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LilBBoy
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LilBBoy

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Posted:Hey all! First, thanks for reading this post and I hope the subject interests you. This thread is about what has become known to people as "unofficial religion", or as the school computers tell me when I try to do research on it; "Unofficial/Indigenous/Occult Beliefs".

After being a Buddhist for 2 years, I have found deep satisfaction in my life. Everything has changed for the better. However, I feel that there is more to the story than Buddhism tells. I believe, unshakably, that there is a God, which Buddhism attempts to, in a sense, dispel.

I find it extremely interesting that some of the people I know and love follow their own paths; their own beliefs, which no-one can distort with their own. I find these people admirable and, to say the least, courageous.

What do all of you beautiful people think about this topic? biggrin wink

Peace & Love hug ubblove


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FireTom


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Posted:Crypta?

The problem with programming is, that one thinks to make his/ her own decisions, whilst in fact it's just due to the programming.

Fate is IMU woven into that said programming and can be changed, or dealt with by awareness.

At this point it's rather the individual in the driver seat, than the social background and conditioning from the outside.

Or in other words: one's only able to see where s/he is going if the windscreen is clear wink


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Stone
GOLD Member since Jun 2001

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Location: Melbourne

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Posted:I agree faithinfire. I suspect a lot of people let their past rule their future and call it fate. But isnt your choice dictated by how the past has taught you to react? The point Im making is that you can get back to nothing and create a new future for yourself; a future not dictated by the past.

FireTom, Im not sure having awareness makes a huge difference either. Awareness doesnt necessarily lead to change. Apparently, 66% of Australians are overweight. Now this is not because they dont know how to loose weight or that being overweight is unhealthy. No, its because they just havent bothered to do anything about it.

Sure, a clean windshield helps, but whos really driving the car? And are you driving youre into your future or into your past?


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If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh

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tim_marston


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Posted:wicked thread still thriving,well done peeps.



@stone,you say you can create a future not dictated by the past and i agree,am in right in thinking you are saying you can get there through buddhism and in particular its more pshycological writings?



as for awareness i thyink it a step in the right direction but that is all it is......................

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Posted:teehee!



Sorry for the non-sequitur, but I just gotta share:




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The Tea Fairy
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The Tea Fairy

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Posted:ubblol

That's fantastic! I think we need one at the beginning of the aura thread too... and maybe the intelligent design vs creationism one... smile


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87wt2gxq7

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Posted:Yeah, I thought of all those but didn't want to be accused of being teh spamm0r.

not the way to make friends and influence people! wink


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faith enfire
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faith enfire

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Posted:i seriously don't think that you can act without your past having influence over your future
if for no other reason than you think that you may be acting one way or another to avoid acting from influence of your past
that whole faith diagram, of course, i find irritating because it only takes into account the people who do not grow, and that isn't fair to people who spend time tending to their faith...and just because we find a different explanation to our observations doesn't mean we are wrong we are just operating under a different set of premises


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Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed

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Mascot

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Posted:That diagram is genius

I love it.

I am always on the verge of piling into this thread with a long atheist tirade, but I've resisted. It would upset people and require a lot of energy on my part.


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Posted:I knew a guy who said he made his own self religion turned out he had a strange god complex and shot everyone at his work

Ich brauche Zeit
Kein Heroin kein Alkohol kein Nikotin
Brauch keine Hilfe
Kein Koffein
Doch Dynamit und Terpentin
Ich brauche l fr Gasolin
Explosiv wie Kerosin
Mit viel Oktan und frei von Blei
Einen Kraftstoff wie Benzin

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FireTom


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Posted:... and you knew him? umm Must be a strange feeling...

Now I might become a little cryptic, or appear preaching - feel free to spank me for it. wink

A very good question you were asking, Stone - who's in the drivers seat of my own life? The ego? The mind? The past? God? The universe?

Acting with completely neglecting ones past is IMHO a myth - I side you on that one, Faith. Many "teachers" and "preachers" like to put their scholars in a merry go round, by telling them: "You have to get rid of your mind, your past, your ego in order to accomplish "enlightenment" and to cease "suffering"."

But it's one thing to memorize that shining red iron might be sizzling hot and another that I got once bitten by a dog. Whilst the former will make me test, before I put my hand onto the oven, the latter might turn me into a victim-pattern, if exaggerated.

Personally I come to the conclusion that each and everything/ aspect that is present in my life has it's right to be there - otherwise it wouldn't be there in the first place. Cause and effect, trial and error are valid concepts to me and we had quite a number of "revolutions" already, which (IMNSHO) didn't change a bloody thing.

Neither religion, nor science in itself came back with a 'sufficient' answer of what life is really about and how to become "truly" happy. And as much as I like the diagram above, it's plain simple "proving" that science is better than faith - which is completely erroneous.

Religions and philosophies have undergone a lot of changes and adjustments in the past and they (in fact) do both help us to understand the universe better - it's up to ourselves, how much validity we put in those "regular" belief systems and how much we let them govern us.

The more I personally am making effort to integrate everything present in my life, the more I am discerning - as in opposition of being judgmental - the more pleasant my life gets.

"True" Happiness Love Enlightenment

These are all just terms - it's up to each and every individual to fill these terms with meaning, to explore and to verify what that really means (to us). "Everybody is taking a different road - to the same destination." (New York cab driver) wink

I guess it's easy(er) to follow other peoples road maps, but I figured, that my life is neither a rectangle city, nor a jungle - it's more like a garden that I am responsible of myself. I can take on, or neglect the "duty" to take care about it, I can also pass this "duty" on to others - lately the only thing that is important (to me) about the whole thing, is how I feel about myself and my surroundings and how confident I am able to walk, without implying onto others, or playing power games...

IMHO it's not about running around, appearing like being on Prozac all the time, but to be authentic.


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faith enfire
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faith enfire

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Posted:prozac just makes you a zombie not happy (imo)

but yay for authenticity

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GothFrogette
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GothFrogette

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Posted:I am Pagan sure its not my own 'path' buts it works for me. thats all that should matter. its more of a family if any tradition i follow as my grandma was wiccan and the rest of that side of the family were farmers.

i bring my children up in the same way. i am not going to go into the full detail of what we do as i would be here for ages. but i will say thats its probably not your average way of following an earth based religion as i know that making an offereing to a 'god/godess' will not improve my crops but that making sure the soil is good will. yet we honour the rituals and gods/godess that our ansestors used to before they knew the science so to speak. I think its realy important to remember our ansestory adnw hat they all went through and believed to get us all where we are now.


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FireTom


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Posted:Goth - maybe I am misunderstangin the term "paganism"... could you please point out what that means?

I'm curious, as I heard about it, but actually don't know what it really is redface


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Stone
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Posted:Hi tim, I agree that by following Buddhas teachings you can create a future not dictated by the past, but I was thinking more along the lines of meditation and other mental tools like koans.

faithinfire, what you say about the past is true, but it is often the meaning that we attach to past events, that shapes how we act in the present.

FireTom, I dont think completely neglecting ones past is the answer either, but I agree with the scholars, and suggest you have to get over the stories; like there is an all-powerful supreme being, self-soul and world-soul, before you can move on. You dont need to understand the universe to reach enlightenment Thats the red-herring.

GothFrogette, I think there is much to be learnt from the earth based religions especially as they encourage living in harmony and personal development. Understandings like starlight' vision also help people see the world differently than the current paradigm.

FireTom paganism was termed for country people who followed the old religions and were reluctant to convert to Christianity.




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If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh

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GothFrogette
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GothFrogette

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Posted:there are a few definitions of paganism, one is to denote people who follow any religion that is not Christian, Jewish, nor Muslim.ather is country folk. ie farmers and people who worked with the land.one of a people or community observing a polytheistic religion, as the ancient Romans and Greeks. Its also used as an umberella term that many earth based belief systems such as Wicca, Druidism, Asatru, Shamanism, Neo-Paganism fall under. (there are other traditions too but i honestly can not remember all of them)
so i guess it depends on which deffenition you use.

i personaly have quite an Animistic view on things but do not follow a tradition as such as non actually sat well with me. you see for me to follow a belief system that follows nature and the earth i could never understand why humanity had to put rules there for others to follow.

hope that made it a little clearer?
oh by the way i am a Pagan Witch... and the term witch is given to anyone practicing magic/magick (not the stage form either)and its not just given to us peeps who get accused of riding on broom sticks ubblol and just to add one more thing, not all pagans are witches and not all witches are pagan.


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Psyri
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Psyri

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Posted:pushing the discussion onto magick.... and the word occult too look their meanings up in the dictionary. You'll meet some generalised terms including 'unknown'...

In other words we make our own magick anyways. As HoPers I'm sure you're well aware of jaw drops and wows from people who haven't seen you spin/juggle before or even seen it but haven't learnt how to do so. Its our own form of magick, as is art, music etc etc.


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FireTom


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Posted:Meaning that "paganism" goes with polytheism/ animism? umm

Stone: If one detaches from the sizzling experience of touching a red hot oven, one will get burnt again.

And what then is the definition (of which version of Buddhism) about what we are experiencing here and why - what then is the purpose of life? (apart from detaching from desire - if that is not the only purpose itself)


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GothFrogette
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Posted:it can do yes, but not all pagans believe or follow the same set of beliefs, hense the different definitions of paganism.
i do not follow any gods or godesses


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FireTom


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Posted:... confused What means Paganism to YOU then?

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GothFrogette
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GothFrogette

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Posted:i am sure i have already said

Life's too short to worry about where you put your marshmallows

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Posted:frown i don't know what i am..................some call me agnostic, others aithiest (even i know that is false)


i don't believe in any one god, and certainly not a christian or islamic go as i believe people of such faiths have lost their way. i follow some buddist teaching, some hindu and some others but i DO NOT follow nor practice any one religeion.

i believe "if to yourself and the earth you stay true, you can harness the power around and in you"


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The Tea Fairy
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The Tea Fairy

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Posted:That's a really nice quote.

Idolized by Aurinoko

Take me disappearing through the smoke rings of my mind....

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Posted: Written by: The Tea Fairy


That's a really nice quote.



"if to yourself and the earth you stay true, you can harness the power around and in you"

you mean this one??


it's by BRAINS KAN wink


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The Tea Fairy
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The Tea Fairy

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Posted:Yep, that's the one.

Idolized by Aurinoko

Take me disappearing through the smoke rings of my mind....

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alien_oddity


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Posted:it's from a song called "druid dub" by BRAINS KAN



i couls msn you a copy but it's protected so you'd need to use limewire to ge the certificate


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The Tea Fairy
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The Tea Fairy

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Posted:I don't even know what a limewire is... ubblol

I'm very, very behind in technology at the moment, so I think I'll have to look up this Brains Kan on some future occasion!


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Stone
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Posted:Hi FireTom, Im not sure what you mean when you say If one detaches from the sizzling experience of touching a red hot oven, one will get burnt again. As far as the dog biting experience goes, it would only turn you into a victim-pattern if you let it.

I agree that Neither religion, nor science in itself came back with a 'sufficient' answer of what life is really about and how to become "truly" happy. Thats why I find Buddhism, and for me Western Buddhism, to be so helpful.

In Western Buddhism there is no bullcrap, no moralizing, putting people down, no good and evil, only enlightenment. Enlightenment is available to anyone, though from all accounts it takes a paradigm shift in thinking to get it. Thats what Buddha did, and thats why he stuck around to teach us. Meditation and koans are also important because they help free us from the traps of conventional (deterministic) thinking of persistent egos and an all powerful God.






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If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh

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FireTom


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Posted: Written by: Gothfrogette

I am Pagan sure its not my own 'path' buts it works for me. thats all that should matter. its more of a family if any tradition i follow as my grandma was wiccan and the rest of that side of the family were farmers.

i bring my children up in the same way. i am not going to go into the full detail of what we do as i would be here for ages. but i will say thats its probably not your average way of following an earth based religion as i know that making an offereing to a 'god/godess' will not improve my crops but that making sure the soil is good will. yet we honour the rituals and gods/godess that our ansestors used to before they knew the science so to speak. I think its realy important to remember our ancestory and that they all went through and believed to get us all where we are now.

there are a few definitions of paganism, one is to denote people who follow any religion that is not Christian, Jewish, nor Muslim.ather is country folk. ie farmers and people who worked with the land.one of a people or community observing a polytheistic religion, as the ancient Romans and Greeks. Its also used as an umberella term that many earth based belief systems such as Wicca, Druidism, Asatru, Shamanism, Neo-Paganism fall under. (there are other traditions too but i honestly can not remember all of them)

so i guess it depends on which deffenition you use.

i personaly have quite an Animistic view on things but do not follow a tradition as such as non actually sat well with me. you see for me to follow a belief system that follows nature and the earth i could never understand why humanity had to put rules there for others to follow.

hope that made it a little clearer?

oh by the way i am a Pagan Witch... and the term witch is given to anyone practicing magic/magick (not the stage form either) and its not just given to us peeps who get accused of riding on broom sticks and just to add one more thing, not all pagans are witches and not all witches are pagan.



Obviously that didn't clarify it - but maybe that's just me shrug

 Written by: Stone

In Western Buddhism there is no bullcrap, no moralizing, putting people down, no good and evil, only enlightenment. Enlightenment is available to anyone, though from all accounts it takes a paradigm shift in thinking to get it. Thats what Buddha did, and thats why he stuck around to teach us. Meditation and koans are also important because they help free us from the traps of conventional (deterministic) thinking of persistent egos and an all powerful God.



Sorry, but I'd call this a vast generalisation and may have not attended enough schools, or met enough individuals as to side that statement.

Personally I only meet individuals and experience each and every to still have their individual approach.

As to the terms "Enlightenment", "truely happy" - what does that mean to you (or have I missed out on you stating what this means before)? I already said, that I regard it as a merry go round and usually one that is likely to put scholars in submission (which may be due to "destroy their ego") wink

If one is scared due to the memory of having been attacked by a dog, it (most likely) will put one in a victim pattern, as fear might kick in when being approached by another one - and this is the wrong reaction, likely to put the dog in a perpetrator-pattern...


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faith enfire
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faith enfire

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Posted:i don't see my religion as putting me down but myself doing so...we have the tools to live an "enlightened life" but let worldly desires come before spiritual ones
people are good, we make decisions that hurt ourselves and others though
just mho


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Posted:Here's the question. Are any of you Right or are you Wrong?

Here's an answer: in my humble opinion...

Using the fantastic tool known as Pete's Logic (thats mine)

The "you" in this is a collective. That means everyone...

If "you" are "right", then by inference the person next to "you" is "right" too... because if I ask them what is right, then they'll be right too.

Which, in turn, indicates that "everyone" is "right"

Which means that whichever opinion you choose, whichever method you use to connect with a group of people, and by inference connect with a wider world, whichever way you label yourself to help you understand and feel comfortable with how you feel, as long as you have an opinion you have a way.

Now the problems set in when someone decides that "you" are "wrong"

This then leads into conflict. If anyone decides that, then the whole world leads into people putting themselves into boxes where you must convince people, either to "save" them from "sin", or just to create conflict (because it has been inflicted upon you, by other people who think "you" are "wrong")

Because our instincts tell us that we must have something to disagree with to be able to differentiate between "good" and "bad"

And the cycle starts. Then we have to ability to ask whether we are "right" or "wrong".

Then we get that infinitismal examining of every tiny aspect of our life to make us "good", because once we know this difference between good and evil, we can't choose evil.

If "you" accept that the fact that other people, whoever they may be, whatever they believe, are "right", then we lead to a complete dissolution of "right" and "wrong", because everyone must be "right".

Boom. The power of religion goeth out of the window.

Consider the story of Adam and Eve and the Fall as a metaphor. Why did the serpent choose the tree of Knowledge to temp Eve with? Why not the Tree of Life?

Because, IMHO, the knowledge of "right" and "wrong", and the ability to make a differentiation between the two, is our greatest gift, and our greatest weakness. Imagine if we had no wars... But also imagine if we had no community, no shared sense of belonging?

So, to decide what "you" believe in matters not. Its just a box to make "you" comfortable.

But then in turn, if you weren't comfortable, then how would you feel if you had no direction, nowhere to face, nothing to decide?

So belief, or faith, is binding. It is a part of all of us, to make us who we are. WIthout that, we would be lost. Hell, we wouldn't be where we are today!

Thats my little contribution to this thread. I hope you get some idea of what I think, and my "way".

Now I need a lie down, and something to eat.

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