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Written by: Brit_JoeWritten by: NYCWritten by: Birgit
right... that's just ridiculous. 1 rocket and Israel invades the country?
ONE rocket?!? Wow, the BBC is worse than I thought!
Unfortunatly the british media isnt terribly good in my opinion.
"vices are like genitals - most are ugly to behold, and yet we find that our own are dear to us."
(G.W. Dahlquist)
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Written by: Brit_Joe
Oh and I forgot to mention, Isreal by using force when provoked has undoudtidly stopped numerouse attacks from happening against its people through fear of what the Isrealy army is capable of and is willing to do to those who provoke it. If Isreal had laid down they would have sufferd countless more attacks. Its human nature you avoid what you fear.
Written by: andrealee
Still trying to understand why you guys think it is a show of strength/defense for Isreal to have have responded to Hezbollas terrorists tactics by bombing Lebanon. The part that I dont get is why you would think it will work to stop the terrorism. If the people can evacuate, so can the terrorists. The terrorist organizations probably have more resources for escape at their disposal, and perhaps even plans to that effect. So they are unlikely to be wiped out, or even broken down all that much. Goal unaccomplished, the terrorists live.
Meanwhile, Lebanon is being destroyed. Civilians killed. I mean, do you think the terrorists care about the Lebanese civilians, the infrastructure and their homes? Care sufficiently to change their behaviour? Somehow I do not think so. If they are willing to use the civilians as shields they obviously dont have any compunction against getting them killed.
So with this recent attack Isreal sends the message: provoke us, and we will viciously attack a bunch of people you dont really give a f--ck about? Whats that supposed to do?
And the continuing terror breeds more terrorists, so not only is the problem not solved, it is compounded.
How is this reasonable response?
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
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"Last of The Lancers"
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Written by: Doc
Here is the actual situation. The guerillas/terrorists HIDE IN CIVILIAN HOMES. This is a very cowardly and underhanded tactic because it gives the enemy a choice between hitting civilian targets or not fighting at all and letting the guerillas/terrorists continue to attack.
After much consideration, I find that the view is worth the asphyxiation.
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Written by: Sethis
My solution would be similar to God's. "If you can't agree on who has it, then no-one has it." Give everyone 1 month to evacuate then nuke the entire area. Wipe it out.
Maybe that would stop the fighting.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
Written by: onewheeldave
I ask again, if the terrorists were hiding, not in Lebanon, but in US/UK cities, would you all feel that Israel was justified in bombing London/New York.
Would you all feel as complacent and accepting, if it was your mother/father/sister/brother who had ben killed in a Israeli bombing attack.
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
Written by: Stone
The bottom line is that the Israelis is just as bad as Hezbollah.
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
Written by: Doc LightningWritten by: onewheeldave
I ask again, if the terrorists were hiding, not in Lebanon, but in US/UK cities, would you all feel that Israel was justified in bombing London/New York.
Would you all feel as complacent and accepting, if it was your mother/father/sister/brother who had ben killed in a Israeli bombing attack.
They're NOT hiding in London or New York, are they? They aren't hiding there because our countries wouldn't allow such nonsense to begin in the first place. We would root out terrorist cells and stop them before it came to something like this.
And if Lebanon had been doing its job and rooting out Hezbollah terrorists, rather than tacitly allowing this, then this wouldn't be happening to them, now, would it?
I will point out that both Egypt and Jordan border Israel, as well. They seem to have been doing an excellent job of not allowing terrorists to use their countries as a staging ground for attacks against Israel. And they, unlike Lebanon, would COOPERATE with Israel if such attacks were to occur and would work to approach the problem from within their own borders.
The difference here is that the Lebanese government ALLOWED this, whether explicitly or not (and no doubt there were underhanded dealings between Hezbollah and the official Lebanese government).
And if the US or UK allowed terrorist attacks against Israel to be launched from within their own borders then I would 1) be leaving the country ASAP and 2) be helping the invasion of the US/UK.
Except that's not the case and won't forseeably be the case, will it?
Written by: onewheeldave
I ask again, if the terrorists were hiding, not in Lebanon, but in US/UK cities, would you all feel that Israel was justified in bombing London/New York.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
Written by: onewheeldave
Nevertheless, those civilian innocents are currently facing that carnage and, yes, as you say, their government may have been negligent in their approach to terrorists hiding, but IMO, the actions of an individuals government shouldn't mean that they die.
Written by: onewheeldave
I ask again, if the terrorists were hiding, not in Lebanon, but in US/UK cities, would you all feel that Israel was justified in bombing London/New York.
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
Written by: Stone
Yes really! Wot the Israelis arn't killing innocent people and bombing UN observers?
To people on the outside, both sides are just as bad as each other.
Anh whot about this :
The Israelis are 100 per cent using chemical weapons.
Lebanese President Emile Lahoud has repeatedly accused Israel of using phosphorus bombs in its offensive.
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"We are sending off samples tomorrow, but we have no confirmation yet that illegal weapons have been used,"
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
"God *was* my co-pilot, but then we crashed, and I had to eat him..."
Written by: andrealee
Surely you know the difference between the military; which is created from, for and by the citizens of a country, is responsive to the directives of that nation, and responsible under international law, and a group terrorists that represent only a small sector of a society, and have no respect for the laws of that nation or the world?
Hezbolla is only one small, though very agressive, part of that nation.
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
"God *was* my co-pilot, but then we crashed, and I had to eat him..."
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
Written by: Stone
You don’t even know why Israel started this battel, yet you continue to assert that Israel is innocent, and it’s all Hezbollah’s fault, and they won’t fight fair etc. etc.
kyrian: I've felt your finger connect with me many times
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"vices are like genitals - most are ugly to behold, and yet we find that our own are dear to us."
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Written by: Stone
Lightning, the only lie here is that Israel, can in any way, justify their violence.
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
Written by: Birgit
Doc, just to clarify, you would actually say Hezbollah = Lebanese army?
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
Written by: Stone
You don’t even know why Israel started this battel, yet you continue to assert that Israel is innocent, and it’s all Hezbollah’s fault, and they won’t fight fair etc. etc.
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
"God *was* my co-pilot, but then we crashed, and I had to eat him..."
Written by: lightning
So yeah, it's terrible. Awful. And nobody here has suggested a viable alternative.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
Written by: sethis
Are you willing to blow up a house with 4 children, 2 women and 1 terrorist inside? Is that a price worth paying? That's the decision that the terrorist tactic forces on you. What would you decide?
Written by: doc lightning
I'm just sad that so many people have watched the Lebanese essentially slaughter their own through inaction and then blame Israel for it (well, what did they think the IDF was going to do? They shoot rockets, raid, and then act surprised when the IDF comes down on them like a ton of bricks?)
So yeah, it's terrible. Awful. And nobody here has suggested a viable alternative.
Written by: sagetree
i have an alternative: DONT KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE
Instead they chose to play into the terrorist game by killing civilians just like the hezbollah seems to have wanted. now the world is a bit more confused on who the bad guys are. i am confused most of the time about war because i don't understand why people hate so much.
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
Written by: andrealee
It is sort of like saying the government of the USA allowed the bombing of the twin towers... tacitly supported it even... by arrangement or agreement... after all, did they not have some advance warning of such a plan? Why did they not stop it? Or the bombings in the London subway system- that was even by their own citizens, wasn't it?
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
Written by: sagetree
the only solution i can suggest would be in agreement with onewheeldave and move Israel. However i don't think the people of Israel would accept this offer, unfortunatley.
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
Written by: onewheeldave
I ask again, if the terrorists were hiding, not in Lebanon, but in US/UK cities, would you all feel that Israel was justified in bombing London/New York.
Would you all feel as complacent and accepting, if it was your mother/father/sister/brother who had ben killed in a Israeli bombing attack.
If terrorists using Muslim civilians as shields justifies Israeli killings, then why wouldn't them operating in UK/US citizens justify similar attacks?
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]
Written by: Doc LightningWritten by: sagetree
i have an alternative: DONT KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE
Instead they chose to play into the terrorist game by killing civilians just like the hezbollah seems to have wanted. now the world is a bit more confused on who the bad guys are. i am confused most of the time about war because i don't understand why people hate so much.
And do WHAT about the rockets sailing across the border killing Israeli civilians?
You keep on avoiding that bit.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]
There's too many home fires burning and not enough trees
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