Written by: me
I've been polishing the journal paper over the last few weeks fiddling with images and getting the words just right. I just went to submit the journal online and in the manuscript centre there are a lot of declarations about the content of the paper, the last one is
"I understand it is the policy of the IEEE Computer Society that all of the individuals listed as authors on this submission MUST have made a significant technical contribution to this paper."
I didn't realise that this was the case; I had assumed that it was customary for PhD students to put their supervisors name on the paper. Having read this I feel a bit uncomfortable about putting your name on the paper and declaring that you have made a significant technical contribution, as I don't feel that I can point to any part of the paper and say that is where your contribution to the technical aspect of the paper is. What are your thoughts on this?
Cheers
Ben
Written by: him
Hi Ben,
Supervisors normally do not work on their PhD students' projects as these are the students' projects. The contributions of the supervisors normally come indirectly from project planning, guiding, meeting, discussing, reading and commenting the drafts, and so on. I believe I do have contributed to your PhD project in the past few years even though not technically working on any part of the programming.
It is not customary as you mentioned for PhD students to put their supervisors name on the paper but to appreciate the supervisors' direct or indirect contributions to their PhD studies. Please let me know your thoughts again no matter you agree or not. If you agree but the last question of IEEE journal still bothers your, you may choose to submit toanother journal.
Written by: me
I would like to publish with the IEEE due to their reputation of being a journal of very high quality, particularly in PAMI as this is where
several landmark papers such as the canny edge detector where first published.
I agree that you have contributed to my project throught the mentoring process.
"but to appreciate the supervisors' direct or indirect contributions to their PhD studies."
I believe that the IEEE intends for assistence that does not contribute to the theory presented in the paper to be put in the acknowledgements section of the paper. I think in most cases that although supervisors do not work on the project they define the project based on an initial theory they have or provide strong guidance to the technical development of the theory.
I feel im in a bit of an impossible situation as i dont want to upset you by not putting your name of the paper, i also want to publish in PAMI but i dont like the idea of making a declaration regarding the content of the paper which i dont feel is true regarding to the journals criteria.
Cheers
Ben
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Written by: Rozi
Can you be 100% sure? Is there some academically recognised approach where you are able to give acknowledgements? And may this be what he is referring to? (this was my initial understanding of what you wrote and quoted).
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I believe that the IEEE intends for assistence that does not contribute to the theory presented in the paper to be put in the acknowledgements section of the paper.
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Written by: coleman
could you have written the paper without this bloke being around for the last 6 years (notwithstanding that if he wasn't there, someone else would be)?
Written by: mo-seph
I wouldn't worry particularly about the IEEE's stipulation - but then I tend to not care about things like that. They're unlikely to bust you on it or anything. I think you should decide what's reasonable for you.
It comes across (and I might be reading things that aren't there) that you don't really want the guys name on this, and the clause is a means to an end? Is that fair?
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Written by: ben-ja-men
by the time the paper is published i will have moved on from the university and im worried he will get alot of questions he cant answer as a result. i know that he gets the general gist of what im doing but he doesnt understand the details at all.
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Written by: ben-ja-men
i wrote
I didn't realise that this was the case; I had assumed that it was customary for PhD students to put their supervisors name on the paper.
he wrote
it is not customary as you mentioned for PhD students to put their supervisors name on the paper but to appreciate the supervisors' direct or indirect contributions to their PhD studies.
i think that he left out a not between students and to
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Written by: newgabe
I don't really see the propblem here Ben. Your supervisor has said is is *not* customary (ie you don't have to and he doesn't expect it). But an acknowledgement would be nice somewhere...fair enough.
It seems that (by assuming he has 'forgotten' to insert a *not*) you WANT him to be in conflict with you (the doctor suggests you may be projecting your anger at his lack of understanding/ability to actually help you despite his 'superior' status...???)
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Written by: coleman
this may well seem like a moral dilemma but i think the begging question should have been "is it wrong to exclude his name from the paper?" rather than "is it right to include it?"
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Authorship
In recognition that your supervisors contribute to the development of
your research by providing direction and guidance and by contributing ideas,
it is normally appropriate that they be named as co-authors in publications
providing that each has met all of the following conditions:
(i) conception and design, or analysis and interpretation of data;
(ii) drafting the article or revising it critically for important intellectual content; and
(iii) final approval of the version to be published.
Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourself, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous and talented? Who are you NOT to be?
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourself, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous and talented? Who are you NOT to be?