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Written by: simianWritten by: Doc Lightning
But when the mortars are coming from miles behind enemy lines, you have an issue with getting the IDF troops in there.
That is exactly the attitude toward modern warfare that creates so much more collateral damage.
We can't risk our soldiers in a mission behind enemy lines. Lets use some 'precision' explosives and kill some enemy civilians instead.
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
Written by: Doc Lightning
Dave, you raise a good point. In my opinion, Israel should never have been put where it is.
Unfortunately, it's too late. Israel is there. It has a huge GDP per capita (I think in the top 30) and it's been there for 3-4 generations now. So that's not a real solution, although I'd love to see it.
Besides, where would you put them? I can't think of a single place that would welcome the entire population of Israel wandering in and setting up shop.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]
Written by: Doc Lightning
Israel has sent their special forces (among the best in the world) in to do this sort of thing. Even in these situations, innocent civilians still get caught in the line of fire (a few years ago, there was a very highly publicised case of a child getting shot by an errant Israeli sniper).
"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
Written by: onewheeldaveWritten by: NYC
So as long as terrorists have innocent kids duct taped to them they should have free reign?
And if the terrorists are using kids to protect them while they kill larger numbers of children then what? Let them kill the kids because we don't want to hurt the kids?
I think I've explained my views on this as well as i can in my previous posts.
It's easy to construct bizarre examples about terrorists duct taping Palestinian babies and a bomb to themselves, then running into a group of Israeli babies which is one baby bigger than the number of babies duct taped to the terrorist etc.
Anyone seriously interested in my views on this issue, or seriosly interested in debating them with me, can examine my previous posts where I've stated them in some detail, tried to anticipate reaslistic critisisms and then addressed them.
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
Written by: NYC
I'll play the part of the American and ingorantly propose the "domino theory" defense.
If terrorists blow stuff up and Israel "retreats" to New Jersey, isn't that incentive to keep blowing stuff up to gain other territories?
Written by: NYC
I'll play the part of the American and ingorantly propose the "domino theory" defense.
If terrorists blow stuff up and Israel "retreats" to New Jersey, isn't that incentive to keep blowing stuff up to gain other territories?
Written by: NYC
I know that Israel is not the only sticking point. I don't actually believe that if Israel packed up and left the region would be any better off (I think the Israelis might but not the region.) But on this note I will admit my ignorance and move on.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
Written by: faithinfire
excuse me, you think that the situations mentioned are bizarre...they aren't, these sort of things are happening
but those are bizarre situations that would never happen
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
Written by: faithinfire
mothers holding babies and then pulling out a rifle
Written by: faithinfire
please note i did not say which side
"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
Written by: Yell fire!
This is interesting because I've searched quite a bit but haven't managed to find any articles on Palestinian militants using civilians as human shields, just reports on Israeli soldiers using Palestinians as human shields.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
Written by: NYC
I used a website called google to find this source.
Written by: OWD
Additionally, I feel that the current unification amongst diverse extremist muslim factions would quickly dissolve with the removal of what they see as an enemy they all hate.
He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.
Nietzsche
Written by: onewheeldaveWritten by: Doc Lightning
Dave, you raise a good point. In my opinion, Israel should never have been put where it is.
Unfortunately, it's too late. Israel is there. It has a huge GDP per capita (I think in the top 30) and it's been there for 3-4 generations now. So that's not a real solution, although I'd love to see it.
Besides, where would you put them? I can't think of a single place that would welcome the entire population of Israel wandering in and setting up shop.
Isn't it worth exploring the option though, given the impossibility of the current situation and the lack of hope for the forseeable future.
We both seem to agree that a Middle East location, with the benefit of hindsight, was not a good choice (and I recognise that that's in the past and we can't change the past).
I've argued in this thread that if israel continues with its current defence policies, that peace in the future is unlikely to happen and that peace in the present is definitly not going to happen.
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
Written by: Yell fire!Written by: NYC
I used a website called google to find this source.
Slight difference between people voluntarily acting as shields to protect others and being held hostage at gunpoint and forced to act as shields.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]
Written by: NYC
Indeed. If they're volunteering then they're active participants and valid targets.
"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
Written by: NYC
Indeed. If they're volunteering then they're active participants and valid targets.
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
Written by: Doc Lightning
I don't understand how people can be so against a country defending itself against terrorism.
Written by: Yell fire!Written by: Doc Lightning
I don't understand how people can be so against a country defending itself against terrorism.
I guess you don't understand because for some reason you cannot differentiate between terrorists attacking innocent people minding their own business in their own country, and an oppressed and brutalised population attacking an occupying population that is directly responsible for that oppression and brutalisation.
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
Written by: NYC
If this is true it's practically duct tape.
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
Love is the law.
Written by: ado-p
I thought that they were defending themselves?
Isnt that what you do when someone invades?
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
Written by: Doc Lightning
The *ONLY* valid justification for violence, in my opinion, is defense.
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