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Written by: Lurch
There are really two determining factors there FireTom. First off, is the person purchasing the fire arm legally allowed to do so, if not, they are committing a felony by buying said firearm. Plain and simple. Secondly, does the person selling the weapon *know* that the other person is illegal? If they do, then they too, are also committing a crime, and making the gun sale illegal. Now you say 'well what if they got someone to buy the gun for them!?' Well that would be a straw purchase, which is not only a crime, it's a federal crime, so you go to federal PMITA prison for that one. Furthermore, if the seller knows that it is a straw purchase, they are also breaking the law.
You see how that works? Illegal on all 4 fronts
Written by: Lurch
The Damon Wells case for instance, is not offensive, but defensive, as he is the one reacting to the initial threat, and he is cornered on a his front porch with a most likely locked door (as he was just coming home) and armed teens on the other, but as you've pointed out we don't have *all* the details.
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There are federal laws governing sale of guns for business, and those people have to be licensed, and must do background checks for every weapon sold. Whether that's from their storefront, their living room, or a table at a gunshow, background checks are mandatory. It's the only product in American that requires federal approval to purchase.
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Does a man selling a hunting rifle to his brother in law need to go through the background check process?
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You really need to think about what you're asking. To say 'it's a gun, it's different' to distinguish it from any other property is only asking for trouble in the future, because soon it will become "It's okay for guns, it should be okay for"
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What? Why are you stuck on AK's and Uzi's so much?
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Between 1992 through 1998 (the last six years for which data exists), the violent crime rate in the strict and no-issue states fell 30% while the violent crime rate for states that liberalized carry laws prior to 1992 dropped half as much — by 15%. Nationally, the violent crime rate fell 25%.
Additionally, the robbery rate also fell faster in states with strict carry laws. Our analysis found that between 1992 and 1998, the robbery rate in strict and no issue states fell 44% while the robbery rate for the states that liberalized carry laws prior to 1992 dropped 24%. Nationally, the robbery rate fell 37%.
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
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Lurch the NRA could be a powerful force to help prevent another Columbine, but instead they put AK’s and Uzi’s back on the street. The problem is there is no commitment to doing anything to enforce federal gun laws. In fact, the NRA hinders any federal move to reduce gun violence. Because as we all know; there is only one gun law in America, and that law is “the right to bear arms”. Unfortunately, under the present state arrangements this means having no responsibility for the consequences of bearing such arms.
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Guns are bad when they are used for law enforcement, by unconstitutional militia and vigilantes. I think there is a case for federal gun control regulations Clearly the idea of separatism you and the NRA propose for the states is leading to more violence, if not another another “civil war”. And why not a federal firearm laws? After all, America has a National Rifleman’s Association, so why not national firearms laws under a federal government?
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Kleck suggests, in America there are 2.5 million gunfights every year or about 6,850 gunfights a day.
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Sorry, I don’t consider an AK to be a “sporting” rifle; semi automatic or not. I can understand an old shotgun on the wall over the fireplace, but not a AK.
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THE RIGHT TO CARRY CONCEALED WEAPONS FOR SELF-DEFENSE
Handguns are the weapons with the most utility for self-defense. American citizens use handguns in lawful self-defense between 1.5 to 1.9 million times [Page 178] a year, while all firearms are used in self-defense between 2.2 to 2.5 million times a year.[202] Felony victims who resist by means of firearms are significantly less likely to be killed or injured than those who do not resist.[203] Other methods of self-defense are of extremely dubious value.[204] Felony victims who resist by means other than firearms are in fact more likely to be killed or injured than those who do not resist at all.[205] The fact that handguns are used far more often in self-defense than other firearms indicates that they have far more utility for self-defense than other firearms. Certainly, they are much more practical to carry for defensive purposes than are long guns. The fact that resistance with firearms is the only method of resistance which improves the victim's chances of escaping unharmed indicates that the right to self-defense as a matter of necessity must include the right to carry firearms. As Florida's experience shows, there is considerable social utility in allowing honest citizens to carry handguns to defend themselves. It results in the commission of fewer murders and rapes than would otherwise occur. By contrast, the District of Columbia's experience proves that banning possession (let alone carrying) of handguns by honest citizens results in more murders and rapes than would otherwise occur. The effectiveness of handguns for purposes of self-defense, and the fact that "gun control" laws (such as laws forbidding carrying concealed weapons) actually increase crime proves that Justice Louis Brandeis was right when he said, "We shall have lost something vital and beyond price on the day when the state denies us the right to resort to force in defense of a just cause."[206]
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The right to carry weapons for self-defense is particularly important because courts have repeatedly held that police departments exist to prevent crime in general but have no duty to prevent any specific crime or protect any specific person, no matter how clear and present the danger faced by that person. [210] If the state will not accept responsibility to defend its citizens, citizens need the right to possess and carry weapons to defend themselves. Even if a state were to accept responsibility to make reasonable efforts to defend citizens from criminal assault, the "thin blue line" of police protection is wafer-thin. The vast majority of criminal assaults are completed within a few minutes of their inception.[211] It is extremely unrealistic to think that the victim could manage to get to a phone, call the police, and expect to see an officer arrive while the offense is still in progress. Although anti-gun politicians have strong-armed several police organizations into publicly opposing right-to-carry bills and actually forbidden police officers to publicly support right-to-carry bills,[212] most police officers recognize the fundamental futility of relying solely on police protection from criminal assault.[213] Seventy-six percent of police managers and street officers believe that concealed weapon permits should be issued to every trained and responsible adult applicant.[214] Many police officers would not let their wives or girlfriends out on their own without a gun.[215] Especially the members of the "thin blue line" recognize just how thin that blue line really is.
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Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
Written by: ]166.173 Authority of city or county to regulate possession of loaded firearms in public places. (1) A city or county may adopt ordinances to regulate, restrict or prohibit the possession of loaded firearms in public places as defined in ORS 161.015.
(2) Ordinances adopted under subsection (1) of this section do not apply to or affect:
(a) A law enforcement officer in the performance of official duty.
(b) A member of the military in the performance of official duty.
(c) A person licensed to carry a concealed handgun.
(d) A person authorized to possess a loaded firearm while in or on a public building or court facility under ORS 166.370. [1995 s.s. c.1 §4; 1999 c.782 §8
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Don't say there is "only one gun law" in America when you clearly know otherwise. I'm not going to …………say you're a liar, but I've been saying this whole time that we need more enforcement of our current laws, not more laws. You also seem to agree that we need more enforcement, but want more laws on top of that. If we can barely manage the manpower to use the laws we already have, how is making more going to help?
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That is what the second video I posted was about Stout. They wanted to push a law requiring an owner to report a lost/stolen gun within 48 hours. ……They wasted the money and passed the law anyways, because it helps to advance their political careers.
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The San Francisco gun ban would have prohibited law-abiding city residents from purchasing firearms - rifles, shotguns and handguns - for any lawful reason, whether for self-defense, hunting or recreational shooting. In addition, current law-abiding gun owners would have to surrender their registered handguns to the police.
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Mostly I would say it is on principal. They oppose useless gun laws. It's a "feel good" law that doesn't do anything at all. Why would anyone want to endorse useless legislation? To say it "saves lives" is just fooling yourself.
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There is a fundamental problem with removing weapons from the public. That puts a forced reliance for protection on Law Enforcement. The same law enforcement which has been found by the courts to have no duty whatsoever to actually protect you.
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If a lawfully armed civilian had ended the killing spree at 31 instead of 32 it would have been worth it.
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You're trying to twist my words…………...
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So crime has been dropping, while more and more states are allowing their citizens to carry weapons. Wouldn't that be contradictory to what you're saying?
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We don't want federal laws. Gun laws have nothing to do with the federal government, they are up to the individual state to decide. Our country is set up different than yours, and we like how it's done. We are the United States of America, you can think of each state as a separate nation if you'd prefer. They have the right to choose their own rules, and don't like it so much when the federal government tries to tell them otherwise.
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The California State Senate will vote soon on the Crime Gun Identification Act of 2007 (AB 1471). This crime-fighting legislation will help law enforcement solve gun crimes and reduce gun trafficking.
AB 1471 would require new models of semi-automatic handguns be equipped with "microstamping", a technology that allows police to match bullet shells found at a crime scene to the handgun that fired the bullets
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
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My nunchucks vital statictics
weight: 500g
handle lenght: 16 inches
chain length: 2 inches
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Each state has it's own laws because each state is different. The populations are different. The cultures are different. The terrain is different. The climate is different. The animals are different. I'm not a rancher needing to get rid of a problem animal, but I may be a deer hunter. Or I may live in an area that I feel the need for a gun as protection. Each state has it's own needs. We have many things that are state regulated.
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
Faith
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Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
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"Lurch the NRA could be a powerful force to help prevent another Columbine, but instead they put AK’s and Uzi’s back on the street"
This is reactionary and mostly untrue. The majority of weapons are handguns and shotguns/rifles. They are either used for protection or sportmanship. The higher percentage are not buying assault weapons. Most people are not hurt by those types of weapons. It's ridiculous and pointless to keep bringing up those weapons like assault rifles are being carried all over our streets.
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Written by: HOORAY, QUOTE YOUR SOURCES!!!!https://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/aug/10/free_gun_lock_program_faces_funding_challenge/
Since the program began in 2002, more than 220,000 locks have been distributed by roughly 300 agencies statewide. Nationwide, 35 million locks have been distributed, said Shari LeGate of Project Childsafe.
Funding for the national program has decreased nearly every year since 2002, when it had a $5 million budget, LeGate said. In 2006-07, the funding was cut to $912,000, a $4 million decrease from the previous year’s budget.
This year Project Childsafe has received 560,000 gun lock requests nationwide and has been able to fulfill only about half of those, LeGate said.
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The violent crime category includes murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault offenses. Nationally, preliminary data for 2005 showed increases in three of the four violent crimes from the previous year’s data. (...)
A breakdown of the 2005 data by population group revealed that all city population groups experienced increases in violent crime when compared with those data reported for the previous year, with the exception of the Nation’s largest cities, 1 million and over in population, where the number of violent crimes was down 0.4 percent. (...)
The Nation’s four regions all saw increases in violent crime in 2005.
Written by: Faith
Microstamping seems like a good idea in theory, but I can already think of problems with it.
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The California State Senate passed the Crime Gun Identification Act of 2007 (AB 1471) to require new models of semi-automatic handguns be equipped with "microstamping" technology that allows police to match bullet shells found at a crime scene to the handgun that fired the bullets.
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A new Missouri law that eliminated a time-consuming permit process has fueled a surge in handgun sales across the St. Louis area. But perhaps the biggest driver is that gun buyers have generally known about the impending change since it was passed by lawmakers earlier this year as part of the so-called Castle Doctrine legislation. That prompted many prospective buyers to put off purchases until now.
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In November 2006 the law was expanded substantially, to give a presumption of reasonable fear of death or great bodily harm from a person who had unlawfully entered or was in the process of unlawfully entering a dwelling, residence or vehicle. This expanded the circumstances in which deadly force could be used, and shifted the burden to the state to prove, beyond a resonable doubt, that you were not in fear of death before they could convict you for shooting a home invader (basically an impossible burden of proof for the state to meet if you keep your mouth shut, unless you manage to tie the guy up before you shoot him.
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Methamphetamine, the biggest drug threat to the state of Oklahoma, is available throughout Oklahoma, and its abuse is uptrending. Violence associated with the production, distribution, and abuse of meth poses a significant threat to the safety of Oklahoma's residents. Meth production is increasing in the state of Oklahoma, and lab seizures increased dramatically from the year of 1995 through 2001.
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In the U.S., the War on Drugs is causing a prison overcrowding problem. In 1996, 59.6% of prisoners were drug-related criminals. U.S. population grew by about +25% from 1980 to 2000. In that same 20 year time period, U.S. prison population tripled. To make room in prison for incoming drug users and dealers, all inmates, including violent criminals are having their sentences shortened or are being paroled early.
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh