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Rozi
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Posted:This thread has been started as a response to some discussion on another about the Pill, and the side effects for women. On page four of the Mooncups Thread , Doc Lightning raised the issue of the pill as a way of managing the female menstrual cycle noting that the female patients he had prescribed it to had had a noticeable improvement in dealing with their period every month.

This was followed with discussion by Clare and Aimee about the adverse impacts they had had on the pill. Spritie made the point that there are different pill formulations, and that it was important to try different ones to find the right one for you.

Doc Lightning made an interesting point that some people link other unrelated symptoms to medication they are taking. He gave the example of a patient he had had in medical college who blamed weight gain on the course of prozac she was taking, although it was most likely caused by a pituitary tumor which gave her the Cushing's Disease.

At this point I will deviate a little from just re-counting what was said in the thread. I want to explain my response, giving as full a picture as possible, so that people can make a fair judgement about any comments made.

I will be straight-forward and say that whilst I understood the point that Doc made, I found his language condescending and a little over-bearing. By recounting the tale that he chose to tell, in the language he chose "She SWEARS it was the Prozac. It wasn't, but she'll never believe it." it seemed that he implied that all the people who had posted up to that point were complaining about something that wasn't there or wasn't real.

I recognise that this was probably not Doc's intent. However I have had my own personal experiences (see, I told you I was going to be as honest as possible in order to allow people to see the full picture) where doctors are similarly dismissive about emotional symptoms.

I am not about to stop using the Pill however I have had several friends who, despite trying a couple of formulations feel "out of their skin" or "not themselves". I know that those feelings have been dismissed by members of the medical profession. With the expectation that it is just something you "pretty much have to put up with to stay baby-free".

If more women were made aware of the possible emotional side-effects, they may be able to get to a doctor sooner to change their pill formulation, rather than going off the pill and wondering why the last couple of months had felt so strange. And if more doctors thought about the implications of how it is to feel "not yourself" every day (basically it feels like a mental illness) then maybe they would take these symptoms more seriously.


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BansheeCat
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Posted:yes, I get that!

"God *was* my co-pilot, but then we crashed, and I had to eat him..."

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Birgit
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Posted:It's very annoying I find. Next time I shall take a bag of lavender or something on the bus and bury my nose in it!

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BansheeCat
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Posted:Yeah, I wear orange oil, so all I can smell is myself!

"God *was* my co-pilot, but then we crashed, and I had to eat him..."

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polythene


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Posted:Same. London tube trains... horrendous.

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The pessimist fears this is true.

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Birgit
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Posted:I had completely forgotten about that cause I was on the pill for ages!! Well at least I won't have to worry about eating anything that's gone off... more about throwing things out because I THINK they are, or getting paranoid about smelling of sweat or something ubblol

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_Aime_
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Location: Hastings, United Kingdom

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Posted:Argh. I just want these nasty chemicals out of my body now.

To cut a long story short I've got a wound which has split open twice and wont close after minor sugery, I also have a stonking chest infection and cold, I have to stay at home to let wound heal properly so I'm by myself all day.
I'm kicking and breaking things because I'm so frustrated and down! I don't get angry and break things, that's not me!
Give me Aime back!

Just another 3 weeks and then everything will be back to normal meditate


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Tao Star

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Posted:ok i've got another question not really metioned yet....

sounds like i've been extremely lucky - i was put on cilest combined pill when i was 16 and have been taking it ever since. never had any trouble at all, and my boobs even got bigger (wheeey!) i briefly flirted with the jab, but wans't happy with having no periods at all, even though the bleeding you get on the pill isn't actaully a 'period', i'm still happier with it that way.

so here's the thing though, i've always smoked a little bit, maybe like 4 or 5 roll ups a day. yes i admit that i'm addiceted to nicotine, but i don't mind how much i smoke, i'm prefctly happy with it and see at as an indulgance, just as someone who eats junk food or whatever, i have no plan to give up. even though my doctor said to me 5 cigs - what's the point?!?! huh? i LIKE smoking, and feel that the amount i smoke is fine. there, that was just my disclaimer in advance - don't tell me to give up, its not gonna happen smile

but yeah, to get to the actual question! everyone keeps telling me that smoking and the pill don't go together but WHY???? what is the actual risk here? not that i disbelieve, but i just want to know what is the risk i'm talking. see if it was a choice between the pill & smoking i choose the pill - so if anybody knows the specific risk, i'm dying to know. smile


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Doc Lightning
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Posted: Written by: Tao Star


ok i've got another question not really metioned yet....

sounds like i've been extremely lucky -



No you haven't. You fall into a solid majority. wink

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but yeah, to get to the actual question! everyone keeps telling me that smoking and the pill don't go together but WHY????



Taking estrogen can slightly increase the risk for blood clots. Smoking DRASTICALLY increases the risk for blood clots. The two together are very dangerous. A clot forms in your leg, flows up the veins to the right atrium, through the right ventricle, and lodges in a pulmonary artery...

...and you drop dead right there. Sometimes you have enough time to clutch your chest in pain and confusion before you drop dead. Sometimes you don't drop dead, but the outcome is never very good.

If you insist on smoking, I'd have you on a progestin-only pill or on Depo-Provera. Progestin-only preparations do not have the clotting side-effect.

My rule for women on estrogen pills is "no more than one cigarrette a month."


-Mike )'(
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jenster
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Posted:i am on the combined pill called microgynon and have had no problems with it at all. I have been taking it now for 6.5 years and was wondering if i should give by body a break from it for a while. Is the week break from it each month for menstrution enough?
This might be one for the doc to answer but if anyone else knows then let me know.


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spinningstarlet
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Posted:Jenster thats what i was on for about three years... i've just decided to go back on it, having had a six month break. i wasn't told to have a break though, mostly it was a combination of circumstances at the time, and wanting to have a rest!!

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Posted:i've had a couple of 6 moths breaks. i don't know from a medical point of view if it makes any difference, but i know it makes me feel better, it's just noce not to be taking a pill every day, so it can't be a bad thing.

I had a dream that my friend had a
strong-bad pop up book,
it was the book of my dreams.

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Tao Star

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Posted:i've been taking the pill for about 7 yrs & i've had a couple of 6 month breaks. i don't know from a medical point of view if it makes any difference, but i know it makes me feel better, it's just nice not to be taking a pill every day, so it can't be a bad thing.

I had a dream that my friend had a
strong-bad pop up book,
it was the book of my dreams.

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The Tea Fairy
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Posted:ditto

My problem is I get moody after I've been on a break from it so I never want to start again!


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spinningstarlet
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Posted:For me it's just a little while that i don't have to worry - did i take my pill today? have i got it with me if i decide not to go home? etc.

but in the same way it is nice that i don't have to worry - what if the condom splits? what if i need the morning after pill? (which btw HOW expensive?) etc.

so i guess its pretty even.


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Doc Lightning
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Posted: Written by: toobie


For me it's just a little while that i don't have to worry - did i take my pill today? have i got it with me if i decide not to go home? etc.




Hence, I like the non-pill alternatives. Everyone keeps going on about how tough it is to take a pill.

Ladies, if this is a problem, TALK TO YOUR DOCTOR. There are three alternatives. And most women on this site are comfortable enough with themselves that they can use a NuvaRing with no problem.


-Mike )'(
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Tao Star

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Posted:nuvaring? explain??!

I had a dream that my friend had a
strong-bad pop up book,
it was the book of my dreams.

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Doc Lightning
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Posted:NuvaRing!

(For the 16th time...) wink


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Blasphemous Girl
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Posted:Well Ive never actually taken the pill for various reasons - hart problems when I was younger, family history of blood clots and breast cancer, not trusting my self to remember to actually take it and mainly not liking the idea of putting hormones into my body every day and not really being aware of the long term consequences

I did try the depo injection for just over a year but I didnt really get on with it. I bled for about 4 weeks after my first injection, I put on weight, felt depressed, loss of libido and back to my not wanting to put hormones into my body..

To people that havent got on with the pill or the injection I just wanted to say that there is another option that people havent really talked about much here an IUD. I know its not going to be for everyone, but for me the advantages were - it can last for up to 5 years (sometime more, up to 10 I think) no injections, no pills, no hormones, no emotional side affects (as far as Im aware!), I think normal fertility returns as soon as you have it removed. Obviously theres some bad points too it can make periods more painful and heavy, and there are other things too. Its definitely not going to be suitable for everyone, but its something that some people may want to look into as another option.


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Posted: Written by: Doc Lightning


Hence, I like the non-pill alternatives. Everyone keeps going on about how tough it is to take a pill.




Hey, Doc, since you seem to be very well versed in these things, what's the scoop on the IUD? Good, bad, somewhat like NuvaRing? A friend of mine is using one, and I was wondering what the current opinion was on it....

Her opinion left little explanation:
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my plastic baby seems to be working now. i haven't had leaky girl time since graduation. i like calling it my plastic baby mostly because it confuses people. and, well... because it hangs out in my uterus.



Jus' curious.... redface


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spinningstarlet
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Posted: Written by: Doc Lightning


 Written by: toobie


For me it's just a little while that i don't have to worry - did i take my pill today? have i got it with me if i decide not to go home? etc.




Hence, I like the non-pill alternatives. Everyone keeps going on about how tough it is to take a pill.





Oh don't get me wrong Doc, the pill isn't a problem at all for me... it's just after a while its like....

you get so used to locking the door when you leave the house that you don't remember if you've done it or not... so you go back to check and voila! it's locked! it's kind like that... i get so used to taking it, that sometimes i think about it and get confused, lol! thats why a break is nice.

smile


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spritie
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Posted:An IUD is a good option. I think doctors in the states are somewhat reluctant to give it females before they've had their first child, although I don't really know the reasons why.

As for taking the pill every day, that's never been my problem. I have to take other daily meds, so I just take them all first thing when I wake up, and viola, no problem. In the 9 years I've been on them, I have only missed a day once. Maybe that partially has to do with the fact that I've experienced the whole unwanted pregnancy and really don't want a repeat. Anyways, I'm just saying that taking a pill each day doesn't have to be a chore. It just depends on how you think about it.


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blu_valley
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Posted:I started taking microgynon a few months ago. I got a little moody and had a very low libido. Broke up with my boyfriend and got a new one and the moodiness stopped and my libido returned...I guess it had nothing to do with the pill at all. wink

"I want to know if you can see beauty even when it's not pretty, every day,and if you can source your own life from its presence.." - Oriah Mountain Dreamer

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Doc Lightning
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Posted: Written by: Kathain_Bowen



Hey, Doc, since you seem to be very well versed in these things, what's the scoop on the IUD? Good, bad, somewhat like NuvaRing? A friend of mine is using one, and I was wondering what the current opinion was on it....




I'm not an OB/GYN doc, so my experience with these devices is less than with the purely hormonal options.

The IUD is an excellent choice for women who know that they don't want a baby for several years. It's a bit more involved to get one (minimum of two visits, one for a very minor procedure) and if you want it out, then it's also a minor procedure. There is one sort that elutes a progestin hormone, but at a very low dose that basically affects the endometrial lining directly without having much effect on the body as a whole. Women who use the currently most popular IUD (Mirena-US web page) often notice that their menstrual flow is greatly decreased. There can be some cramping in the first few months that almost always goes away by one year. It shouldn't be used by women who have had pelvic inflammatory disease or an ectopic (e.g. tubal) pregnancy.

Most OB/GYN's will not put one into a teenager, and that drives me crazy since teenagers are the population that I feel would best benefit from IUD's.


-Mike )'(
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spritie
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Posted:Do the docs have a specific reason for not wanting to put them in teenagers? I've always heard good things about them from older women, so I was just wondering if there was a medical reason for not doing so. Do they harm your ability to have children in the future or elevate any risks of doing so? Is it harder to concieve quickly after having one removed (i.e. would it most likely take at least a year or more to conceive)? I know the time it takes to conceive after going off the pill vary from person to person - some less than a month, some about a year, so I was just wondering if maybe after removal of the IUD it would take a whole lot longer than after going off the pill?

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Blasphemous Girl
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Posted:mine is a non hormonal type, it's made from copper and its the small amouts of copper that are released into womb that prevents pregnancy. as far as i know normal fertility returns as soon as it's removed.

i'm not a doc but i think the main reasons for not puting them into younger people are that if you've already had children they are more easy to fit and there is less chance of them moving out of place. also they prefer to fit them in people that are in stable relationships as if you got an STI it can lead to problems like pelvic inflammatory disease.

i had mine fitted at 18


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Doc Lightning
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Posted:There's also a teensy risk of uterine scarring and, thus, fertility issues...

And in this country OB/GYN's are so lawsuit-phobic...

...they forget that pregnancy carries a far higher complication rate. Like comparing winning the lottery to getting a parking ticket.


-Mike )'(
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