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A couple of balls short of a full cascade... or maybe a few cards short of a deck... we'll see how this all fans out.
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Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
A couple of balls short of a full cascade... or maybe a few cards short of a deck... we'll see how this all fans out.
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
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Tom...does your view of not casting judgements also apply to those who live a predatory lifestyle ? ie "the wolves" . Are you OK with people victimizing others for profit ( or kicks ) ?
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Again, why do you think I want to go run around playing vigilante? I've said time after time, deadly force is a last resort. If it comes to that, you simply do not have time to wait for a police officer to come and save you. You would be dead if you didn't do something. Thats hardly a bunch of 'amateurs running around trying to help'. That is someone fighting to stay alive. You call that a recipe for disaster?
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Maybe I am making moral judgements, but you don't really see the full scope of the situation from where you sit across the pond. I never said any of those people 'deserve to die'. Nor did I say that I didn't have compassion or want to help the people who were physically unable to remove themselves from the threat. It was the people who didn't leave when they were told to, simply because they didn't feel like it that I don't have as *much* compassion for. Those are the same people cheating the system, yes, they are cheating the system, and they know full well.
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The traditional view of vigilantism is that when people see their governments as being ineffective in enforcing the law, they justify violent acts in order to bring about justice. "Vigilante justice" is usually spurred on by the perception that criminal punishment is insufficient to the crime, or nonexistent. Persons seen as escaping from the law, or "above the law" are generally the targets of vigilantism. Some vigilantes see ethics and moral laws as superior to governmental laws and may believe that the ends justify the means (wiki).
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how about if you own a gun your NEVER allowed to drink alcohol incase said gun is required whilst under the influence?
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
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Do piss tests give a reliable indication of a persons current state ? If I went to a party last week, and somebody in the room was smoking a joint, and I inhaled some second hand smoke, would I pass a piss test today ?
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so someones broken into the house... there is a noise behind, you turn and shoot, your child is now lying dead on the floor... if you didn't shoot, the robber has now killed you for hesitating...
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but as defense in a house? I just don't see the logic.
if for defense would it be easily accessible? say where a child could get it?
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safely locked away? where it could be impossible to get should you have an intruder?
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would you agree that there's a difference between yourself and someone who buys a pistol strictly for 2nd amendment purposes ? ie buying a gun as a weapon vs. buying one for fun.
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can I ask a question... is there a "gun profficiency" exam? like a driving test to decide if a person is capable of sensibly handling a gun? as something designed for killing I would have thought that some form of test would be in place, and not just accuracy but theory etc like police training.
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how about if you own a gun your NEVER allowed to drink alcohol incase said gun is required whilst under the influence?
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As much as it's healthy to me I will raise my voice against gun ownership and stand up against those who claim this to be the proper solution for conflicts and problems (of society).
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However, would you not support drug testing for someone who is applying for a license, say driving a dangerous goods lorry, or Greyhound bus, Metro train. I would certainly feel safer, if that pilot wouldn't have a record of cocaine abuse, wouldn't you?
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If you're a CCWP-holder you are entitled to carry your gun in public at any time. Now how about going out and getting f*cked over a few Vodka, maybe some spliffs. One thing leads to the other and whooops, one can't handle the situation just as straight as one used to. I would ask CCWP holders to undergo frequent mandatory drug screenings (incl. alcohol). You want to bear responsibility? Start with your self.
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Lurch, that’s great that you acknowledge that guns are dangerous. After all the time you spent telling me that guns are safe, at least we can agree on that.
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When you refuse to help fellow human beings, for whatever reason, you are saying they “deserve to die”. The reason you give for condemning them is they didn’t do what you wanted them to do, and in your opinion they were on welfare and cheating the system.
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kids getting their semi-automatic weapons at gun shows and their ammo at k-mart” was a reference to the Columbine massacre
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Damon Wells had a permit to carry his gun. A pair of teenagers approached him Saturday night on his front porch. One of the youths pulled a gun, Wells shot one of the boys multiple times in the chest, police said. Buford's accomplice disappeared after the shooting and had not been caught Monday night. Police took a .40-caliber Smith and Wesson firearm from Wells, the police report shows. Police found a .38-caliber handgun in the mail chute of a nearby house. Arthur Buford, 15, died. City prosecutors decided Monday that Wells, 25, was justified and would not be charged
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Of course guns are dangerous, thats why all I ask for is proper training and safety
Guns have the 'potential' to be dangerous. They're no more deadly than a chainsaw or a car. Dead is dead, you can't be 'more dead'
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The guns bought for Columbine were obtained illegally, the laws that are ALREADY in place were not enforced, and they slipped through. Making more laws isn't going to change it. There are less regulations on second hand vehicle sales, which cause thousands more deaths than guns. There are laws making it illegal to sell a gun to a criminal, do you want another law saying the same thing?
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Damon Wells had a permit to carry his gun. A pair of teenagers approached him Saturday night on his front porch. One of the youths pulled a gun, Wells shot one of the boys multiple times in the chest, police said. Buford's accomplice disappeared after the shooting and had not been caught Monday night. Police took a .40-caliber Smith and Wesson firearm from Wells, the police report shows. Police found a .38-caliber handgun in the mail chute of a nearby house. Arthur Buford, 15, died. City prosecutors decided Monday that Wells, 25, was justified and would not be charged
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Still sounds like a perfectly legal and justified use of deadly force. Would you really want to take the chance that the badguy won't shoot you?
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
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Maybe if you got the idea out of your head that we all have guns on us, or even in our homes. Most people will never be on the other end of a gun. Most owners are responsible
We aren't cowboys. Most of the country isn't dangerous. Even here, gun crime has gone down.
You just show what bias you have that is not founded in realtiy and is just a misperception.
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
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We aren't cowboys. Most of the country isn't dangerous. Even here, gun crime has gone down.
You just show what bias you have that is not founded in realtiy and is just a misperception
A couple of balls short of a full cascade... or maybe a few cards short of a deck... we'll see how this all fans out.
the best smiles are the ones you lead to
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
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Responsible owners do not want to use their weapon in self-defense.
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What happens when it expands further into a positive result in a government conducted drug test morphs into an automatic conviction for possession ?
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Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
the best smiles are the ones you lead to
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
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have a sneaking suspicion that id I were to compare the number of people killed/injured in motorcycle accidents to the number of people killed/injured in an alternative mode of transportation like say...a transit bus
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You don't figure there's a higher chance that you may kill someone while riding a motorcycle as opposed to riding the bus ?
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Aside, this summer, we've had an unusually high incidence of experienced motorcycle riders involving themselves in single vehicle accidents where speed and a loss of control art the culprits. All guys in their 40s....weird
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
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Orlando, Fla. (CNSNews.com) - Citing a "frustrating absence of reliable, relevant information" for average citizens who want to know how to respond to terrorist threats, National Rifle Association (NRA) Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre announced Friday the creation of a new website devoted to "news, information and 'connectedness.'" The NRA has teamed with Survival, Inc., headed by Rick Stewart - a former Survival Evasion Resistance and Escape trainer for the U.S. Air Force. Stewart has provided nuclear, biological and chemical weapons response training to the U.S. military, the CIA, NASA and the U.S. Navy's elite SEAL teams, 2003.
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
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A weapon is an instrument of any kind, (as a club, knife, or gun ) used to injure, defeat, kill, or destroy; or in warfare or combat to attack and overcome an enemy. So we are talking assault and concealed weapons here.
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Many federally licensed gun dealers sell guns illegally.
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Lurch while it sounds like a perfectly legal and justified use of deadly force to you. To me it sounds like a gunfight. Most gunfights are portrayed in films or books as having two men square off, waiting for one to make the first move. This was rarely the case. Often, a gunfight was spur-of-the-moment, with one drawing their pistol, and the other reacting.
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The more I dig into this, the more I'm convinced that gun laws are more of a state to state thing rather than being applicable to the US as a whole and if I were to immigrate to the US , I'm currently under the impression that, were I to make gun laws my # 1 criteria for selecting a state to live in, I'd have the option of picking one that fits my particular views.
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So, is it necessary to carry concealed weapons, allow assault weapons like AKs and Uzi’s on to the street for self defense, and permit people to justifiably use of deadly force (kill) other good citizens?
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do you have a link to show the reduction in gun crime because I haven't been able to find anything that says US gun crime is on the decrease.
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Second hand and gun show sales are PERFECTLY LEGAL!
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4) Drug testing on CCWP - one decides to apply for a permit and therefore take on heightened responsibility for the safety of your fellow citizens. As with police, politicians and judges, one should be ready to pay the price for it and stay sober (in your judgement). A judge appearing drunk in court, a cop high on crack, or a politician on cocaine somehow is not whidely accepted in society - same should apply to CCWP holders.
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7) Safe storage - ppl barely buy a headset for their mobiles (2$), even if they drive Mercs. A gun safe (link) costs between 50 and 100 times more.
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8) Responsibile citizens - we are human, as such designed *not* to be perfect. IF all gun owners would act as responsible as you claim, not even a tenth of the accidents would occur. Reality is proving your ridiculous argument wrong.
Stop posting lies and fairy tales! Wake up to reality!
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9) Buford - yes, it *might* sound like a "justified use of deadly force" (even though I doubt that "several shots to the chest" were *needed* to stop this amok driven 14 yr teenage menace[/sarcasm]).
Point being that his accomplice is now charged with MURDER (you know I am talking about that other teenage boy who didn't even fire a single shot, but ran) and another point being:
IF A DEDICATED CRIMINAL HAS HIS GUN ALREADY PULLED AT YOU - CHANCES ARE VERY HIGH YOU GET SHOT BEFORE YOU CAN REACH YOUR GUN! This is not "High Noon" or any other glorified Hollywood production in which the NRA despotes seem to live - this is R.E.A.L.I.T.Y.
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Avoid a conflict! Keep your money in the bank and an alarm system in the house, if you have valuables to protect. Stay in your bedroom if a burglar is in the house, call the cops. If your childs bedroom is at the other end of the castle, like in the "west wing" - install a domestic phone and tell it to lock it's door, but stay in your room...
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Just because it's in your body, doesn't mean that you were actively in possession at any time.
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VT and other school shootings, the number of gun victimisation/ accidents - all this simply is collateral damage for their individual right to bear arms. They claim that the current legislation is sufficient and if existing laws would only get enforced there would be even less than no problem.
This is denial to the extent of outright lies and a slap in the face of the victims families (to come).
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