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old hand
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old hand
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Posted:
Little update for you all (thought I'd start a new thread as the last one was getting a bit big!!). I've been a busy bee tonight and I now have 4 pairs of the MK4 (dare I say final?) boards soldered together... now to get something to put 'em in ready for Synergy!
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Little update for you all (thought I'd start a new thread as the last one was getting a bit big!!). I've been a busy bee tonight and I now have 4 pairs of the MK4 (dare I say final?) boards soldered together... now to get something to put 'em in ready for Synergy!
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Cake or Death?
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Liquid Cow
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Bah, nothing's unrepairable
Bah, nothing's unrepairable
But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.
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Pooh-Bah
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I 
you Bov, you King of Duck Tape!
I you Bov, you King of Duck Tape! Gayle.....!
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Posted:
See the pics, The internal power connector that's soldered onto the motherboard has a metal pin (that the external part of the PSU goes around when it's plugged in) held in place by a plastic housing (all one component) the housing broke as did the metal piece connecting the pin to the motherboard, last time I'd superglued up the plastic to hold it all in place, and soldered across the damaged metal, but something clearly went wrong after several months as it overheated, the plastics melted (to the point gluing it wont hold it in the correct position any more, see the powerpin pic, the pins in my hand and where it goes is central, just under the metal screw hole) and I don't have faith in the soldered metal point anyway, it needs a new component so it can be soldered onto the board, and a new psu to plug into said component, so it all makes a clean connection and is electrically safe.
This means I only get to check mail & HoP when I can kick someone off the TV where my old desktop's plugged in :/
See the pics, The internal power connector that's soldered onto the motherboard has a metal pin (that the external part of the PSU goes around when it's plugged in) held in place by a plastic housing (all one component) the housing broke as did the metal piece connecting the pin to the motherboard, last time I'd superglued up the plastic to hold it all in place, and soldered across the damaged metal, but something clearly went wrong after several months as it overheated, the plastics melted (to the point gluing it wont hold it in the correct position any more, see the powerpin pic, the pins in my hand and where it goes is central, just under the metal screw hole) and I don't have faith in the soldered metal point anyway, it needs a new component so it can be soldered onto the board, and a new psu to plug into said component, so it all makes a clean connection and is electrically safe.
This means I only get to check mail & HoP when I can kick someone off the TV where my old desktop's plugged in :/
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Liquid Cow
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Posted:
Yeah, I had a look at the pics.
It's not often I say this, but I think that is indeed something that duck tape can't fix
Yeah, I had a look at the pics.
It's not often I say this, but I think that is indeed something that duck tape can't fix
But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.
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ok, I've got a John's permission to vnc to my old machine from his when he's not in, so I've got slightly better access to some of my stuff, but no sound and no dev tools :-/
Hyperlight could you change the square brackets in the thread title to () <> or {}, I'm guessing it's the [] that are causing the thread to be repoted as being called "re: " in the emails and when it hits the front page for a bit when it's the last posted in thread.
ok, I've got a John's permission to vnc to my old machine from his when he's not in, so I've got slightly better access to some of my stuff, but no sound and no dev tools :-/
Hyperlight could you change the square brackets in the thread title to () <> or {}, I'm guessing it's the [] that are causing the thread to be repoted as being called "re: " in the emails and when it hits the front page for a bit when it's the last posted in thread.
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There's always epoxy resin.
There's always epoxy resin.
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I'd thought of that, it has to be held perfectly central and last time I'd fixed it I was relying on the fact the 2 plastic parts of the broken component lined up for that, I'd even used splints to reinforce it. but now it's melted it would be exceptionally hard to keep it aligned as it set.
it's the solder accross the snapped metal that had given in after the first fix, not totally, but enough to short it to overheat (it snapped at the side of the component, not at the point the component touches the motherboard).
Hyperlight reckons he can get me a part, and if I'm worried about fitting it I'll have to see if i can get him to help with that too
ta loads for trying to help
I'd thought of that, it has to be held perfectly central and last time I'd fixed it I was relying on the fact the 2 plastic parts of the broken component lined up for that, I'd even used splints to reinforce it. but now it's melted it would be exceptionally hard to keep it aligned as it set.
it's the solder accross the snapped metal that had given in after the first fix, not totally, but enough to short it to overheat (it snapped at the side of the component, not at the point the component touches the motherboard).
Hyperlight reckons he can get me a part, and if I'm worried about fitting it I'll have to see if i can get him to help with that too
ta loads for trying to help
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Geek-enviro-hippy priest
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Geek-enviro-hippy priest
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Posted:
Can't you just solder the cable directly on to the board, duct tape the cable to the case (so it doesn't pull on the solder) and add some generic power fitting to the cable later on?
I'm using blutack to hold my power cable in at the moment - I really should get round to soldering it!
Can't you just solder the cable directly on to the board, duct tape the cable to the case (so it doesn't pull on the solder) and add some generic power fitting to the cable later on?
I'm using blutack to hold my power cable in at the moment - I really should get round to soldering it!
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Posted:
was there any chance of managing to get a light on the end of the socks: I still don't like the idea of an invisible bit of poi at the end of the sock...
The tails look sweeet though!
was there any chance of managing to get a light on the end of the socks: I still don't like the idea of an invisible bit of poi at the end of the sock...
The tails look sweeet though!
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As far as I'm aware the bottom of the sock will be less lit up but won't be invisible. I asked the same question a few months back, and was assured the ends will be visible.
As far as I'm aware the bottom of the sock will be less lit up but won't be invisible. I asked the same question a few months back, and was assured the ends will be visible.
Spin, bounce, be one with the world, because it is yours to enjoy...
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lol, I've been saying this till I'm blue in the face and then wondering why I've bothered as most people don't seem to care when they see them live,
you've made me feel better now
the prototypes are in little opaque pots, so you end up with the dead zone, this is solely due to the lack of a good cheep clear alternative.
The final sphere design will be clear, so, though it still up lights, there should be enough ambience from refraction & reflection to eliminate most if not all of the dead effect seen on the end of the prototypes.
lol, I've been saying this till I'm blue in the face and then wondering why I've bothered as most people don't seem to care when they see them live,
you've made me feel better now
the prototypes are in little opaque pots, so you end up with the dead zone, this is solely due to the lack of a good cheep clear alternative.
The final sphere design will be clear, so, though it still up lights, there should be enough ambience from refraction & reflection to eliminate most if not all of the dead effect seen on the end of the prototypes.
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Geek-enviro-hippy priest
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I'd guess the dim bit of the ball at the end will be a bit brighter than an aerotech juggling ball
I'd guess the dim bit of the ball at the end will be a bit brighter than an aerotech juggling ball
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Tosser
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Posted:
What they said
What they said
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Cool, thanks for the quick replies! I remember mentioning this when I had a play with them at Fal5, the 'dead zone' really concerned me a lot! but if they're even lit up a little that should be ok, just so long as I can keep tabs on it and make sure it's not going into my face.... cos hyperlights are so bright they destroy any night vision you might have!
Cool, thanks for the quick replies! I remember mentioning this when I had a play with them at Fal5, the 'dead zone' really concerned me a lot! but if they're even lit up a little that should be ok, just so long as I can keep tabs on it and make sure it's not going into my face.... cos hyperlights are so bright they destroy any night vision you might have!
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With the earlier protos is was an issue, but I had no problems with the cones at all- it felt just like playing with my orange hyperloop cones
With the earlier protos is was an issue, but I had no problems with the cones at all- it felt just like playing with my orange hyperloop cones
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Posted:
morning. after being charmingly sent here by chut, i'll ask the same question again...
whats the projected release date, and can i sign up to be sponsored
morning. after being charmingly
sent here by chut, i'll ask the same question again...whats the projected release date, and can i sign up to be sponsored
Holistic Spinner (I hope)
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Sorry Rob- tongue was firmly placed in cheek.
Sorry Rob- tongue was firmly placed in cheek.
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Posted:
mine too
mine too
Holistic Spinner (I hope)
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Geek-enviro-hippy priest
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Geek-enviro-hippy priest
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Posted:
You can let me come and live in your eco-paradise and I'll let you borrow mind from time to time
I think the only real answer is 'when they are done'. The Hyperlights I have at the moment are really really great, but they are not ready to be sold IMHO.
I know Jon was talking about them being out by March, but somehow I'd say it'll be later than that (not though any fault of Jons, other than making sure they are really good before selling them).
You can let me come and live in your eco-paradise and I'll let you borrow mind from time to time
I think the only real answer is 'when they are done'. The Hyperlights I have at the moment are really really great, but they are not ready to be sold IMHO.
I know Jon was talking about them being out by March, but somehow I'd say it'll be later than that (not though any fault of Jons, other than making sure they are really good before selling them).
There's too many home fires burning and not enough trees
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The Polycarb housings have taken quite a bit of work and are probably one of the key factors in the poi release date.
The Polycarb housings have taken quite a bit of work and are probably one of the key factors in the poi release date.
newbie
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Location: Dublin, Ireland
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Location: Dublin, Ireland
Posted:
mmm...i spent the weekend with the pleasure of spinning these babies and wow, just wow is all i can say very kool and videos and photos do absolutley no justice to them in person
mmm...i spent the weekend with the pleasure of spinning these babies and wow, just wow is all i can say
very kool and videos and photos do absolutley no justice to them in person "If you roll a pencil is it still stationary?"
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I'm so jelous! I want to spin them too =) I imagine them suiting my style so well ( Used to go to raves and stuff before, so the body movement I try to adapt is inspired from that, most likely ) Which would suit these rave-like babies like the hand in the glove.
Umm.. I hope that made sense.
I'm so jelous! I want to spin them too =) I imagine them suiting my style so well ( Used to go to raves and stuff before, so the body movement I try to adapt is inspired from that, most likely ) Which would suit these rave-like babies like the hand in the glove.
Umm.. I hope that made sense.
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old hand
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Location: Great Malvern [UK]
old hand
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Location: Great Malvern [UK]
Posted:
Projected release date is (as ever) a few months away... but progress is definitely being made and already they're feeling much more like what I would consider to be a polished product that I'd be happy releasing. One of the problems with releasing the final version is that I'm a perfectionist trying to address a fairly varied market... which makes for some fairly interesting challenges
Polycarb housings are indeed one of the bigger stumbling blocks that still need to be overcome. I'm certainly making progress on that front though. I had a design that was ready... and then decided that AA batteries would actually be far better for weight and battery life issues (the two biggest complaints I'd heard where that the current versions didn't last long enough and were a little on the light side).
I'll be posting back the updated versions tomorrow most probably so that Yakumo and Sym get them back in time for Synergy. It's all a bit of a mad rush though as I'm trying to move flats in two evenings! I had originally planned to spend most of this week doing it, but being ill and lying on a sofa for two days scuppered that plan
I had another crack at a gaffer taped HyperStaff over the weekend which was more fun than I'd expected.. maybe there's something to this staffing afterall
Projected release date is (as ever) a few months away... but progress is definitely being made and already they're feeling much more like what I would consider to be a polished product that I'd be happy releasing. One of the problems with releasing the final version is that I'm a perfectionist trying to address a fairly varied market... which makes for some fairly interesting challenges
Polycarb housings are indeed one of the bigger stumbling blocks that still need to be overcome. I'm certainly making progress on that front though. I had a design that was ready... and then decided that AA batteries would actually be far better for weight and battery life issues (the two biggest complaints I'd heard where that the current versions didn't last long enough and were a little on the light side).
I'll be posting back the updated versions tomorrow most probably so that Yakumo and Sym get them back in time for Synergy. It's all a bit of a mad rush though as I'm trying to move flats in two evenings! I had originally planned to spend most of this week doing it, but being ill and lying on a sofa for two days scuppered that plan
I had another crack at a gaffer taped HyperStaff over the weekend which was more fun than I'd expected.. maybe there's something to this staffing afterall
Cake or Death?
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Posted:
oh, was it YOU that gave me this cripping flu/fever thing then? I've been doing the same thing the last 2 days
oh, was it YOU that gave me this cripping flu/fever thing then? I've been doing the same thing the last 2 days
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Location: Dublin, Ireland
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Posted:
yeah the bugger gave it to me too
yeah the bugger gave it to me too
"If you roll a pencil is it still stationary?"
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old hand
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Location: Great Malvern [UK]
old hand
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Posted:
*tries to act innocent...*
*...COUGH COUGH COUGH...*
Damnit! Foiled again
*tries to act innocent...*
*...COUGH COUGH COUGH...*
Damnit! Foiled again
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Posted:
when will these beasties be out?im getting to the point of despartion lol!
when will these beasties be out?im getting to the point of despartion lol!
to many freaks to little circuses!
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old hand
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Location: Great Malvern [UK]
old hand
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Posted:
Ah, the eternal question... well the answer is soon(ish)! These are the tasks remaining before I can start selling them:
1) Resolve the last electrical problem I'm aware of which is stopping the accelerometers working properly
2) Finish re-designing the housings to fit the new AA batteries (they were going to use AAAs before, but I decided the battery life wasn't up to scratch and a lot of people thought they were too light!).
3) Register HyperLights as a business
3) Choose companies to make / assemble the electronic components, the housings and the material socks.
4) Raise a large wad of cash.
5) Make the things.
I genuinely believe they'll be available this summer
Ah, the eternal question... well the answer is soon(ish)! These are the tasks remaining before I can start selling them:
1) Resolve the last electrical problem I'm aware of which is stopping the accelerometers working properly
2) Finish re-designing the housings to fit the new AA batteries (they were going to use AAAs before, but I decided the battery life wasn't up to scratch and a lot of people thought they were too light!).
3) Register HyperLights as a business
3) Choose companies to make / assemble the electronic components, the housings and the material socks.
4) Raise a large wad of cash.
5) Make the things.
I genuinely believe they'll be available this summer
Cake or Death?
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addict
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Location: UK
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Posted:
Jon, you went quiet for a while there!
In that case I'll take one set hand delivered at Play
Sounds like you really are coming to the last stages, especially with the talk of registering the business and finding suppliers etc. All sounds very promising hurrah!!
Jon, you went quiet for a while there!Written by: *HyperLight
I genuinely believe they'll be available this summer
In that case I'll take one set hand delivered at Play
Sounds like you really are coming to the last stages, especially with the talk of registering the business and finding suppliers etc. All sounds very promising hurrah!!
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old hand
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Location: Great Malvern [UK]
old hand
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Location: Great Malvern [UK]
Posted:
I've been busy both with my full time job and HyperLights (my other full time job!)
It certainly feels like it's finally starting to come together though!
I've been busy both with my full time job and HyperLights (my other full time job!)
It certainly feels like it's finally starting to come together though!
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