to be happy. but the more i thought about that the more i realised it would just depress me for longer...


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Location: Midlands

Total posts: 346
Posted:My own personal philospophy/religion/code etc is kinda taken from so many sources that even I'm not sure where it all comes from now. Guess it's why people sometimes say I can be "intense".

I try to follow, as much as I can, Bushido. Also elements of Chivalry. But that's just in who I am and what I do.

For what I believe in spiritually it's kind of a bit of everything. Every major, and several minor, religious denominations can be seen.

I'm just a Chameleon I guess. Some people say I'm a mess or that I don't know, but at the same time I point out that neither do they, conclusively, and that they're only doing their own thing too - even if it happens to be the same as others.

Oddness. Long day. Wish the above made more sense to me, let alone anyone else !


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