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mcp
mcp

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Posted:yay! A thread on Anti-Spin weaves!

So I was just thinking about them. Simian can probably think better about them, but I was bored so I posted this.

(I think) the default anti-spin weave is the anti-spinised equivalent of doing constantly translated isolations. ie: you're just isolating in one direction in front of you, doing the normal one bit iso, and constantly translating the staffs. (changing the ends that are 'together')

Sometimes my anti-spin weave has a few extra beats in it, as if you were folding the staffs under your arms in the 'non-anti-spin' version of the weave.

So after a comment by ben, I thought about the other obvious variations on anti-spinning isolations:

Anti-spinning the 'giant' staff created by the isolation. (very difficult, unless you have small sticks / huge arms.)

Anti-spinning just one of the staffs and getting the other to follow it. (Kinda weird feeling, not sure if it's visually effective yet.)

Moving the center of the isolation in a circle and anti-spinning on that.

Anti-spinning both of them and just having a quarter / half rotation of isolation in the 'middle' of the movement.

oh wait, I think the caffiene just ran out.

Questions: What about butterfly?


"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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coleman
coleman

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Posted: Written by: me, yesterday



if the pattern is flat to an outside observer (i.e. it like this ++) and you do it in the same plane, but describe the crosses in the order of an infinity sign, to maintain antispin motion, you would have to reverse the direction of the stick's spin on the middle horizontals.





 Written by: me, again yesterday



tracing an infinity sign with your hand would mean mean that you travel round one half of the pattern clockwise and the other anticlockwise.



unless you reverse the direction of spin of the stick as you go from one side of the infinity pattern to the other, one half will be spin and the other antispin, no?





i knew i knew what i was going on about wink



grouphug





cole. x


"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood

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mcp
mcp

Flying Water Muppet
Location: Edin-borrow.
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Posted:simian: I am at work y'know. all of this is naughty.

not what my hands do:

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"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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simian
simian

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Posted:edit: meg is far too quick for me.



Meg, howzabout different colour for each wick trail smile

EDITED_BY: simian (1154080843)


"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."

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mcp
mcp

Flying Water Muppet
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Posted:dude! ... yeah okay on the next batch.

what I meant in my third post:


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with hands;


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with wicks:


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"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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mcp
mcp

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Posted:oh yeah, it would more rocking if you did it twice with the second one upside down, so the two become a sort of bow tie pattern. Or did it with doubles in the same style.

"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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ado-p
ado-p

Pirate Ninja
Location: Galway/Ireland
Member Since: 13th May 2004
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Posted:Guys i want to print this thread but i dont want a 9mb file... which is what it works out as

any ideas? I've tried a few things like bringing it into word or excel and removing the colums i dont want but as there are some pics i DO want i cant, say, bring it into notepad to filter out everything except the text...


Love is the law.

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coleman
coleman

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Posted:aiden - pm me your email address and i'll send you a pdf of the thread (1.1mb) hug


cole. x


"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
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mcp
mcp

Flying Water Muppet
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Posted:round 2...

expanded anti-spin


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with hands:


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with wicks:



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anti-spin to isolation:


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with hands (this is an infinity sign, not two circles.)


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with wicks:



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"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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mcp
mcp

Flying Water Muppet
Location: Edin-borrow.
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Posted:antispin oval doubled up




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with hands:


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with wicks:




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halftime (?) 2:1 (?) anti-spin things.






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with hands:






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with wicks:






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"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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simian
simian

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Posted:whoo! clap
i also request pentagon pleeeeeeeeeeease
:blinks big puppydog eyes at miss meg: rolleyes


"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."

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coleman
coleman

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Posted: Written by: simian


whoo! clap
i also request pentagon pleeeeeeeeeeease
:blinks big puppydog eyes at miss meg: rolleyes



bounce2

and i request the equivalent inverse hand patterns for those patterns that can be done please ubbangel

(or just the stick image file so i can do them meself wink )


cole. x


"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood

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mcp
mcp

Flying Water Muppet
Location: Edin-borrow.
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Posted:let me quickly tell you how to make the stick.

Get linux.

Install Inkscape.

Make a black box, copy it.

Make a thinner longer outlined box. Copy it.

Make a thinner longer handle box.

make a very thin very long stick box.

Arrange as appropriate.

Add a small red box for the center line.

Colour code your wicks if you want.

pentagon, triangle and other gon's to follow at about 5-6pm.


"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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coleman
coleman

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Posted:cheers meg hug

to be completely honest, i have illustrator cs2 sitting right here and can actually use it a bit too - i'm just lazy redface wink

i did a few of these yesterday (to make sure i wasn't talkiing crap) but just rough with a half red/half blue line - yours are muuuuuch prettier.


cole. x


"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood

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mcp
mcp

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Posted:I can send you the svg then if ya want. illustrator should be able to import svg... confused

"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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simian
simian

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Posted:i use corel instead, because constant blue screen of death keeps my life a bit more interesting, and reminds me to save often.

"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."

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coleman
coleman

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Posted:oooh, get you with your special xml-based vector image files wink



er, what i meant to say was: yes, illustrator can definitely read svg files and yes please, can i be really lazy and get the stick file off you thank-you please...



hug



simon - corel does indeed suck ass.

maybe you should ask me to make you a cd next time i see you... ubbidea





cole. x


"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood

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mcp
mcp

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Posted:I don't suppose I could inquire after a copy of a certain well known video editing program by a certain big software company previously mentioned?

I sent it to you g-mail cole.


"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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coleman
coleman

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Posted:i don't know what you're talking about.
in fact, who is this...?
prank call, prank call!
*hangs up*

wink


cole. x


"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood

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mcp
mcp

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Posted:sort your life out mr! tongue

"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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strugz
strugz

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Location: Southampton - Possibly...
Member Since: 6th Mar 2002
Total posts: 3964
Posted:i so didnt undertand this thead & had a problem visualising.....



those pictues now have opend my eyes muchly.. biggrin



i thought i had antispin almost down, but it seems not - so many patterns to play with! i now have a whole new level of doubles to learn YAY! thanks for being really smart geeky people ubbrollsmile



When i grow up i want to be like you biggrin wink



Meg - hug for the visual enlightenment - see you tomorrow!


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mcp
mcp

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Posted:
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exploded pentagon:




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"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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Posted:
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"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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Cantus
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Posted:Mint Sauce shouts at me for doing hexagons and pentagons *sulk* He says i have to do stupid diamonds... just cos simian does diamonds...I don't know why he doesn't just marry Simian if he loves him so much....

"I'll carry this....It's harder to spill a hat" - Chellybean
"...like a rabbit caught in a lighthouse?" - Chellybean

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mcp
mcp

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Posted:So I was thinking about this on the train down to leeds.

The box anti-spin. The staff makes a box, or the hands follow the path of a box, or the wicks can follow the path of a box. (I don't think I've posted a picture of that one yet.) I think the box anti-spin I posted is more like a box isolation. and the wicks following the path of a box is also a form of box isolation. (Cos I can't figure out in my head how to anti-spin my arm in relation to the box.)

triangle should work out the same way:

anti-spin: your hands following a triangle.
anti-spin: the wicks following a Y / fluz capacitor line shape.
isolation: the wicks following a triangle.
isolation: the staffs making a triangle.


"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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mcp
mcp

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Posted:I made more pictures;

wicks tracing a box:


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hands:


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wicks:


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"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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simian
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Posted:oooh cool

of course, you could do that "box wicks" pattern with a true antispin circle rather than a curvy diamond, just like you pointed out with the "cross wicks" pattern


"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."

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Posted:and mr cantus, you can tell tobi that munky says 3-point or 5-point antispin is equal in validity to 4-point antispin, and greater in difficulty.

"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."

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Posted:I'll have to draw a picture of the curvy diamond cross anti-spin in order to understand that. Does it depend on the size of the pattern in relation to the staff?

"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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coleman
coleman

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Posted:meg - both methods of shape isolation are related to staff length.



the main difference being that the longarm versions depend on your arm length in relation to the staff length/pattern too.



"to get the isolation to work in both dimensions (horizontal and vertical) using a long arm circle, it is necessary for your stick to be *exactly* twice the length of your arm (from shoulder to palm)."



smile





cole. x


"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood

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simian
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Posted:*temporarily distracted by a shiny pebble, monkey veers the conversation off course at a tangent, dangerously close to the muddy ditch...*

I was thinking... it'd be nice to have a short-form verb for:
"rotating an object and manipulating the centre-of-rotation in such a way as to produce strange, interesting or startling patterns."

cos at the moment people are often using "anti-spin", which is really quite a particular definition, and doesn't cut it. Particularly if you're not manipulating the centre in a circle in the first place.

something related to the op-art movement would be fitting, as the aesthetics of anti-spinny business are very similar.

we have to think about this carefully.
It can have TERRIBLE ramifications if a bad name is chosen.
For example, see "Wibbling"
*shudder*


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