the best smiles are the ones you lead to
I was always scared with my mother's obsession with the good scissors. It made me wonder if there were evil scissors lurking in the house somewhere.
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and good with ketchup.
**giggles**
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
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the best smiles are the ones you lead to
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
the best smiles are the ones you lead to
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
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Written by: FireTom
Your scenario is an extreme. I will answer your question and request that you answer the questions I have directed to you (like your stance on death penalty)
Written by: FireTom
My answer to the specific scenario is "yes". He is undoubtedly identified, shot a child and is aiming at another..
...means than to shoot the attacker dead, it is justified.
Dave, what are you going for?
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
I was always scared with my mother's obsession with the good scissors. It made me wonder if there were evil scissors lurking in the house somewhere.
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and good with ketchup.
**giggles**
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Under Buddhist principals, it appears that using deadly force while protecting my family would be justified as long as my mindset is geared toward using that force to preserve the lives of myself and my family, rather than having a " I'm going to blow this [ censored ] away for having the audacity for entering my property"
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OK...I'll buy that...but I don't see any "negative" attitudes in any of OWD's posts when it comes to this topic. Buddhism allows for self defense, and I don't see the problem with wanting tools and skills to match those of a potential attacker…
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Buddha advised everyone to abstain from killing. If everybody accepts this advice, human beings would not kill each other. In the case where a person’s life is threatened, the Buddha says even then it is not advisable to kill out of self-protection. The weapon for self-protection is loving-kindness. One who practises this kindness very seldom comes across such misfortune.
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One of Buddha's sermons puts this very clearly with a powerful example that stresses the need to love your enemy no matter how cruelly he treats you:
Even if thieves carve you limb from limb with a double-handed saw, if you make your mind hostile you are not following my teaching. Kamcupamasutta, Majjhima-Nikkaya I ~ 28-29 Buddhism and war
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
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The legislation, passed by voice vote, was endorsed by the National Rifle Association, boosting its chances of becoming the first major gun control law in more than a decade.
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They immediately draw their weapon and fire several shots at the attacker, hitting him/her in the chest- the attacker is killed.
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Quite often, so-called self-defense is disguised aggression in which one’s real motive for the destruction of life is suppressed consciously or unconsciously by self-deceptive rationalization.
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The difference between violence and self-defense lies not merely in the external circumstances, but more significantly in one’s true motive. In this regard, Shakyamuni’s injunction to “kill the will to kill” reveals the profound Buddhist insight into the nature of violence. Behind the passionate emotions or seemingly sound rhetoric of self-defense is often hidden the “will to kill.”
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Violence arises from a will to harm, and self-defense from a will to protect although both employ physical force as a means. So it is necessary to look inward and see one’s true motive— whether it is solely to preserve life or to harm life. We become capable of self-defense with the ability of self-reflection, to which one of the greatest obstacles is an authoritarian orientation that looks outside for the motive of our action in order to escape personal responsibility.
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
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I don’t do hypotheticals, so I can’t answer for you. Buddhists don’t believe in right and wrong, good and evil. So the answer depends on your motivation. The Buddha taught that one’s present condition, whether of happiness or suffering, is the result of the accumulated force of all past actions or karma.
I’m not sure what people mean by 'Righteous shoot' is law enforcement/gun community slang for a legally and morally justified shoot?
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Written by: Colorado Springs Gazette
(edited)
On Sept. 5, 2004, Hill got into a fight with Knott’s girlfriend, Amanda Padilla, over a missing purse during a party at his house (...) Padilla admitted punching Hill before he got a rifle and ordered Padilla and her friend Alessandra Ash out of the house. The women returned with Knott and Ash’s boyfriend, Anthony Padilla. The four went to Hill’s basement room, where he was asleep, and Amanda Padilla admitting punching him again. She also admitted using brass knuckles, opening a gash in Hill’s head.
Amanda Padilla, who received limited immunity in exchange for her testimony, faces a charge of second-degree assault with a deadly weapon. Anthony Padilla faces a conspiracy charge after he allegedly gave Amanda Padilla the brass knuckles.
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When they left Hill’s house, Hill got a rifle, loaded it and fired once from the porch at the car Knott was sitting in. Knott crashed the car into a house and died of a gunshot wound to the back.
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“The fact that the group was not leaving and continued to engage Mr. Hill,” the foreman wrote in an e-mail to The Gazette, “led us to determine that it was reasonable for Mr. Hill to believe that the group of assailants might use physical force against him.” Hill, 24, was found not guilty in a Colorado Springs courtroom Dec. 14 of first-degree murder (...)
The foreman, who asked not to be identified because he feared for his family’s safety, said the way the Make My Day law is written made a guilty verdict impossible. “All four criteria for the use of deadly force against an intruder were met,” he wrote.
Not everyone sees it that way: The legislator who helped write the Make My Day law called the jury’s decision a miscarriage of justice, and in the days after the verdict there were calls to rewrite the law to require “imminent” danger before deadly force is justified.
Leaving the courthouse after the verdict last week, Knott’s sister, Tina, who gave only her first name, said Hill “got away with murder.” “I hope those jurors all rot in hell,” Knott’s mother, Sally Knott, said Friday. Others say the law worked exactly as it was supposed to. Hill’s family believes he was the victim and should never have been put on trial.
The verdict brought down a firestorm of criticism. Colorado’s Homeowners Protection Act, which allows people in their homes to defend themselves against an intruder with deadly force, was debated on national news programs. Bernie Herpin, president of the Pikes Peak Firearms Coalition, said the jury “incorrectly” used the Homeowner’s Protection Act. The Make My Day law “only applies if the intruder is in the dwelling,” Herpin said.
He and others said they are worried the verdict will create a backlash against the law.
“They might try to weaken what is a good law,” Herpin said. “It’s difficult to justify, in my mind, shooting someone if they’re leaving. You call the cops, get a gun and sit inside the house. “If he had shot inside the house, he would not have even been on trial,” Herpin said of Hill.
But the foreman warned that “the media and the public should remember that they do not have all the evidence. The jury did.” The foreman said those facts fit the Make My Day defense. “Although Mr. Knott was in his vehicle, there was no credible evidence that Mr. Knott was leaving,” the foreman wrote, adding that testimony showed some of the people were still outside a car yelling at Hill.
In an interview after the verdict, the foreman said the law offers no clear “line” where an intruder must be before deadly force can be used. A legislator who helped write the law, former state Sen. Jim Brandon, criticized the jury’s decision, saying the law applies to people inside a home defending themselves against intruders.
“In our mind, the door is the threshold — an illegal entry,” Brandon said last week. “With all due respect to Mr. Brandon,” the foreman responded, “if that is what lawmakers intended then that is what they should have written into the law.”
Chief Deputy District Attorney Elizabeth Kirkman said District Attorney John Newsome’s office supports the Make My Day law and respects the jury’s decision. “At the time he was shot, there was no imminent danger to the home dweller,” Kirkman said. “However, the way the Make My Day law is worded, it allows for deadly force if the shooter reasonably believes the other person might use physical force against the home dweller.”
Kirkman pointed out that 4th Judicial District Judge Robert Lowery twice refused to dismiss the charges under Make My Day. “If the Legislature looks at changing the elements of this law, one way to change it would be to add ‘imminent’ to the definition,” Kirkman said. But she added: “To change the law based on one case may not be the appropriate response.” Rep. Michael Merrifield, D-Manitou Springs, said he contacted the DA’s office with an offer to carry any “cleanup language” changes to the law but has not received a response.
A member of the House Judiciary Committee, Rep. Richard Decker, R-Fountain, said he hadn’t heard from anyone wanting to change the law. “If anything, this case strengthened that law,” Decker said. “This guy was outside the house.” Rep. Morgan Carroll, D-Aurora, said “the jurors probably did the best they could, but we may have handed people a sufficiently ambiguous law.” Carroll, who is also on the judiciary committee, said legislators might have to look at adding boundaries of “time, proximity and imminence.”
“There’s a fine line,” Carroll said, “between self-defense and vigilantism.”
CONTACT THE WRITER: 636-0110 or dennis.huspeni@gazette.com
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COLORADO’S HOMEOWNERS PROTECTION ACT
The text of Colorado’s Homeowners Protection Act (Colorado Revised Statute number 18-1-704.5 — Use of Deadly Physical Force Against An Intruder) — otherwise known as the Make My Day Law:
(1) The General Assembly hereby recognizes that the citizens of Colorado have a right to expect absolute safety within their own homes.
(2) Notwithstanding the provisions of section 18-1-704, any occupant of a dwelling is justified in using any degree of physical force, including deadly physical force, against another person when that other person has made an unlawful entry into the dwelling, and when the occupant has a reasonable belief that such other person has committed a crime in the dwelling in addition to the uninvited entry, or is committing or intends to commit a crime against a person or property in addition to the uninvited entry, and when the occupant reasonably believes that such other person might use any physical force, no matter how slight, against any occupant.
(3) Any occupant of a dwelling using physical force, including deadly physical force, in accordance with the provisions of subsection (2) of this section shall be immune from criminal prosecution for the use of such force.
(4) Any occupant of a dwelling using physical force, including deadly physical force, in accordance with the provisions of subsection (2) of this section shall be immune from any civil liability for injuries or death resulting from the use of such force.
the best smiles are the ones you lead to
the best smiles are the ones you lead to
Written by: FireTom
Moving fast again and I notice that you have not answered any of my questions, Dave. Neither whether you support the death penalty, nor on the scenario... (yes or no) Find me a bit disappointed about the style in which you participate here.
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..........request that you answer the questions I have directed to you (like your stance on death penalty)
I don't have a stance on the death penalty.
If only for the fact that the death penalty as we know it is inextricably tied up with the US justice system, which is well known to be flawed and which has repeatedly imprisoned people who were later found to be innocent.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
#homeofpoi -- irc.newnet.net Come talk to us we're bored
Warning: Please Do Not Jump On The Seals
the best smiles are the ones you lead to
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
Written by: Amnesty international
With new weapons that are lightweight and easy to fire, children are more easily armed, with less training than ever before. Worldwide, more than half a million children under-18 have been recruited into government armed forces, paramilitaries, civil militia and a wide variety of non-state armed groups in more than 85 countries. At any one time, more than 300,000 of these children are actively fighting as soldiers with government armed forces or armed political groups.
the best smiles are the ones you lead to
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
the best smiles are the ones you lead to
I was always scared with my mother's obsession with the good scissors. It made me wonder if there were evil scissors lurking in the house somewhere.
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and good with ketchup.
**giggles**
Written by: FireTom
OWD - I read your post but can not find a yes (pro) or no (against) - "not to have a stance" is a bit easy on such a topic. The death penalty is still running in a few countries other than the US... I'm asking, because some cases of self defence - and the treatment of the person who killed someone - sometimes equal death penalty.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
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Shaolin's Ch'an Buddhism is unlike any other Buddhist sect. Shaolin is the most well-known Ch'an school that incorporates martial training into its meditative regimen. Although martial training occupies a significant portion of our time and we enjoy it tremendously, the specific martial aspects of Shaolin are subordinate to Buddhist ideals. The "art" of our martial arts and the immediacy of combat provide the medium through which we strive to exist fully in the present - without planning for the future or reflecting upon the past. In this way, gung fu provides an ideal meditation and an excellent means for practicing Right Mindfulness.
One of the problems faced by many western historians is the supposed contraindication of Buddhist principles of non-violence coupled with Shaolin's legendary martial skills. In fact, the Shaolin practitioner is never an attacker, nor does he or she dispatch the most devastating defenses in any situation. Rather, the study of kung fu leads to better understanding of violence, and consequently how to avoid conflict.
Failing that, a Buddhist who refuses to accept an offering of violence (i.e., and attack) merely returns it to the sender. Initially, the kung fu expert may choose to parry an attack, but if an assailant is both skilled and determined to cause harm, a more definitive and concluding solution may be required, from a joint-lock hold to a knockout, to death. The more sophisticated and violent an assault, the more devastating the return of the attack to the attacker. Buddhists are not, therefore, hurting anyone; they merely refuse delivery of intended harm (shaolin.com)
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
the best smiles are the ones you lead to
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
the best smiles are the ones you lead to
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