Written by: BTI UK Travel Alert
UK AIRPORTS BAGGAGE POLICY
Bulletin issued by BTI UK Travel Alert Service:
09.05 – 10 August 2006
Please be advised of the following development(s) that may impact your travel program:
Further to today’s national security alert at UK airports, the Department for Transport (DoT) has issued additional security measures. With immediate effect, the following arrangements apply to all passengers starting their journey at a UK airport and to those transferring between flights at a UK airport.
All cabin baggage must be processed as hold baggage and carried in the hold of passenger aircraft departing UK airports.
Passengers may take through the airport security search point, in a single (ideally transparent) plastic carrier bag, only the following items. Nothing may be carried in pockets:
-pocketsize wallets and pocket size purses plus contents (for example money, credit cards, identity cards etc (not handbags));
-travel documents essential for the journey (for example passports and travel tickets);
-prescription medicines and medical items sufficient and essential for the flight (eg diabetic kit), except in liquid form unless verified as authentic.
-spectacles and sunglasses, without cases.
-contact lens holders, without bottles of solution.
-for those travelling with an infant: baby food, milk (the contents of each bottle must be tasted by the accompanying passenger) and sanitary items sufficient and essential for the flight (nappies, wipes, creams and nappy disposal bags).
-female sanitary items sufficient and essential for the flight, if unboxed (eg tampons, pads, towels and wipes).
-tissues (unboxed) and/or handkerchiefs
-keys (but no electrical key fobs)
All passengers must be hand searched, and their footwear and all the items they are carrying must be x-ray screened.
Pushchairs and walking aids must be x-ray screened, and only airport-provided wheelchairs may pass through the screening point.
In addition to the above, all passengers boarding flights to the USA and all the items they are carrying, including those acquired after the central screening point, must be subjected to a secondary search at the boarding gate. Any liquids discovered must be removed from the passenger.
There are no changes to current hold baggage security measures.
Regrettably, significant delays at airports are inevitable. Passengers are being asked to allow themselves plenty of extra time and to ensure that other than the few permitted items listed above; all their belongings are placed in their hold baggage and checked in.
Written by: coleman
back on topic and a constant reminder of the capitalist world we live in...
like mike said, in the end, its all about the money...
so, today's themes are "my finger is bigger than yours and i can point it better" and "won't somebody please think of the precious, precious money?!"
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
Written by: Doc Lightning
Yes, they want to kill us...but more importantly is to remember that this is TERRORISM. Terrorism doesn't kill that many people because it doesn't need to. It only need kill a few. And that makes people...well...terrified.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
Written by: Doc Lightning
IT COULD HAVE BEEN HANDLED DIFFERENTLY with equally good security and much less economic impact.
Written by: Dco Lightning
How many hijackings/bombings were prevented by these security measures? I say ZERO. I say that because 1) they found no explosives and 2) no planes went down. How many hijackings were prevented by Scotland Yard? I'd say all of them.
Written by: Doc Lightning
The result is that we self-destruct when we do this. Oh lordy, Bin Laden (if he's alive) must be having quite the belly laugh at all this. It's like the little kids who start giggling and grabbing their sides when I make like I might possibly tickle them. Here they make like they might possibly blow something up and the next thing you know we're canceling flights, causing significant economic damage to ourselves, and we're doing all the work for them!
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
Written by: Doc Lightning
Another quote to illustrate the points I've made:Written by: BBC
"The goal of these terrorists and extremists is not just to kill but also to disrupt the economic life of Britain," Ryanair's chief executive Michael O'Leary said.
And yet they've managed to do just that without having to kill a single soul.
Written by: artindoril
The main thing is that whilst it may have damaged the economy, and economy can always bounce back. However, it wouldn't be possible to replace the lives of the thousands that would have died if this plot had been allowed to go ahead unhindered.
Surely it is better to go on with our normal lives hindered by increased security and restrictions, than for thousands to die at the hands of these killers?
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
Written by: coleman
i agree with you that the radical muslim terrorists do indeed ultimately aim to destroy our way of life and install their way of life in its place.
cole. x
"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade
I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.
"vices are like genitals - most are ugly to behold, and yet we find that our own are dear to us."
(G.W. Dahlquist)
Owner of Dragosani's left half
Written by: mcpWritten by: coleman
i agree with you that the radical muslim terrorists do indeed ultimately aim to destroy our way of life and install their way of life in its place.
cole. x
Is that what they really want to do? I thought they just wanted to get the western world to stop interfering in israel / the middle east / whereever they come from.
nobody likes people interfering with them.
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade
I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.
Written by: coleman
tell us what you think the 'right' course of action would have been in these circumstances.
Written by: coleman
1) they found no explosives because the security measures were totally successful in making an attack on an inflight airliner impossible
2) no planes went down because the security checks made it impossible for anyone to get a bomb onboard so no-one bothered to try
Written by:
as long as the airport security goes back to a similar level to that previous to last thursday, i'm happy with the extra temporary security precautions.
Written by:
i'm sorry mike, but i'm far more of the opinion that killing four thousand people would make a much bigger difference to our way of life than stopping the attack and putting up with some (perhaps overzealous) security precautions for a few days has.
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
Written by: mcp
to be fair, if the penalty for stealing was getting a hand cut off, you wouldn't see me stealing traffic cones.
Written by: mentalmeg
If muslim communities are successful and take over britain, that's fine by me. Some cultures are some successful than others, that's just what happens.
Written by: meg
I think racial tension is increased by only one thing: that you can distinguish them as different from us (very easily.) We have loads of polish people here in edinburgh, but their is no racial hatred or violence or even bigoted remarks, but polish people look like us. Hell I didn't even know we had lots of polish people.
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
Written by: mcp
If muslim communities are successful and take over britain, that's fine by me. Some cultures are some successful than others, that's just what happens.
If they want to implement their own law system, that'll be an interesting legal tangle for them. Maybe locking somebody up for many years is just as horrendous and intolerable for them as cutting off body parts is for us. Long term prisoners have huge problems living in the outside world again.
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
Written by: colemanWritten by: mcp
to be fair, if the penalty for stealing was getting a hand cut off, you wouldn't see me stealing traffic cones.
move to iran then
Written by: colemanWritten by: mentalmeg
If muslim communities are successful and take over britain, that's fine by me. Some cultures are some successful than others, that's just what happens.
what?
if the terrorists achieve their aim and totally radicalise asnd segregate the islamic people of our nation, to the point of them serving different laws and only interacting with other muslims that's fine by you?!
Written by: coleman
we have a fundamental disagreement here.
i believe in embracing ethnic diversity within a society but i whole-heartedly disagree with any ideas within that ethos that lead to segregation and separatism.
implementing sharia law 'only within the communities' wouldn't work at all - not when the law of the community and the law of the nation disagree over such fundamental things as punishment suitable for the worst crimes (rape, murder).
Written by: coleman
over-simplification on a massive scale there mate.
poles live in almost exactly the same way as we do when they come to this country.
british muslims have a very different way of life to say their jewish, christian or atheist neighbours.
there are also no polish extremeists attempting to bomb civilian targets in the name of their god - i'd say people would soon start noticing them if that happened...
"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade
I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.
"I'm quite good at darts, though i often miss" - Kylie
"I'm not a bad driver, I just panic when theres other cars around" - Sarah
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
Keep your dream alive
Dreamin is still how the strong survive
Shalom VeAhavah
New Hampshire has a point....
Written by: mcpWritten by: colemanWritten by: mcp
to be fair, if the penalty for stealing was getting a hand cut off, you wouldn't see me stealing traffic cones.
move to iran then
pointless remark there, thanks.
Written by: megWritten by: coleman
we have a fundamental disagreement here.
i believe in embracing ethnic diversity within a society but i whole-heartedly disagree with any ideas within that ethos that lead to segregation and separatism.
implementing sharia law 'only within the communities' wouldn't work at all - not when the law of the community and the law of the nation disagree over such fundamental things as punishment suitable for the worst crimes (rape, murder).
We make it work between countries already? Other countries have different lawas from us. Someday we're going to have to understand that we all live on the same planet, and it's not naturally broken into these nations. Tekran is already segrageted and seperated from us. Big deal. But suddenly it is if a small group in our own 'country' is segregated from the 'larger' community of britain? Goths are less culturally different to me than muslims, but I don't care if they segregate themselves. It's their choice. You can force people to keep in your community. (Unless your american and fight a civil war to keep the south.)
Written by: meg
Is that what they really want to do? I thought they just wanted to get the western world to stop interfering in israel / the middle east / whereever they come from.
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade
I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.
Written by: Doc LightningWritten by: coleman
tell us what you think the 'right' course of action would have been in these circumstances.
1) Find them
2) Temporarily ban gels and liquids if they were still concerned
3) DO NOT cancel significant percentages of flights, or all carry-on baggage
4) DO NOT run around screaming that it's going to happen definately to the flying public.
Written by: Doc LightningWritten by: coleman
1) they found no explosives because the security measures were totally successful in making an attack on an inflight airliner impossible
2) no planes went down because the security checks made it impossible for anyone to get a bomb onboard so no-one bothered to try
Incorrect. 1) They found no explosives because the people planning to attack the airliners had been arrested. 2) No planes went down because the people planning to do so were in jail. 3) And anyone who hadn't been caught knew the gig was up.
Written by: Doc LightningWritten by: coleman
as long as the airport security goes back to a similar level to that previous to last thursday, i'm happy with the extra temporary security precautions.
That's just it. The head of security in the UK wanted to make the carry-on baggage ban permanent. They still haven't allowed gels and liquids on board. Jaykitty's girlfriend's brother wasn't allowed to bring on anti-itch cream for a rather severe case of poison ivy he had on a flight and so he had to sit there miserable. It'll be YEARS until they allow this again.
Written by: Doc LightningWritten by: coleman
i'm sorry mike, but i'm far more of the opinion that killing four thousand people would make a much bigger difference to our way of life than stopping the attack and putting up with some (perhaps overzealous) security precautions for a few days has.
I guess the fundamental difference between you and I is that I draw the line at "99.9999% without disrupting our way of life is safe for me" but you want 100%.
And I'll never be able to talk you out of it.
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
Written by: the tall skinny blonde dude with the funny accent
i think you want desperately to exhibit the 'carry on with life proudly' attitude (like the one touted by the tories throughout the ira's bombing campaign in the 80's and 90's).
that's a commendable attitude but it does not require that we make absolutely no concessions to make it a little more difficult for an attack to be carried out.
i think the main difference we have is that i don't think that our way of life is defined by how detailed the search is before you use an airliner and what you can and can't take on the plane with you whereas you seem to think it is of fundamental importance to our liberty and that it indicates a gradual slide toward totalitarianism/tyrrany.
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
Written by: mike
I never mentioned "totalitarianism/tyrrany" or anything like with respect to AIRPORT searches.
Written by: Doc Lightning
as long as people are willing to tolerate this sort of thing in the name of "safety" then our rights will continue to erode until we come to a point where you can be stopped on the street, searched, and dragged into custody without trial, perhaps even executed, all because someone thought you looked funny.
Written by: Doc Lightning
Every time one of these things happen they slowly chip away at our rights just a little more. In 50 years at this rate, our societies will resemble no police state to date; they'll be far more draconian. And the terrorists will still be able to figure ways around it.
Written by: Doc Lightning
Oh no, I stand by this one.
Suddenly in our country it's OK to hold people, even American Citizens, without trial, bond, or charges. It's OK to randomly search people in public spaces (the subway). It's OK for the government to keep track of who is checking out which books from the library.
None of this was OK on Sept. 10 2001. And every time something like this happens they come up with another "it's OK to..."
We'll talk about this in another 10 years, Cole. If talking is still OK then.
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
Written by: coleman
you have quite clearly, and on several occasions in this thread, directly related the additional temporary security measures in uk airports to our general rights to liberty within society and stated that you believe that it signals a slide towards complete erosion of liberty.
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you say: "I realize that the security regulations had nothing to do with security at all and had everything to do with pacifying and placating the flying public. And that's just disgusting."
i say: you realise nothing - you are assuming everything.
if you think that the flying public were 'pacified and placated' by these measures you are completely and totally mad sir!
the security had the opposite effect on most passengers.
'pacified and placated'?
more like 'frustrated and abiding'.
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
Written by: coleman
"TATP is a ridiculous explosive to try and take a plane down with"
well, it worked pretty well for taking out tubes and buses...
Written by: cole
as i said, everything other than esssential items were banned - that includes anything that might look like sugar (although you wouldn't want to carry round TATP like it were sugar anyway!).
Written by:
taking into account the amount of information that we don't know, which is pretty much 'all the precise details of this particular plan' added to 'all intelligence regarding related and non-related terrorist groups/plots', i prefer to reserve judgement rather than proclaim that it was all for naught.
"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
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