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Doc Lightning
GOLD Member since May 2001

Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA

Total posts: 13920
Posted:Well I'm a happy boy. I'm happy because after 6 years of watching our country and world get completely trashed, people in the U.S. finally realized that it wasn't making them any safer, richer, or better.

More importantly, I was beginning to seriously wonder if the United States was still a constitutional republic of democratic states or whether the Republicans had committed so much voter fraud that they had silenced the People and made this into a dictatorship.

Last night's election proved to me that we still do have a voice and it renewed just a teensy amount of faith in my own country. And you have no idea how immensely happy that makes me. biggrin


-Mike )'(
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TinklePants
GOLD Member since Jul 2005

TinklePants

Clique Infiltrator, Cunning Linguist and Master Debator
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Total posts: 4217
Posted:what election?

I avoid the news. walk past the news paperstand with my eyes closed normally, then i knock over a stack of oranges and i do that funny slip-on-round-things with my legs running really quick and fall down.....


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Doc Lightning
GOLD Member since May 2001

Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA

Total posts: 13920
Posted:Well, Tink, the Democrats just took over the House of Representatives from the Republicans and the Senate looks as if it's going to fall to the Democrats (albeit by an outrageously slim margin).

That gives control of one important branch of government to the Democrats and ends six years of complete Republican domination of U.S. politics. And that includes all those policies that everyone seems to hate about the U.S.


-Mike )'(
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"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura

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Pele
BRONZE Member since Dec 2000

Pele

the henna lady
Location: WNY, USA

Total posts: 6193
Posted:Mike, I do absolutely understand how happy it makes you feel. Really...I do.
Cuz I am too.

But more than that...I am just freakin relieved.

Not that having a gov't being mostly Democratic is better. A balance of both to keep everything in checks and balances is better, and this is a great step in that direction...I hope.


Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
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TinklePants
GOLD Member since Jul 2005

TinklePants

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Total posts: 4217
Posted:ah so its a good thing.(dear me, I'm so disconnected from the real world!!! haha)

cool!


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FoxInDocs
SILVER Member since Jul 2005

FoxInDocs

Pooh-Bah
Location: Adelaide, SA, Australia

Total posts: 1848
Posted:me too tink! but that is good to hear mike :-) hopefully our next election will go in a similar direction...

"i am exotic, and must keep my arms down" - Rougie

"i don't understand what penises have to do with getting married" - Foxie

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KaelGotRice
GOLD Member since Jul 2003

KaelGotRice

Basu gasu bakuhatsu - because sometimes buses explode
Location: Angel's Landing, USA

Total posts: 1584
Posted:*comes out of hibernation to post



I'm suprised how little attention this post has gotten considering the anti-bush bashing that normally goes on on HoP, I guess it's because it doesn't have "bush" in the title wink



I'm a libertarian at heart, so neither party fufills my stance entirely. Fiscally I'm more conservative, and the republicans, by sheer luck or perhaps some skill were keeping the economy up and unemployment low.



However they were sucking at god knows just about everything else. I hope the Democrats can continue the economic growth while tackling illegal immigration, social security revamping, and education, as well as giving us back our civil liberties!



I just hope smile


To do: More Firedrums 08 video?
Wildfire/US East coast fire footage
LA/EDC glow/fire footage
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Doc Lightning
GOLD Member since May 2001

Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA

Total posts: 13920
Posted:You know, it's all very trendy for people to say "Well I'm not all that fond of the Democrats, either."

OK, I suppose I'd like a Green government as much as the next guy. But after my alarm clock goes off and I wake from that dream, I kinda like the Democrats.

The GOP may be good at money, but they're not even that good at it. The Democrats usually have sound fiscal policy, but more importantly, they are much better on social and international issues. The Democrats support more civil liberties than the GOP and they do not align themselves with right-wing fundamentalists who would do away with freedom of speech and religion.

It's my opinion that if it's going to be a one-party rule, I would rather see the Democrats in charge over the GOP any day of the week and these last six years have made it all amazingly and painfully clear what I mean. I'll take a soaring deficit over a police state any day of the week.


-Mike )'(
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"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura

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psycotic_furby
BRONZE Member since Mar 2005

psycotic_furby

Hehe, you said 'Member'
Location: Lydiate, nr Liverpool, United ...

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Posted:Does it not really annoy anyone who favours the democrats how tight a race it's still been? I mean the sheer number of things the GOP have done wrong (from looking this side of the pond, at least) should have made the Dems the clear winners, and yet such a slim majority in the House of Representatives and a tie for the Senate? Come on, people! George Allen's shown to be a huge racist, and he's still able to potentially win an election? Huh...

Eww, Liza Minelli...

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Pele
BRONZE Member since Dec 2000

Pele

the henna lady
Location: WNY, USA

Total posts: 6193
Posted:I agree with you there Mike.
In the end, I don't like either all the time. This vote it was Dem's that I favored.
The lesser of the evils..blah, blah, blah....

However, Kael, sweetie...where are you living? Many areas in the US are hitting record levels of unemployment and depression. My area alone, especially towards Buffalo, has hit levels that surpass the Great Depression.

I know people in other areas of the country in the same boat. I also know farms that have had to shut down.

I *hope* the Dems can make it better. All of the (currently on the docket) social and international issues mean nothing when people are fighting and scraping to survive.
We can have gay marriages, fabulous international relations, we can have any amount of abortions and HMO's will go back to what they were....but if we don't have jobs it all means *nothing*.


Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK

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sagetree
GOLD Member since May 2006

sagetree

organic creation
Location: earth, Wales (UK)

Total posts: 246
Posted:i also agree with you mike

your first post was exactly what i was thinking.


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coleman
SILVER Member since Aug 2002

coleman

big and good and broken
Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay, United Kin...

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Posted: Written by: KaelGotRice



I'm a libertarian at heart, so neither party fufills my stance entirely.





that's the essence of democracy on personal level right there - no party can ever represent your stance entirely (unless you;re the president wink ).



you just have to choose the party that represents your views on the most important issues and it seems that that's what most of america did yesterday smile



i can't believe rumsfeld has quit!




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i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
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jeff(fake)


jeff(fake)

Scientist of Fortune
Location: Edinburgh

Total posts: 1189
Posted:Woot

That is all.


According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...

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UCOF
SILVER Member since Apr 2002

UCOF

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: , United Kingdom

Total posts: 15414
Posted:Who are those people Cole? wink

..and did Rumsfeld jump or was he pushed? umm


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tillymoo

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Location: Brisbane

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Posted: Written by: Pele





However, Kael, sweetie...where are you living? Many areas in the US are hitting record levels of unemployment and depression. My area alone, especially towards Buffalo, has hit levels that surpass the Great Depression.



I know people in other areas of the country in the same boat. I also know farms that have had to shut down.







and that, in my considered, but not expert, opinion is part of why america is always at war - they need an outside enemy to detract from and get away with ignoring the problems of poverty, violence and general shocking treatment (the response to hurricane katrina, for example) of the majority of it's citizens.

once communism diminished as on outside theat the powers that be had to find another one, hence terrorism.



obviously there are a lot more reasons (polititians having intersts in arms manufacturing and oils companies being one)



in regards to the election, i think it's a bit like here - democrats are the lesser of 2 evils. our own labour party (suposedly the more left wing party) is now more conservative that the liberal party (the more right wing party) was in the 70's, which is a bit scary.



i am almost a little disapointed donald rumsfeld is gone. he was most amusing. who could forget this speech:



"Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns - the ones we don't know we don't know" ubbloco



thus ends my rant mad2


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Pele
BRONZE Member since Dec 2000

Pele

the henna lady
Location: WNY, USA

Total posts: 6193
Posted: Written by: UmbiliciformCraterOnFace



..and did Rumsfeld jump or was he pushed? umm



Yes.

I can Cole. He would have been really stupid to not jump ship when he did. The Dems have long opposed him publically and they would have made things hell for him until he was forced out...so I think this was wise on his part.

Quite frankly, no matter who Bush puts in, now that the Dems have control over Capital Hill, I feel bad for the scrutiny any new SOD will be getting. It should be that way, as Rumsfeld ran a bit wild, but I know I hate to work with people watching over my shoulder and breathing down my neck all the time. I s'pose it goes with the territory though. shrug


Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
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UCOF
SILVER Member since Apr 2002

UCOF

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: , United Kingdom

Total posts: 15414
Posted:Sorry, I missed out 2 comma's.

Here they are: , ,

wink


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coleman
SILVER Member since Aug 2002

coleman

big and good and broken
Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay, United Kin...

Total posts: 7330
Posted:should have added a wink there pele - i'm not suprised either.

i saw hilary clinton rip the crap out of him on the t.v. (well on youtube cos i don't have a t.v.) a while back and knew then that he was on his last legs in the pentagon.

former c.i.a. director robert gates is to replace him i hear...


cole. x


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i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
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NYC

NYC
Location: NYC, NY, USA

Total posts: 9232
Posted:Cobert on the election.

It'll be a good test for your understanding of American Sarcasm.

wink


Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]

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jeff(fake)

Scientist of Fortune
Location: Edinburgh

Total posts: 1189
Posted:I sterilise my instruments over a burning American flag. ubblol

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Prometheus


Prometheus

Diamond In The Rough
Location: Richmond, Virginia

Total posts: 459
Posted: Written by: UmbiliciformCraterOnFace


..and did Rumsfeld jump or was he pushed? umm

I think he was sacrificed to placate the American public more than anything. Just a couple of days earlier, Bush had commented on the stellar job Rummy was doing, and that he and Cheney will be around for a long time. Then tthe day after the election, he announces that Rumsfeld is stepping down. Which to me, sounds like just another lie from a lying liar.


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TinklePants
GOLD Member since Jul 2005

TinklePants

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Posted: Written by: KaelGotRice

I'm suprised how little attention this post has gotten considering the anti-bush bashing that normally goes on on HoP, I guess it's because it doesn't have "bush" in the title wink



Nah it's because sunbird hasn't seen it yet.... smile ubblol


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Doc Lightning
GOLD Member since May 2001

Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA

Total posts: 13920
Posted: Written by: psycotic_furby


Does it not really annoy anyone who favours the democrats how tight a race it's still been?



It really hasn't. It wasn't a landslide, but it wasn't tight by any means.

The 1-seat majority in the senate is actually quite an accomplishment when we consider that the Republicans had 40 seats that weren't up for re-election and the Democrats had only 27 that weren't up for re-election (Senate seats are up for election every 6 years). So the fact that of 33 seats up for grabs the Democrats nabbed 24 of them hardly makes this a "narrow" election.

The house is 229 to 196. By House standards, that's not "narrow." That's 55%. Yes, there have been larger margins, but historically the balance hangs close to 50% so this is no small thing.

I wouldn't underestimate the gain the Democrats made.

Mind you this was not a huge gain for liberal politics. Many of the new Freshmen Democratic Representatives are quite centrist and even slightly right-leaning. It means that the U.S. decided that we were sliding dangerously into a one-party system that could eventually lead to a totaliarian state.

I was very worried that we were going to head in the direction of Nazi Germany. So many people agreed that they were willing to let the supposedly unthinkable happen right in front of them because it wasn't happening to them.

I'm glad to know that it's not going to happen here. At least not for two years.

Let's see if this gets our boys and girls out of Iraq.


-Mike )'(
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inactive
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inactive

old hand
Location: , United Kingdom

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Posted:*sunbird taps his fingers on the desk while raising an eyebrow and staring at his fiance* it's not a case of which government will screw a nation, it's a question of when.

To you who has been accessing my online accounts, changing my login details, locations and posting censored about me, realise, you are not worth revenge, you are not worth my attention, you are nothing, and that is all you ever will be.

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TinklePants
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TinklePants

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Posted:tongue

Always use "so's your face" and "only on Tuesdays" in as many conversations possible

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inactive
SILVER Member since May 2005

inactive

old hand
Location: , United Kingdom

Total posts: 722
Posted:frown

To you who has been accessing my online accounts, changing my login details, locations and posting censored about me, realise, you are not worth revenge, you are not worth my attention, you are nothing, and that is all you ever will be.

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_Clare_
BRONZE Member since Oct 2002

_Clare_

Still wiggling
Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland (UK)

Total posts: 5967
Posted:Hurrah and well done to all the americans who took back some control... clap

And I agree with Prometheus on the Rumsfeld m'larky... it made me laugh when I heard it on the news...


Getting to the other side smile

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Gnarly Cranium
SILVER Member since Feb 2005

Gnarly Cranium

member
Location: San Francisco, USA

Total posts: 186
Posted:The whole thing smells fishy to me.

With all the crap they've been pulling lately, with two presidential elections rigged to the hilt and calculated to rattle the entire population into never even thinking about trying to vote outside the two-party line again, and with all the crap about the electronic voting machines and what happened in Ohio and Florida... I'm not ready to buy it. If anything maybe they realized that the furor over the voting problems was getting too big for them and realized they needed to take a step back, give us an inch to make us feel better, lull us back into a sense of false security, make us think for a little longer that maybe voting DOES still sortof work. I have this nasty feeling the whole mess is just a part of some evil plan.

Our choices are Evil and Diet Evil, it's all the same thing. Forget a third party, I'd be happy to see a second one.


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inactive
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old hand
Location: , United Kingdom

Total posts: 722
Posted:Gnarly, high five, I totally agree with you!

To you who has been accessing my online accounts, changing my login details, locations and posting censored about me, realise, you are not worth revenge, you are not worth my attention, you are nothing, and that is all you ever will be.

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Doc Lightning
GOLD Member since May 2001

Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA

Total posts: 13920
Posted:I don't believe in the huge conspiracy theory. Not yet.

I think this was for real. Except I think the REAL margin was a lot larger...


-Mike )'(
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"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura

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CaffeinatedKatie
GOLD Member since Jan 2005

CaffeinatedKatie

Teacher, Dancer, Artist, and General Smartass
Location: Portland, OR, USA

Total posts: 149
Posted:Yes! It was so nice to have a genuinely uplifting election for once. I'm still registered in Oh-So-Red-Idaho, so nothing I voted for won (but by the smallest margin maybe ever).
And such an interesting Act Two with Rummy.
Elation. That's the perfect word.
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