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Thistle


Thistle

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Location: Nottingham UK

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Posted:This weekend i took my dog to his first ever site party. He was very well behaved (as always), curling up by our feet as we danced around him and standing well back watching me spin some fire. However it was said to me that we shouldn't take our dogs to parties as not everyone one is into dogs and sometimes there is in excess of 30 dogs at a small gathering which can be quite intimidating. I disagree.I think it's ok as long as you keep an eye on your pet to make sure he's not causing any bother and that it's a great opportunity for dogs to meet other dogs and get into socialising with each other. I was just wondering what others think about this matter. And has anyone got any dogs at raves horror stories?

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N8


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Location: NY, USA

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Posted:woah, I honestly have never even heard of that. I guess maybe cause I'm from western NEW YORK. The uptight-narrow-minded capital of the world that I have never seen a dog at a rave. That's really kinda cool though, I think my dog would enjoy himself at a rave. (N8 smiles)What kind of dog do you have Thistle?------------------Care of other people's approval and you become their prisoner.Live fully, Rave wholly.Fluid are the movements of my strings...

Care of other people's approval and you become their prisoner.Live fully, Rave wholly.Fluid are the movements of my strings...

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Dr.NoodleHead
BRONZE Member since Mar 2001

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Posted:My ex-doggie (R.I.P, sob) was a beautiful, blue-eyed, rough-coat lurcher and used to LOVE coming to outdoor raves and festies with us. At first she'd be a little shy and stick close and then she'd pick up on those luvved-up vibes and spend hours saying hi to everyone and getting HUGE cuddles off lots of happy, happy people. When she started getting tired I'd sit somewhere quiet and she'd crash out with her head on my lap and then we'd go wandering through the woods/fields/whatever and watch rainbows in dew drops. Truly happy memories.However, I must admit some dogs (and their owners) can be a bit of a nuisance - mainly if they're out of control, aggressive and/or loud and offensive. Alot of owners also don't clean up after their pet which really PISSES ME OFF!. In return for all the joy you get from your pet it's a small price to pay to be resposible about their behaviour and hygeine.I think on balance, it depends on the rave/festie, the dog and the owner's attitude. If all these are favourable then I think doggies can be a really positive influence (people I met could remember my "beautiful, friendly dog" long after they'd forgotten who the heck I was!!)Missing my houndNoods

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Posted:dogs @ raves are great but as long as the owner picks up the 'do do' the dog left behind and as long as the dog isnt aggressive, i have a passive dog and it shits me up everytime another dog attacks it as she is old and not well

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Superman
BRONZE Member since Mar 2001

Superman

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Location: Houston, Texas, USA

Total posts: 829
Posted:i was at a rave here in Houston and this guy had a spider monkey on his shoulder..Ive seen people bring dogs and ferrets to raves. I think some of them do , because when youre rolling, it feels good to be licked, and to pet something fuzzy.(and yes that last sentence was ment to be taken in different ways..)Super'------------------"Only the warrior that hears the call will know when to leave, Where to go" -unknown"We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of the dreams"- Willy Wonka

Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear--not absence of fear.


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Shouden-CrD
SILVER Member since Apr 2001

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Location: Tampa, FL, USA

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Posted:lol!
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Pet monkeys, ferrets, dogs...I would have never thought/seen at a rave! I agree as well, as long as they are well-behaved and the owner picks up the doo-doo.
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Nothing would be worse than dancing around with my poi, stumbling on myself and landing face-first in a pile at a rave while under the influence. hehehmm..monkeys at raves.....so...(I have to ask)...did he let all the happy, happy people pet his monkey????------------------ [PLUR]-=Crazy Raver Dude=-


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Superman
BRONZE Member since Mar 2001

Superman

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Location: Houston, Texas, USA

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Posted:i was peaking and i saw this guy with a monkey...there were some people around him, and he let them pet it. He let it crawl on my shoulder and it was creeping me out.probably because i was roll'n so hard.im waiting for someone to go crazy and bring like a goat or something...Whoa!!! i just had a brainstorm...Petting zoo's out side at raves..no?
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[image]http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubb/images/icons/grin.gif">Super'------------------[/image]"We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of the dreams"- Willy Wonka


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Twist


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Posted:i stepped in a pile after i had been candy-flipping for quite a while.it was not pleasant.i thought i was covered in it.i wasn't.but i thought i was.
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Posted:I've never thought of taking my ferrets along for the ride. Cool idea!!We have a friend who owns a little fox terrier named Sharris (that's how it sound anyway) and she's a real stick chasing girl. Can't touch her usually as she just wants the stick thrown BUT take her to a doof and she transforms into lovey dovey cuddle me and pat me dog. It's really nice!! Never heard or had a problem with doggy doo but that's a reasonable request for ppl to keep. 30 dogs (as written above) would be a little hard to keep track of but if everyone's responsible with their pet, it's all good isn't it?

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Shibaki


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Location: Tampa, Fl

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Posted:I think it would be great for a dog to be at a rave provided it was well cared for, and there werent too many other dogs there. Something on a more personal lever for the pup. Also, I would hate for a dog to get hurt around a whole troupe of fire twirlers. My dogs dont pay attention to what Im doing all the time... Id have to say it all depends on the environment at the time. ------------------~I dont care if they eat me alive, Ive got better things to do than survive. ~Ani

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Posted:what if you got a big boa constrictor, and wrapped him around yourself and walked around like that? you could paint him neon colors and he would glow
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Pele
BRONZE Member since Dec 2000

Pele

the henna lady
Location: WNY, USA

Total posts: 6193
Posted:Redbrother, reptiles are another passion of mine, and painting one would *really* harm it, possibly cause a skin irritation that could kill it. THeir skin is highly sensative to chemicals. Reptiles are fantastic pets and travel well BUT lots of people are afraid of them and they will pick up on that which will cause them to act defensive. My 6' boa once snapped at a person, and she (the snake) had *NEVER* acted that way before. The environment was new and several people were squeamish, including the person who went to touch her. No one got hurt but I put her in her case the rest of the night and kept her away from people, which i felt bad about cause she would've been happier in her compound at home. On the other hand, my friends python is shy and if we take her out she hides, and my baby boa (another RIP-er
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)loved to wrap around my wrist and no one knew she was there. All reptiles I have known (and that is several) kind of freak out at smoke though, which is natural instinct.I used to have cats, dogs, a mouse, a couple rats...all manner of odd critter. With all pets at public gatherings there are things that you need to be aware of, no matter how well adjusted a pet is, every animal, like every person, still has limits. Such as I doubt I would ever take a dog to a place with loud music...knowing how sensative their hearing is. Not to mention at large gatherings there is usually alot of smoke, and I wouldn't want my beloved pet to inhale that, nor would I want them to freak out thinking it's fire. People with fears or allergies is another factor. If anything goes wrong as a result of your pet...someone has an asthma attack because of allergies, you are liable. Your pet does anything, you are liable. Also, sometimes there is that one person that a pet feels they need to guard you from, and that possiblity scares me with the bigger dogs.FOr the fuzzy animals I think sticking to parks and outdoor type things is what I personally view as best. For reptiles, I used to take my baby snake everywhere...literally to restaraunts wrapped around my wrist, but I also carried her bag with me so as to have someplace "safe" for her. My pets (when I have them) are my babies, and snakes are something I have danced with and plan on working into more shows in the future but performance is different than showing off.I think there are some really detrimental factors towards your pet to concider.Like playing with fire and the things that can go wrong the same happens with pets, so carry the shot record and make sure it is licensed. The last thing you want is the animal to be taken away for no id or shots.But this is all my opinion.------------------Pele Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir...


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Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK

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flash fire
BRONZE Member since Jan 2001

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Sporadically Prodigal
Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia

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Posted:Pele - I have long wanted a snake. When (and if) I get a tattoo it will be in the form of a celtic snake.I have a lot of respect for snakes, but was reluctant to ever get one in the form of a pet because I can't imagine them having much of a personality. Am I wrong? I hope so!

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Frenzie
BRONZE Member since Jan 2001

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Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia

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Posted:I wonder if anyone has stopped and thought about the effect of the music on the dogs ears in this discussion.Yeah its great having Charis (who berzerker was talking about) come along to parties, but last time it rained and the only shelter was on the dance floor between 4 speakers.Animals hearing is much more acute than humans and i think you should think about the impact of that noise on your animal's ears before taking your dog to those sorts of enviroments.There seems to be only a couple of dogs that go to parties round here, holly and charis ( shadow no longer cause he sniffs out hash cookies and eats them).I mean i love having her there , but i think her hearing is much more important

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Kat
BRONZE Member since Dec 2000

Kat

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Location: London, Wales (UK)

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Posted:Hmmm I don't think I'd be happy about my dog going to a rave, it's a bit like bringing babies to pub, fun for you and your friends, not fun for other people who have an aversion and not fair on the baby or dog as the case is.Also I agree with Pele and it would be a health hazard to put paint on a snake. My boyf. Kota decided to wash his turtle as it was smelly and died hiccuping soap! Flashfire a celtic snake tatoo would be very cool. Alas that is the only form of snake I can bear to look at, snakes give me the creeps. Luckily for me St. Patrick drove them all out of Ireland. ------------------"London is a city coming down from its trip and there's going to be a lot of refugees" - Danny,Withnail & I

Come faeries, take me out of this dull world, for I would ride with you upon the wind and dance upon the mountains like a flame.

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Thistle


Thistle

old hand
Location: Nottingham UK

Total posts: 950
Posted:N8 my dog is an english springer spaniel cross with a labrador his name is sunshine, sunny for short. He is very passive and loves ppl & dogs. I would only consider taking him to outdoor raves, never inside cos of his hearing. If it is raining he can shelter in the car/truck away from the loud music. He comes to the fire meet every week and never gets in the way. he guards my bag while I'm spinning. I have another dog called grufty who is a mongrel, but he is very agressive to ppl & dogs so he goes to stay with friends and never gets to party!I ALWAYS clean up the do-do cos to leave it is GROSS!!!!Noods sorry u miss ur doggy so much. Have u considered getting another to fill the gap? I no u can never replace a dog with another but you can have a whole new doggy experience. My dog died and i thought i'd never get another but i did & they make me very happy.I worked in a club once that has a resident python and i was totally against it from the outset, but the owner of the snake owned the club and just wouldn't listen to reason. I dont think night clubs are a suitable place for animals at all. Outside is ok though cos the dog has a choice of where to be.Onelove, Thistlefirepixie
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Dr.NoodleHead
BRONZE Member since Mar 2001

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Location: The Giant Mushroom, United Kin...

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Posted:Yo thistle. Replacements are always difficult and I think for the moment, I'm going to try and make the most of my "freedom" and enjoy some travelling (always a bit tricky when there are beasties involved). My ex-hound was a rescue and it was she that decided to adopt me (long story
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). We got on so perfectly that I reckon I'll do the same next time; just wait for some lost mutt to decide they like me enough to move in and take it from there. (Give yours a big huggle from me.)Re: indoor raves - animals should always have a choice in these matters. Indoors there's nowhere for them to go to if it gets a too loud/hectic/scary. I know some people that take them but I must admit I'm not keen.WoofNoods
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I used to have a iguana that was a bit like a dog. It used to come say hi when you got home or whistled for it, loved being petted but never really got the hang of fetching sticks (still, neither did my dog).


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Pele
BRONZE Member since Dec 2000

Pele

the henna lady
Location: WNY, USA

Total posts: 6193
Posted:Flash Fire....oh they have personality and then some!!!! I just had this conversation with Nomad, in fact.My baby boa was soooo sweet, she loved to wrap around my wrist and go everywhere. She didn't like to be "snuggled", that is to ride around the neck, I think it impeded her "idividuality". My 6' boa (Snakey...no I didn't name her!) was super affectionate though. She wrapped herself under my hair and around my back and would rest her head near my hand so that she could always be petted. She loved people, and for the most part they loved her. Goldie, however, an albino python, is shy. She likes to curl up in her stump and stay there...when we can get her out she hides behind hair and clothing and away from new people.As for lizards, my fav is Charlie, the bearded dragon. He is just damn comical. I swear he plays up to people. We let him wander around my friends tatoo shop and now that the weather is nice he just wobbles out onto the sidewalk as he pleases with this absolute content look. Schenk is a water dragon...he acts like he is always stoned. I swear if I wanted to spin him like poi he'd let me. Merlin was my baby iguana, who was very dependent on human contact. He would rest on my chest and just be there all day. I actually rescued him from a friend who didn't know how to care for him. A carnival game was giving juvenile igs out as prizes but they were too young, and when that happens they become dependent on human contact for feeding and everything...it was horribly sad. Anyway then there was Drake who was simply mean to anyone but me, and then he was mean to me when I stopped wearing him (He reached from his head under my chin to the bottom of his tail around the back of my left knee) and tried to put him back in his tank. He had been abandonned so I think he was predispositioned by the time my friend got him. Ziggy was a striped iguana who would bob and shake his head in rhythm to whatever music we had. He would just crawl from the recesses of his tank to boogie. He was funny. Anyway, as you can see....I really enjoy reptiles (the way Pere enjoys birds it seems) and they really are diverse in personalities. The only issue with them is that you have to really wash your hands once you've handled them..though this is mostly applicable to amphibians (esp. turtles) as some breeds carry the salmonilla bacteria on their flesh.I would also say research what is available in your area, with and without a permit, as well as care and possible growth size (very important to know since some breeds can get up to 12 feet in size!!!). Also when you go to buy, purchase from a reputable breeder. You never want to get one from the wild as the disposition can change drastically towards humans. Also, if you have children, pythons are not so great as once they get older some suffer a senility that causes them to attack randomly and several children over the past few years have died from it. For the record...boa attacks on humans are the rarest of all in the snake kindom, and if you know how to move, you can get out of a boa hold, even from the largest one....though I have *never* in my 15 years of snake handling had a problem with boas.Sorry...didn't mean to over load you!
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Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK

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Location: Camaiore, Lu, Italy

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Posted:I know that my family's dogs have been able to hear the family car coming from blocks away. I can't imagine how loud a rave must be to the acute dog senses. Also, keep in mind that just because he's your buddy doesn't mean he's everyone elses. I have some friends that are deathly afraid of big dogs. When an unleashed dog runs up to give you a friendly lick the owner may know it's friendly but the rest of us don't. Otherwise, if the noise level is cool and your dog is in check, it's all good.

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Peregrine


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Posted:yes reptiles are cool, but I am more of an 'in the wild' animal person.
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Australia by far has some of the coolest reptiles ever including all those poisonous snakes which I never saw except for a red-bellied black snake...does your bearded dragon do that open mouth puff up beard flat body threat thing? I caught a bearded dragon at my study site once about a foot and a half long (ok maybe i'm exaggerating), also had water dragons there as well as copper tailed skinks and jacky lizards and even once a quite good size Goanna (which is a monitor lizard)...other aussie reptile highlights while i was there were a carpet python being attacked by fantails because it was getting to their nest, an Amythystine Python in far north queensland that was maybe about 12 feet long (it was night, its head was off one side of the road and the tail on the other side), Boyd's forest dragons, barking geckos, saltie and freshwater crocodiles, brown tree snakes, white-lipped tree frogs, legless skinks....i could go on, and that was just the lizards let alone mammals and birds and plants and.....ok nature freakout sorry. and arizona! cool lizards there too! New England really kind of sucks for reptiles but we did see a nice meter long water snake on saturday. anyway, if you absolutely must get a pet reptile make SURE that it is captive bred...the trade in wild species is really causing a lot of bad negative pressure on threatened species, like Box Turtles. and if you really like lizards you gotta go see em where they live. Pere


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Posted:pele- thank you for pointing that out, i would hate myself if i were to harm an animal out of ignorance.also, what about garden snakes? i would think that they would attack even less than boas. and can you feed snakes anything other than live mice? i am thinking of getting one, but hate the idea of feeding live mice to a snake. it would be fun to watch im sure, but when you think of it from the mouse's view, dropped into a cage and hunted down, sheer terror until it suffocates to death. anyway, thats all 4 now
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Pele
BRONZE Member since Dec 2000

Pele

the henna lady
Location: WNY, USA

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Posted:Redbrother,Actually most domesticated snakes are more afraid of live food than anything. Knocking the food out takes nerves...I was squeamish at first let me tell you...the poor mousie!! I must've swung it (in a similar way to poi but against a dresser) two or three times before it knocked out. But then I found that the mouse could wake up (which it did upon smelling the snake) and actually scratch my snake and cause a deadly infection. I said the hell with it...I paid alot of good money for her. I talked with the zoo and found there are, get this, vitamin fortified frozen rodents for sale through most pet/reptile stores. They have pinkies (the little newborn mice) for small snakes all the way up to guinea pigs for larger animals. You just pull one out thaw it and feed the snake by dangling the food by the tail. Snakes need to be fed every 7 to 10 days, after which you shouldn't handle the snake for two days, after that it will need a cage cleaning.
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Snakey was 14th gen domestic. If you put anything live near her she watched it, it was funny, but she wouldn't attack at all.Shiva (my baby) coiled back in fear from a live pinky when it wiggled in the reptile shop. The owner did that to show me how domestic she truly was. He then dangled a frozen one, which she promptly ate. It is cool to see though Redbrother.Garden snakes when caught will bite...I know for a fact, my thumb was nipped by a little one. Most wild animals will run first, attack later when there are no more options.Yes, Pere they are awesome in the wild, amazing and I have had the pleasure of seeing several species but i have a tale about this. A person I know of (and dislike) had an overabundance of domestic reptiles and no one was buying so he let them go inthe wild in the woods behind his house. Most of these are tropical/sub-tropical creatures so you can imagine they didn't do well in the North East US, nor could most of them fend for their own food. While taking a walk about a week later another friend and I found several of them dead. I turned the ass into the SPCA completely infuriated. Since then my theory has been better me taking care of them than someone who doesn't know how to care for them, or than them being set free.
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Redbrother, if you are looking into getting one somethings to keep in mind, a 25 gallon fish tank, at least to start with. I don't care what the pet shop says, wood chips are bad as a base for snake habitats (I have seen two get mouth infections from this..I work with the vet here in town occassionally because he knows nothing about exotic pets). Line it with low pile indoor/outdoor carpet.You will need a heat lamp..not a hot rock, which can scorch the snake. The snake will eventually need an actual habitat built into a room, they can only live in a tank until they are about 4 or so. And if you've heard they grow only to fit their environment or as much as you feed them, this is essentially a myth. Kay...I am done now.
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------------------Pele Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir...


Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK

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Location: Austin TX USA

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Posted:I don't really go to raves, but I love dogs (and cats). The one thing I'll add to all that's been said is that not everybody does love dogs. Some people are just afraid of them (especially after that ugly incident in San Francisco), so bringing a dog to something like that could become a point of contention.

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jamie


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Posted:hey, bout that san francisco incident, the guy who owned the dogs was my dad's patient, and the girl who was attacked was my sister's lacross coach, weird huh?and to stay on topic i'll say, dogs should not go to raves, the atmosphere at raves is designed to be unnatural and would freak out any dog, but if your dog is cool with it, and you're willing to take care of it and clean up the whole time, knock yourself out. peace out, and happy petting.

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Posted:I believe you should be able to do anything with your dog at all if you are a responsible dog owner. By being so, I don't mean that you have gotten a dog when you're working full-time and do not spend enough time with it. I believe getting a dog is kind of like having a small child - you need to teach it the rights and wrongs of this world.Or else it will hurt other ppl, or their possessions, or even kill. For example, I lived with a girl who bought a dog cause she didn't want to be broken into anymore. She spent hardly any time with it - it was also an active dog that needed a lot of excercise. She relied on other people 99% of the time to take it out of its tiny yard for a bit of fun. This is a shining example of how *stupid* a person can be. Dog owners need to train their dogs from day one. It doesn't take long at all - and you never need to actually hit them. They are intelligent animals - but this intelligence is getting wasted if they are not taught manners. Another example is that one of my birdies was mauled to death by a dog just a few days ago (we are currently house-sitting).. and yet last week they were riding on the back of another (responsible) friend's dog preening him and loving it. The death was needless, good dog ownership and responsibility is all that is needed to let our dogs have free invitation to certain parties etc. And it is all the ignorant and irresponsible owners like the ppl I mentioned above that spoil it for the informed owners with the educated, loved and awesome dogs. Although if I had a dog, I would not take it to an indoor rave with all the poxy flashing lights and bad sounds. I cannot see a problem with having it at certain doofs though... I enjoy meeting dogs as much as people
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