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Member Since: 20th May 2002
Total posts: 301
Posted:I wasn't quite sure which forum to post this on but for me Go is a discipline so I thought I'd post here

For those that don't know Go is an ancient chinese game. Written records go back to Confucius Analects at around 500BC, though all he says about it is that it's better to play games like go than be a complete waster.

The game was imported to Japan in the Edo period along with Buddhism and became very popular.

Go is a game for two players played on a 19*19 board, the players take it in turns to place a stone down. The aim of the game is to capture territory but if some of your stones become surrounded then they die and the opponent can remove them from the board. Stones do not move once placed, they can only be removed if captured.

the Chinese name is Wei-Chi, literally "Surrounding-Game", the japanese name is Igo from which the western name "Go" is derived.

Go is the best game there is, If this thread generates any interest you can be sure I will write a list of reasons why go is the greatest game.

I was just wondering if anyone else plays or wanted to learn.


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coleman
coleman

big and good and broken
Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay
Member Since: 29th Aug 2002
Total posts: 7330
Posted:i've played go only a few times - keep meaning to get a board but never get round to it redface



backgammon is a favourite of mine and i'm itching to ghet hold of a set of 'the royal game of ur' ubblove



link: http://www.tradgames.org.uk/games/Royal-Game-Ur.htm
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cole. x


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i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
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Mr_Chutney
Mr_Chutney

Tosser
Location: Herefordshire
Member Since: 18th Apr 2003
Total posts: 1711
Posted:I have a Go board- I have played a bit online and had a bit of tutorial from BovrilMonkey.I will learn, one day.

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jemima (jem)
jemima (jem)

Pooh-Bah
Location: london
Member Since: 2nd Dec 2002
Total posts: 1750
Posted:I have never heard of go, but somehow I recognise the board. I like backgammon myself, its easier than chess ubblol


cole, you can start practicing then here


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ado-p
ado-p

Pirate Ninja
Location: Galway/Ireland
Member Since: 13th May 2004
Total posts: 3882
Posted:I;ve never played but i've been facinited with it for years.

Would love to hear some more about it...

a


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coleman
coleman

big and good and broken
Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay
Member Since: 29th Aug 2002
Total posts: 7330
Posted:sweet!

thanks jem! hug


cole. x


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i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
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Chronofracture333
Chronofracture333

Hobo Gaylord
Location: I am worldwide and lush
Member Since: 15th Jun 2005
Total posts: 329
Posted:Amazing game. ubblove

You can learn so much about about a person just by playing them once.


*no moves there are no moves there are no moves there are no moves there are no moves there are no*

"Oooh, what a shiny new move!"

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coleman
coleman

big and good and broken
Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay
Member Since: 29th Aug 2002
Total posts: 7330
Posted:http://kgs.kiseido.com/en_US/applet.jsp
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ubbrollsmile


cole. x


"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
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borganique
borganique

member
Location: Cornwall
Member Since: 6th Jan 2006
Total posts: 154
Posted:i'm gonna have to play this now... just read about go in howard marks' book and here are hoppers talking about it. will post back when i've found out what it is smile

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Mascot
Mascot

enthusiast

Member Since: 20th May 2002
Total posts: 301
Posted:If you want to learn Go then there are some good books available-

"The Magic Of Go" By Cho Chikun
and
"Teach Yourself Go" By Charles Matthews
are the best beginner books

For the more advanced/precocious
"Lessons in the fundamentals of Go" By Kageyama
is a lesson in humility- classic harsh Japanese teacher, but very good.

He says things like "The man who would play like this should not be allowed to play Go".

The elementary go series is also good intermediate stuff, Tesuji by James Davies and Attack and Defence by James Davies and Ishida Akira


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Mascot
Mascot

enthusiast

Member Since: 20th May 2002
Total posts: 301
Posted:A good Go site;

http://senseis.xmp.net/
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also

www.goproblems.com

if you already know what you're doing

I'm glad someone posted KGS as well- thats definitely the best international Go server.

Unfortunately not very many people play so if you want to play a lot against diffrent opponents you have to go online.

I'm mattscott on KGS, who else has an account?


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_Clare_
_Clare_

Still wiggling
Location: Belfast
Member Since: 22nd Oct 2002
Total posts: 5967
Posted:I played Go in Cambodia, but found it fairly difficult to get my head around, elements of chess kept sneaking in there...

Ah well... nice thread smile


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TheBovrilMonkey
TheBovrilMonkey

Liquid Cow
Location: High Wycombe, England
Member Since: 3rd Sep 2001
Total posts: 2629
Posted:I used to play Go with someone I worked with, but when we both left I pretty much stopped.

Mainly because of all the muppets on msn who, when I started a game saying that I was a beginner, would say 'yeah, me too', then proceed to resoundly kick my arse.

I still enjoy playing, but not with people who lie about how good they are to get an advantage.


But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.

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ickleMatt
ickleMatt

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Location: L.O.N.D.O.N.
Member Since: 4th Apr 2006
Total posts: 242
Posted:Go is indeed the king of all board games; it ended my part time affair with chess. Unfortunately sometimes Go players are thin on the ground, and so is enough time to play a whole game (sometimes 2 hours!)

Luckily one of the times of the year where I get to play Go is coming up: Bristol Juggling Convention. So I should brush up with a few games against Goban - a simulator for the Mac (and Linux I think). It's not really like playing a human but you start to realise what it is to make a bad move.

Oh and if you ask me, playing over the internet is making a socially poor past time practically anti social.


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TheBovrilMonkey
TheBovrilMonkey

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Location: High Wycombe, England
Member Since: 3rd Sep 2001
Total posts: 2629
Posted:True, using the internet turns a lot of things anti-social.

However, as you said, Go players can be thin on the ground so sometimes the internet is the only chance of playing at all.


But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.

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Mascot
Mascot

enthusiast

Member Since: 20th May 2002
Total posts: 301
Posted:the internet is being done down a bit here. These forums show the internets ability to foster social interaction, we wouldn't be having this conversation if it wasn't for the internet. I always discuss the game with my opponent afterwards, and I have several friends on KGS (Kiseido Go Server) much as I have friends on HOP.

Also the internet provides as many players as you could wish to play, and guarentees that the game wil be close by giving everyone a grade.

there is no "lying about your ability" or confusion between grading systems online.

having said all that, playing a person is better where possible. Check out http://www.britgo.org/
(the british Go association) to find a local go club in England.

Go is in some ways not the most social game anyway. A friend of mine put it like this "If you want to play people, poker is a good game, if you want to play the game Go is the best game there is". A good go game is usualy about an hour of silence and concentration. It's exhillarating watching the battles rage and the fight go backwards and forwards, straining youself looking for a countermove, a weakness in your opponents formation. A lot of Go is like argueing with the opponent over what is reasonable and if a particualr strategy is a good idea. My opponent plays a move and my response might say "You went in too far my friend, now I will kill you", it might say "Fair enough, you can have that", it might say "Thats not important, this is more important" if I ignore him and play elsewhere it might even say "OH NO AAARGH errr I didn't see that at all".

You can learn a lot about someone from the way they play, how aggressive they are, how much they value slow solid developement, and to what extent they can be intimidated.

Go isn't perhaps very social but then neither is juggling or poi per se


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[noodles]
[noodles]

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Location: Locked In Pigeons Chimney
Member Since: 31st Jul 2005
Total posts: 893
Posted:Damn. I just lost frown (tee hee)

Could somebody stop the room please... I'd like to get off

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Mascot
Mascot

enthusiast

Member Since: 20th May 2002
Total posts: 301
Posted:Wohoo

I reached 1 Dan yesterday on KGS.

For those that don't know 1 Dan is a grade used in Karate, many other martial arts, and Go. Roughly speaking It makes me a blackbelt at Go.

I can't wait be cornered down a dark alley and say "before we begin I must warn you that I am a Shodan". That'll scare them oh yes.

The proverb says it takes 1000 games to reach Shodan. A game a day for 3 years.....thats actually pretty accurate. I don't quite play daily, but I've been playing for 5 years now. I recon I've played roughly that many games.

It's very satisfying to finaly be a Dan-ranked player


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Mynci
Mynci

Macaque of all trades
Location: wombling free...
Member Since: 27th Apr 2005
Total posts: 8737
Posted:I like that royal game of UR and Ilike the soundof this Go,I used toplay a bit of chess and I like tactical games, I'm not great but they help the mind grow and teach forward thinking and problem solving

A couple of balls short of a full cascade... or maybe a few cards short of a deck... we'll see how this all fans out.

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