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Doc Lightning
GOLD Member since May 2001

Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA

Total posts: 13920
Posted:I wonder how many HOPers were raised speaking two languages.



My parents were much older (43 and 56) when I was born and had a housekeeper who lived with us. She was from Spain. Tina is a part of our family, although no money has exchanged hands in decades. Her birthday is tomorrow.



She gave me the greatest gift you can ever give a child: a language. On my mother's request, Tina never used a word of English with me. I speak Spanish as a first language. But I was raised and educated in English. I love English as a language and I love its fluidity and its elegance. Maybe this is why I love listening to people speaking foreign languages.



But even though I love English, I think Spanish is among the most beautiful, elegantly simple, poetic, musical languages in the world. And I love listening to it, using it, and thinking in it. It's as good for love poetry as it is for the bible as it is for screaming curses at someone as fast as you can. It is so...complete as a lanuage.



Stand near me when I'm counting and you'll hear una, doh, trh.. (I have a variant Extremeo accent; I don't pronounce my final s). It catches other Spanish-speakers completely off-guard because I don't look remotely the type. Imagine an older indian man in indian garb busting out in a perfect Somerset accent. It just doesn't fit the appearance.



I woke up this morning and ordered coffee from the Mexican lady at the bakery, asked after her kids, cooed over her latest baby pictures (I'm trying to get her to start bringing her kids to me). And then I spent the day among Spanish-speakers, A Colombian, three Spaniards, three or four Puerto Ricans, and two Dominicans. I used Spanish with reckless abandon, I used it with cashiers knowing that they'd never accuse me of being a racist gringo for presuming they couldn't speak English, I laughed in Spanish, joked in Spanish, flirted in Spanish, and let's just say that I have a soft-spot for men who speak Spanish as a first language. redface



Are there other bilingual HOPers? What languages do you speak? How did you learn them? What language do you use to think? Which is your favorite language? I don't know if non-bilingual HOPers get this passion for language that I do...or if other bilingual ones do.


-Mike )'(
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella

"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura

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Pele
BRONZE Member since Dec 2000

Pele

the henna lady
Location: WNY, USA

Total posts: 6193
Posted:Envie, sort of. I find that sometimes I am signing with what I say. While most people will excuse it as crazy hand gestures, it happens and it gets me fun looks too! wink

Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK

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Doc Lightning
GOLD Member since May 2001

Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA

Total posts: 13920
Posted:Sign language is my favorite language in the world. I love watching people use it, but it's rude to stare...

-Mike )'(
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella

"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura

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Medusa
BRONZE Member since Nov 2003

Medusa

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Location: 8 days at Cloudbreak, 6 in Per...

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Posted:I love watching people do American Sign language it is all one handed.....



Australian and Bristish is two handed and it is a lot different.



I learnt how to do Australian Sign Language at College but never had need to use it till on my flight back to Oz there was a deaf couple on our flight...we got delayed in Brunei....



So every time they announced something about our flight I made a point of going over and informing this couple of the changes....they were very grateful to me for it....and it made me feel like I had done my good deed for the day! biggrin


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PK_
BRONZE Member since Dec 2001

PK_

Lambretta Fanatic


Total posts: 4993
Posted:is sign language different in italian than english or does it all mean the same?

i was thinking this a few months ago when i saw two people singing to each other in the market in the city.


PK.

"To be an angel, one need not have wings.
In giving love there is an equal grace.
Nor need one seek the aura in the face,
As love unveils the beauty of all things."

*Francois Couperin.

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Rouge Dragon
BRONZE Member since Jul 2003

Rouge Dragon

Insert Champagne Here
Location: without class distinction

Total posts: 13215
Posted:sign languages are different in each language.

and interestingly enough, so is braille!


i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...

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Flamez
BRONZE Member since Jun 2006

Flamez

member
Location: Cape Town The Mother City

Total posts: 56
Posted:I can speak four languages!!! Never even realized it until i read this thread, thanx doc!!

First language - Afrikaans (I stay in South Africa, and my father is afrikaans)
First language - Engish (Well had it as a first language at school, and it is the language of most of my friends)
First language - Dutch (My mother was born in the Netherlands, and it is the only language my gran can speak)
Seccond language - Xhosa (Well i stay in Africa might as well learn an African language lol)

I would love to be able to speak Italian, it sounds lovely(I dont understand a word except for a few swearwords).
The other language i would love to speak fluantly is German, ive sat in the company of Germans and just the way the words roll out of ther mouths sounds magical.With my Dutch background i can make out what they say, but only if they speak slowly.

Strangest thing of all, Afrikaans and Dutch is almost alike, but if i was speaking Dutch for a while i have real difficulty switching back to Afrikaans, i keep confusing it with English!! ubbloco


"My mind not only wanders, sometimes it leaves completely."

"Insanity is my only means of relaxation."

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Rouge Dragon
BRONZE Member since Jul 2003

Rouge Dragon

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Location: without class distinction

Total posts: 13215
Posted:how do you go with speaking Xhosa with the clicks? can you actually produce them correctly? Or because it's not your native language do you have trouble differentiating the soounds?

i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...

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Flamez
BRONZE Member since Jun 2006

Flamez

member
Location: Cape Town The Mother City

Total posts: 56
Posted:Its actually simple, theres only three different clicks.

Once you know them it becomes seccond nature.
When i was very little we had a maid that taught me Xhosa.I am very thankfull for that, cause in SA we have 11 official languages, and i only know of three that dont use the clicks, afrikaans, english and zulu.

The best when i go to the garage to fill up the car, i speak to the petrol attendant in Xhosa. You should see their expressions!!! Here is this white girl, driving around in this lanie car(my dad's) and she is actualy speaking their native language!!


"My mind not only wanders, sometimes it leaves completely."

"Insanity is my only means of relaxation."

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Rouge Dragon
BRONZE Member since Jul 2003

Rouge Dragon

Insert Champagne Here
Location: without class distinction

Total posts: 13215
Posted:yeah, if you had a maid who spoke it to you, that would make it possibly for you to be able to understand the differences.
*will stop analysing your linguistical ability now* tongue


i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...

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rhi_b

member
Location: lampeter, wales

Total posts: 51
Posted:i was born in wales and went to a welsh school so was taught welsh as my first language but we all speak english at home so ye biggrin

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OrangeBobo
SILVER Member since Nov 2003

OrangeBobo

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Location: Guelph, ON, Canada

Total posts: 1389
Posted:First language is English, learned Canadian school system French, which is to say quite little, and then lost all my french to German. Now my German is going because I simply don't use it. Ever. It's sad, but it's getting to the point where I'm reluctant to use it for fear of how bad it's gotten!!

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Firetramp


Firetramp

old hand
Location: Binstead, Isle of Wight

Total posts: 896
Posted:Was brought up in Dutch and French. Father only spoke Dutch to me, mother only French. Used to speak Arabic when I was little, from our holidays in Morocco but I forgot most of it except the basics. I started learning English when I was six. Had German and Spanish at school but I'm not really fluent in those. I'd love to learn Portuguese.

Ask a question and be a fool for a minute...don't ask and be a fool your whole life.

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Doc Lightning
GOLD Member since May 2001

Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA

Total posts: 13920
Posted:I'm jealous of Firetramp.

-Mike )'(
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella

"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura

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Birgit
BRONZE Member since Jan 2005

Birgit

had her carpal tunnel surgery already thanks v much
Location: Edinburgh

Total posts: 4145
Posted:heh, I just woke up from a dream in which I spoke German but with English grammar ubblol

"vices are like genitals - most are ugly to behold, and yet we find that our own are dear to us."
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Loewan
BRONZE Member since Aug 2005

Loewan

and behold!
Location: Liverpool

Total posts: 464
Posted:I can speak basic English and am quite fluent in Chinese (Cantonese). I really should get good on Mandarian (another Chinese dialect) since most Chinese speak that and it would really come in handy if I ever want to visit China.

I am also dying for a third language. Was thinking about German because of its Viking root. Welsh sounds like an interesting language because of its Celtic heritage and Spain is another widely spoken language so that would be nice to know as well.


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Richee
BRONZE Member since Jan 2002

HOP librarian
Location: Prague

Total posts: 1841
Posted:Nekdy se mi zda, ze anglictinu ovladam daleko lepe,

nez cestinu, svuj jazyk matersky.



svetlo,



:R


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Doc Lightning
GOLD Member since May 2001

Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA

Total posts: 13920
Posted:I suppose it would be terribly ironic of me to ask for an English translation? wink

Had a very English day today. Not a single friggin' word of Spanish except that I have my computer and phone set to Spanish.


-Mike )'(
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella

"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura

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Mr Majestik
SILVER Member since Mar 2004

Mr Majestik

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Location: home of the tiney toothy bear

Total posts: 4693
Posted:does that mean you read hop in spanish? confused

"but have you considered there is more to life than your eyelids?"

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Birgit
BRONZE Member since Jan 2005

Birgit

had her carpal tunnel surgery already thanks v much
Location: Edinburgh

Total posts: 4145
Posted:hahaha!

Think of some of the really badly spelt txtspeak-posts with no punctuation put through a Spanish translator ubblol

nah, it means your menus are in Spanish, and if the computer tells you there is a problem and it'd like to shut down it'll do it in Spanish


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Mr Majestik
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Mr Majestik

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Posted:oh, how unamazing.

"but have you considered there is more to life than your eyelids?"

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Doc Lightning
GOLD Member since May 2001

Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA

Total posts: 13920
Posted: Written by: Mr Majestik


does that mean you read hop in spanish? confused



No no no. But for example, instead of "File," "Edit," "View" my menus are "Archivo," "Edicin," "Vizualizacin," etc.


-Mike )'(
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella

"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura

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Mr Majestik
SILVER Member since Mar 2004

Mr Majestik

coming to a country near you
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Total posts: 4693
Posted:indeedy, we already cleared that up wink

"but have you considered there is more to life than your eyelids?"

jointly owned by Fire_Spinning_Angel and Blu_Valley

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Doc Lightning
GOLD Member since May 2001

Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA

Total posts: 13920
Posted:So I had a very Spanish weekend. BF and I went to see "PAN'S LABRYNTH" on Friday night. The movie is from Spain and it was so refreshing to hear my own accent being spoken. Highly recommend it: watch out beacuse it gets a bit gory in bits. Then last night we went to see a play completely in Spanish (English Supertitles, but they were at such an angle that I really couldn't read them even if I'd needed to). It's called "En Un Sol Amarillo" ("In a Yellow Sun") about the Bolivian earthquake of 1998. Then we went for Spanish food. And then I dreamed in Spanish.

-Mike )'(
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella

"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura

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Pele
BRONZE Member since Dec 2000

Pele

the henna lady
Location: WNY, USA

Total posts: 6193
Posted: Written by: Medusa


I love watching people do American Sign language it is all one handed.....





I was just rereading this on the bump (thanks Mike and sounds like a good weekend! I've been jonesing for Paella and that made it worst! lol) and I read this statement and confused


Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK

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SaBBaS


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Location: Madrid, Spain

Total posts: 215
Posted:My father is german, my mother is swedish and i live in spain smile its a shame i didnt accept my mother speaking swedish to me, because i had only heard her speak german before, so she didnt sound like my mum to me... but i learned swedish after i finished school, im not perfect, but i can have a decent conversation (i think wink ) my english isnt bad either, but for that i have to than Monty Python wink
i went to a german school in madrid, where all the classes were in german, except the spanish lessons smile
i took a french course for one year, but it got mixed up with my swedish, so now i only speak "false" french with a friend when we're drunk biggrin
i usually think in spanish, but when i have to count in pairs i do it in german smile
my gf says i dream in german, cause when i speak in my dreams she doesnt understand me (which could always be good)
mike: pans labyrinth is a great movie! i loved it, but the gory parts were a bit too much for my gf rolleyes


Don't you destroy your enemy by making him your friend?? - Rev Bem (Magog), Andromeda

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SaBBaS


enthusiast
Location: Madrid, Spain

Total posts: 215
Posted:oooooh, and i sooooooo want to learn sign language!!! i love the way it looks, and ive got two friends who know it, so i could practice. i think it would come REALLY handy in any pub with loud music smile
its really a shame its not the same all over the world, and at least in madrid, not even in different schools... frown


Don't you destroy your enemy by making him your friend?? - Rev Bem (Magog), Andromeda

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