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entheogen
GOLD Member since Mar 2005

entheogen

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Posted:I was just wondering what you guys mean by having a move.


Dos that mean for you: you got it got it or you got the concept.

I definitly do a big distinction between those two .

im a contact staffer, so i more and less speak about contact moves

Having a move takes me f..k years.

I caught me on training the same trick since three years.
And I do train nearly every day for hours an hours.

Getting the concept of somthing is sweet, playing around :
o cool i got the cont. matrix three times today.
Makes you feel good but does it bring anything (except fun)?

I decided to call a trick done
when i can do 10 Sets of 20 repitions whithout correcting, dropping, with awareness of the body!! ...

that means i nearly dont have anything
but well it keeps me working more and less freaking around
even i love too do it

what do you guys think ?


'There are two mantras in life, yum and yuk. I choose yum.'

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mcp
PLATINUM Member since May 2003

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Posted:Well for me, having a move 'solid' used to mean not having to think about it, that it would just happen while I was playing.

After having to make a routine and do performances... I don't know anymore.


"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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ado-p
GOLD Member since May 2004

ado-p

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Posted:i feel like i have a move when i can do it on cue, without having to think it through... and land it every time...

like my figure of eight is solid as a rock...

my reverse fishtails on my right hand are solid


Love is the law.

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Richee
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Posted:
It can be similar here I see:

- Foreward
- Backward
- Turn left
- Turn right

love,

:R


POI THEO(R)IST

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Mynci
BRONZE Member since Apr 2005

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Posted:i agree

I can do a jesus 99 times out of 100 off my right hand but only 1 in 3 off my left.
continuous conveyor off both hands i can do without thinking... oh and off topic 3 ball cascade i can do blindfolded biggrin so i think i have that trick

I think "having a move down" is a hard thing to pin down.
being "able to do a move" is also a bone on here somewhat I ask strugz then how many times in a row without messing then when I can do it he always ups it, cheeky bugger rolleyes


A couple of balls short of a full cascade... or maybe a few cards short of a deck... we'll see how this all fans out.

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entheogen
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Posted:Is it even possible to 'have' a contact move perfectly? I feel more realistically any single move can be infinitely perfected. Faster, slower, softer, smaller body movements, etc.

Maybe the more important question is, how clean does a contact stick move have to be to look impressive (meaning to a non contact stick playing audience member)?


'There are two mantras in life, yum and yuk. I choose yum.'

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TotalEclipse
GOLD Member since Aug 2006

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Posted:I count myself as having a move when I can do it 20 times on a loop with no mistakes, and can transition to and from it from every other position that it is possible to do so.

I count myself as being good at a move when I can do it 60 times without error or pause, complete with error-free transitions and integrations into a routine. That applies to staff, poi, whatever...

but maybe thats just me smile


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simian

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Posted:What, you make a mistake on the 61st iteration and you still think you're "good" at a move??!??

pfft, i dunno. These amateurs and their low standards...

wink tongue


"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."

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entheogen
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Posted:Er, well, from the standpoint of the most professional jugglers I know, you don't even HAVE a move unless you can do 200 throws each time you try, including on a bad day. So I suppose being 'good' at a move would be the 200 iterations while simultaneously poncing about, or without looking?

'There are two mantras in life, yum and yuk. I choose yum.'

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entheogen
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Posted:Oh wait, that would mean Im not good at anything ubbcrying

'There are two mantras in life, yum and yuk. I choose yum.'

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TotalEclipse
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Posted: Written by: simian


What, you make a mistake on the 61st iteration and you still think you're "good" at a move??!??

pfft, i dunno. These amateurs and their low standards...

wink tongue



wink to my mind you are never going to end up doing more than 60 of one move in a row, for fear of boring your audience! Much more for the perfect transition, the executed move, and the next transition. The 60 is just something I use when I practise a move smile

you pros and your pedantic outlook biggrin


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Pyrolific
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Posted:You havent got a move if you cant pull it off everytime, in the wind in front of an audience.

I dont have any moves smile

Josh


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Dentrassi
GOLD Member since Apr 2003

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Posted:it is not the move that counts, but the dance...

ubbrollsmile


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strugz
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Posted:man this thread is moving into that meditate "there are no moves, there is no stick" meditate twaddle......... if there were no moves, there would be no movement, therefore you may as well just watch a piece of concrete for insperation wink

Hippies ubbloco wink

But to be fair you all i do agree slightly........ there is no specific move (families id go with) ie. a static move has a name, but its the move its come from and going too which is everchanging, meaning you can never really have a move solid......... you can only improve your flow and general control.........

actually, thats what you saying isnt it......... rolleyes ubblol

*wanders off to find a tree to hug*


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Posted:sometimes, i consider i've "got" a move even though i can't "do" it, because i've worked out what it is i have to do.

there's an infinite progression in pretty much any discipline based on physical movement. Just ask Jonathan Livingston Seagull.

Why bother prescribing some random number of iterations?

if i'm copying someone else's movement, i usually end up feeling like i've never quite got it, because the way i do it is never exactly the same.

"it is not the move that counts, but the dance"
eg: its not what you do with the stick, but what you do with your ass?
maybe if i was a stripper.
But i'm not.
i'm NOT!
Stop putting money down my pants!


"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."

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mcp
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Posted: Written by: simian


Stop putting money down my pants!



I thought your pants were a Bank Deposit box? They aren't? Oh I'm sorry.


"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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