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Login/Join to ParticipatePosted:I'll not name, but here are people using word 'gay', to
have fun from others, but I think it is quite unfair.
Sexual orientation is personal thing and someone
can feel accused. Have fun, but talk moral.
no comment,
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have fun from others, but I think it is quite unfair.
Sexual orientation is personal thing and someone
can feel accused. Have fun, but talk moral.
no comment,
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Posted:Where's Richee? He started this post. I don't think he's posted in it since the first post xx
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Posted:Oh no, he has...
Written by: Richee
In conversation or dialog, using of sexual
or immoral word signify, social thread ex-
cluded, low level of discussion.
lightning,
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He's just neglected to post anything since... You think we've scared him off?
Written by: Richee
In conversation or dialog, using of sexual
or immoral word signify, social thread ex-
cluded, low level of discussion.
lightning,
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He's just neglected to post anything since... You think we've scared him off?
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Posted:that dog in jo's avatar almost scared me off...
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Posted:I think it's all down to peer pressure for adolescent boys.
They feel they have to assert their own heterosexuality by verbally appearing homophobic, even though they may not be fully aware of what their sexuality is.
MTV's Beavis and Butthead are a good example of this group, as they're always insulting each other by using insults like 'butt-munch, fart-knocker, turd-burglar'. Given the fact that they don't have girlfriends, and spend all their time in each other's company, it's the only way they feel they can inform the world that they are not, in fact gay.
They're also pretty misogynistic in their attitude to women for the same reasons.
The funny thing is, if they haven't yet come out of the closet, the same words may also be taken a different way, with another word implied.
'My' fart-knocker etc.
Perhaps it's a way of asking 'are you like me?' with all the real meaning being in how it's said, and how you act to the person you say it to.
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I think the words themselves aren't offensive, it's the people and the way they use them that causes the offense.
If the intent was to cause offense, the word would become more offensive.
They older generation still occasionally uses the word gay in it's original context, while the younger one uses it to mean 'lame'. They could be talking about the same thing.
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They feel they have to assert their own heterosexuality by verbally appearing homophobic, even though they may not be fully aware of what their sexuality is.
MTV's Beavis and Butthead are a good example of this group, as they're always insulting each other by using insults like 'butt-munch, fart-knocker, turd-burglar'. Given the fact that they don't have girlfriends, and spend all their time in each other's company, it's the only way they feel they can inform the world that they are not, in fact gay.
They're also pretty misogynistic in their attitude to women for the same reasons.
The funny thing is, if they haven't yet come out of the closet, the same words may also be taken a different way, with another word implied.
'My' fart-knocker etc.
Perhaps it's a way of asking 'are you like me?' with all the real meaning being in how it's said, and how you act to the person you say it to.
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I think the words themselves aren't offensive, it's the people and the way they use them that causes the offense.
If the intent was to cause offense, the word would become more offensive.
They older generation still occasionally uses the word gay in it's original context, while the younger one uses it to mean 'lame'. They could be talking about the same thing.
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Posted: Written by: mcp
I think we have many uses of the word gay, but I think the contentious issue is:
People using the word 'gay' to mean lame, without any reference implied by them to it's other meanings, can offend both:
people who think it's offensive to homosexuals because the insult comes from being called gay, like it's bad.
people who think it's offensive to homosexuals because it associates homosexuality with lameness because the same word is used for both meanings.
That was intelligent and articulate.
How novel.
I think we have many uses of the word gay, but I think the contentious issue is:
People using the word 'gay' to mean lame, without any reference implied by them to it's other meanings, can offend both:
people who think it's offensive to homosexuals because the insult comes from being called gay, like it's bad.
people who think it's offensive to homosexuals because it associates homosexuality with lameness because the same word is used for both meanings.
That was intelligent and articulate.
How novel.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
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Posted:oy! wot about my posts gayboy?
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Posted: Written by: NYC
That was intelligent and articulate.
How novel.
huhuhuh... 'gay' hhuhuhuhuhhh *snort*
That was intelligent and articulate.
How novel.
huhuhuh... 'gay' hhuhuhuhuhhh *snort*
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Posted: Written by: mcp
that dog in jo's avatar almost scared me off...
that's mollydog! how can anyone be scared of mollydog!
that dog in jo's avatar almost scared me off...
that's mollydog! how can anyone be scared of mollydog!
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Posted:Well seeing how she assaulted Bugis then dowsed 'Femme' on him I don't think she's a fan of cute things...
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Posted:no way, molly-dog's beautiful. she reminds me of my Topaz... 
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Posted: Written by: FoxInDocs
no way, molly-dog's beautiful.
no way, molly-dog's beautiful.
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Posted:but there's so many mollydogs! Probably at least ten in this thread alone!
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Posted:All Mollydogs rock.
But as for the "gay" thing...
I don't think its appropriate to use a contentious words within a community that has many different kinds of readers. While it would be nice to believe we are all gay friendly, I don't know that. When using contentious words like "gay" or the n word which I would never use, its really important to know the context in which its being used, as well as the audience to which you are speaking.
If you can't control that (as in an online forum made available to anyone with internet access) then really it shouldn't be used at all. I'm not overly comfortable with it being used in any context rather than referring to homosexuality - I don't want my sexual identity used as an insult. Ever.
But as for the "gay" thing...
I don't think its appropriate to use a contentious words within a community that has many different kinds of readers. While it would be nice to believe we are all gay friendly, I don't know that. When using contentious words like "gay" or the n word which I would never use, its really important to know the context in which its being used, as well as the audience to which you are speaking.
If you can't control that (as in an online forum made available to anyone with internet access) then really it shouldn't be used at all. I'm not overly comfortable with it being used in any context rather than referring to homosexuality - I don't want my sexual identity used as an insult. Ever.
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Posted: Written by: wonderloey
When using contentious words like "gay" or the n word which I would never use, its really important to know the context in which its being used, as well as the audience to which you are speaking.
If you can't control that (as in an online forum made available to anyone with internet access) then really it shouldn't be used at all.
Great point.
When using contentious words like "gay" or the n word which I would never use, its really important to know the context in which its being used, as well as the audience to which you are speaking.
If you can't control that (as in an online forum made available to anyone with internet access) then really it shouldn't be used at all.
Great point.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
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Posted:Ya. I don't like the use of the word gay to mean lame or rubbish, for the good reasons posted above: that it links a group of people with an insult. I live in a culture where male homosexuality can be a life threatening occupation due to 'poofter bashing' and I am too aware of suicide rates in young 'gay' people here to think it's just a harmless bit of wordplay.
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Posted:On the other hand, here's a great joke for ya. A skateboarding joke which makes fine use of the current double entendre.
Q. What's the worst thing about rollerblading?
A. Having to tell your parents you're gay.
Q. What's the worst thing about rollerblading?
A. Having to tell your parents you're gay.
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Written by: wonderloey
I don't want my sexual identity used as an insult. Ever.
tough.
everyines identity is used as an insult, think 'bloody pommies' or 'bloody frenchies' or 'bloody intelectuals' or anything else, only in a society where we can us the word and not have everyone all het up about it is really a tollerant society, untill then i gues we have to put up with being human.. innit?
context being used- talking to other 'gays' on the internet.
auidence i am speaking to- other 'gays' on the internet.
who gives a [censored] about what an anonymous reader might get offended by, as ive already pointed out that can happen whatever you say, the important thing is to say what you want and dont let them take your name from you, but claim it as your own.
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Written by: wonderloey
I don't want my sexual identity used as an insult. Ever.
tough.
everyines identity is used as an insult, think 'bloody pommies' or 'bloody frenchies' or 'bloody intelectuals' or anything else, only in a society where we can us the word and not have everyone all het up about it is really a tollerant society, untill then i gues we have to put up with being human.. innit?
context being used- talking to other 'gays' on the internet.
auidence i am speaking to- other 'gays' on the internet.
who gives a [censored] about what an anonymous reader might get offended by, as ive already pointed out that can happen whatever you say, the important thing is to say what you want and dont let them take your name from you, but claim it as your own.
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Posted: Written by: wonderloey
All Mollydogs rock.
I don't want my sexual identity used as an insult. Ever.
mollydog probably doesn't much like it when nasty girls get called b!tches... but do you hear her complaining?
to be honest though, it really does depend on context, i have mildy homophobic straight friends, i have friends who really couldn't give a damn, i have friends who are fag-hags and i have gay friends, all of them use it, some of them i tell off, some of them i don't.
All Mollydogs rock.
I don't want my sexual identity used as an insult. Ever.
mollydog probably doesn't much like it when nasty girls get called b!tches... but do you hear her complaining?
to be honest though, it really does depend on context, i have mildy homophobic straight friends, i have friends who really couldn't give a damn, i have friends who are fag-hags and i have gay friends, all of them use it, some of them i tell off, some of them i don't.
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Posted:this thread is gay 
Yay for irony
Yay for irony
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Posted: Written by: [Nx?
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who gives a
about what an anonymous reader might get offended by, as ive already pointed out that can happen whatever you say, the important thing is to say what you want and dont let them take your name from you, but claim it as your own.
Yup, if the anonymous reader doesn't speak up or care enough to complain, they can take their apathy and [censored] off. Why should I care what they think, if they don't even tell me what they think?
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who gives a
about what an anonymous reader might get offended by, as ive already pointed out that can happen whatever you say, the important thing is to say what you want and dont let them take your name from you, but claim it as your own.Yup, if the anonymous reader doesn't speak up or care enough to complain, they can take their apathy and [censored] off. Why should I care what they think, if they don't even tell me what they think?
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Posted:Take a teaspoon of cement with their morning coffee and harden the F*** up?
i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey
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Posted:
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Suppose its very easy for those who have spent years growing comfortable with their sexuality so say they are okay with using 'gay' as lame or with irony. That's the funny thing with Irony, you need prior knowledge and contexts to be able to appreciate it.
Meg, maybe they don't tell you what they think because even the casual observer would find your strong opinions intimidating, even terrifying. Even inanimate stuffed monkeys are scared of you now...
A young impressionable gay person may read this forum expecting open-mindedness through which they can escape their, only to find these comments, not get the irony and feel that even in a supposedly open-minded microcosm they are not welcome and not accepted. On the flipside an impressionable youngster comes to learn poi and on the side come away thinking that it's okay to use 'gay' as a negative slur, without irony...
Where does freedom of speech end and social responsibility begin...?
I got preachy again. I'm Soooooo gay...
's Advocate Time again...Suppose its very easy for those who have spent years growing comfortable with their sexuality so say they are okay with using 'gay' as lame or with irony. That's the funny thing with Irony, you need prior knowledge and contexts to be able to appreciate it.
Meg, maybe they don't tell you what they think because even the casual observer would find your strong opinions intimidating, even terrifying. Even inanimate stuffed monkeys are scared of you now...
A young impressionable gay person may read this forum expecting open-mindedness through which they can escape their, only to find these comments, not get the irony and feel that even in a supposedly open-minded microcosm they are not welcome and not accepted. On the flipside an impressionable youngster comes to learn poi and on the side come away thinking that it's okay to use 'gay' as a negative slur, without irony...
Where does freedom of speech end and social responsibility begin...?
I got preachy again. I'm Soooooo gay...
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Posted:or maybe they'll read this thread, realise what a stupendous amount of BS we all talk and go off and practise?
People should speak up if they have an opinion, and then go and vote.
I'm also happy to abuse noobs who haven't taken the time to get to know the history and 'context' of hop. People who don't use the search function for example. As a community, it's only polite to be quiet at the beginning and learn about the community, rather than barging it and demanding things of it immediately.
wow, these noobs are really expecting open mindedness? What about exactly? And what gave them that impression?
and if it's these youngsters we have to care about so much, surely they're up to date with all this new slang? they probably think that calling something lame, gay, is for old losers and they have a much 'cooler' word now.
I think it's the old guys we're got to worry about. They're the ones that are pissed off.
and more importantly, why do we have to mold ourselves around the feelings of young kids? Why can't we have adult values and an adult community? (Well apart from that we play with toys...)(not those kind of toys.)
People should speak up if they have an opinion, and then go and vote.
I'm also happy to abuse noobs who haven't taken the time to get to know the history and 'context' of hop. People who don't use the search function for example. As a community, it's only polite to be quiet at the beginning and learn about the community, rather than barging it and demanding things of it immediately.
wow, these noobs are really expecting open mindedness? What about exactly? And what gave them that impression?
and if it's these youngsters we have to care about so much, surely they're up to date with all this new slang? they probably think that calling something lame, gay, is for old losers and they have a much 'cooler' word now.
I think it's the old guys we're got to worry about. They're the ones that are pissed off.
and more importantly, why do we have to mold ourselves around the feelings of young kids? Why can't we have adult values and an adult community? (Well apart from that we play with toys...)(not those kind of toys.)
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Posted:Hurrah! Neon champions the exact points on page 1.
mcp - like I said on page 2, we don't have to "mold ourselves around the feelings of young kids" (even if it didn't sound as dodgy as it does!) but I'd like to think that members of this community look out for each other. Not because we want to be da friendliest but because it's in our own interests.
mcp - like I said on page 2, we don't have to "mold ourselves around the feelings of young kids" (even if it didn't sound as dodgy as it does!) but I'd like to think that members of this community look out for each other. Not because we want to be da friendliest but because it's in our own interests.
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Posted: Written by: mcp
and more importantly, why do we have to mold ourselves around the feelings of young kids? Why can't we have adult values and an adult community? (Well apart from that we play with toys...)(not those kind of toys.)
We cant have an adult community as this is a PG forum, implying that kids are welcome here and it is safe for them to be..... Although im with you on the fact that moulding and shapeing our talk to suite anothers possible insecurity is infact, rubbish
freedom of speech and all that, besides i think the people that use the term alot round here are people that put alot into these boards and a character build up can be done to realise the context that "gay" is being used.
besides, its only got 3 letters, there are much more insulting words we can use that we dont (often)...... just take a look at any guildford threads
and more importantly, why do we have to mold ourselves around the feelings of young kids? Why can't we have adult values and an adult community? (Well apart from that we play with toys...)(not those kind of toys.)
We cant have an adult community as this is a PG forum, implying that kids are welcome here and it is safe for them to be..... Although im with you on the fact that moulding and shapeing our talk to suite anothers possible insecurity is infact, rubbish
freedom of speech and all that, besides i think the people that use the term alot round here are people that put alot into these boards and a character build up can be done to realise the context that "gay" is being used.besides, its only got 3 letters, there are much more insulting words we can use that we dont (often)...... just take a look at any guildford threads
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Posted: Written by: strugz
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and more importantly, why do we have to mold ourselves around the feelings of young kids? Why can't we have adult values and an adult community? (Well apart from that we play with toys...)(not those kind of toys.)
We cant have an adult community as this is a PG forum, implying that kids are welcome here and it is safe for them to be..... Although im with you on the fact that moulding and shapeing our talk to suite anothers possible insecurity is infact, rubbish freedom of speech and all that, besides i think the people that use the term alot round here are people that put alot into these boards and a character build up can be done to realise the context that "gay" is being used.
just cos it's PG doesn't mean we have to dumb it down. This isn't hollywood.
If I start using long words and talking in proper english, with words like: pertinent, juxtaposition, ramifications, and y'know big words like that. It's not geared at young kids, but maybe they're get the idea that text speak makes them look like retards. And maybe that'll force them to increase their literacy.
I can express a lot of 'unsafe' ideas without using swear words that's for sure. Or even explicitly stating them.
But me caring about the community? damn what's that about... <slap>
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and more importantly, why do we have to mold ourselves around the feelings of young kids? Why can't we have adult values and an adult community? (Well apart from that we play with toys...)(not those kind of toys.)
We cant have an adult community as this is a PG forum, implying that kids are welcome here and it is safe for them to be..... Although im with you on the fact that moulding and shapeing our talk to suite anothers possible insecurity is infact, rubbish
freedom of speech and all that, besides i think the people that use the term alot round here are people that put alot into these boards and a character build up can be done to realise the context that "gay" is being used. just cos it's PG doesn't mean we have to dumb it down. This isn't hollywood.
If I start using long words and talking in proper english, with words like: pertinent, juxtaposition, ramifications, and y'know big words like that. It's not geared at young kids, but maybe they're get the idea that text speak makes them look like retards. And maybe that'll force them to increase their literacy.
I can express a lot of 'unsafe' ideas without using swear words that's for sure. Or even explicitly stating them.
But me caring about the community? damn what's that about... <slap>
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Posted:wait up maby i've missed the point of the thread but does this meen im not aloud to say my gay friends are gay? how about vaginaly-averse would that be better
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Posted:Apparently not, and I'm not allowed to call you gay either... This situation is so gay...
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